👍 Instead of using #EmissionRights to fight #climatechange or to dream of carbon capture as a fix. There will be a time we will have to directly (!) restrict and regulate extraction.
Part of me hopes one day , in the distant future I can be some ancient old dude with a tiny vial of the stuff and be like "And this kids, Is what almost killed all of us."
That's not capture, that's conservation. And even if humans don't touch it, other things can do.
There are known cases where fossils burn up underground and escape for various ofreasons, only some of the are human actions (like so-called Hell's Gate - Darvaza). High pressures, voclanic activity...
This is high-end understanding. We could just have had 100s, 1000s, or 1m people chilling peacefully if we would have bucked up and decimated the predators amongst us. We all return to dirt, or some variation.
That tech doesn't actually capture carbon, it's just carbon neutral. But check out this highly advanced self replicating carbon capture technology that also produces food and stops erosion!
someone sent me this recently, which is such a good illustration of why humour in particular is so inaccessible to generative AI systems, even in plain text format.
The thing people don't seem to get is that the system itself (social and material reenforcements and feedbacks) needs to reward doing this, or it's simply not going to happen that way.
That is the only type of Carbon Capture and Sequestration that works. Importantly you don’t need the super expensive, uneconomicand very difficult sequestration part so it’s much more simple to make it work.
There is probably some fossil fuels now being left in the ground due to the current price levels. If we could only lower price levels further by lowering demand, more and more will be left in the ground.
yea, that's the amusing part of the mango man's energy "dominance" plans. american oil production is expensive & not just bc of regs, yet he wants to get the price of oil down below the point where american companies can profit.
If a company is dumping toxic waste, and the government makes them pay to clean it up, is that "taxes"?
Carbon taxes serve to charge a company for the damage they do to the common. Tech is part of the solution, but making sure that the real cost of fossil fuels is realized is also practical.
You think? We Are using more oil, more gas in the World today than ever before.
We have tried taxing, but it keeps relocationing the problem. Countries That where low co2 Are now High,and the others have dropped little to nothing. Think China.
While I’m definitely not opposed to batteries, grid scale tech that’s existed for DECADES and performs well needs to be expanded, not just the new hotness.
I’m looking at you, pumped hydro.
I agree though, it is definitely a solvable problem.
While pumped storage is expanding, somewhat, it's a technology that has fundamental limits in terms of suitable natural sites. Gravity based storage (hydro or solid mass) in artificial sites is rapidly being outpaced by batteries in both cost and efficiency.
A viable alternative solution are Small Modular Reactors (SMRs) that can be deploy near large consumers such as data centers. Or conversion of coal-fired power plants to nuclear by using the existing electrical infrastructure, both are commercial playground to bring back nuclear!
What is the plan for getting steel, cement and nitrogen fertiliser. All these industries are huge energy hogs and life would suck with out them. Electric cars and heating our homes with something other than NG is a vert incomplete sol'n.
If these are viable free enterprise will try them out, however the media is always suggesting miracle sol'ns ignoring the short comings so they can consider themselves smarter than industry and the gov't.
Free enterprise very rarely tries out experimental techniques without outside support. Especially in this case, where most of the negative effects are externalities.
That being said, everything I mentioned is a current development program by industrial players. (Usually with gov support).
Canada is powered largely by energies which don't produce greenhouse gasses.
Only 18% of our energy is produced from coal, natural gas, or biomass. Most of that is from only a couple provinces, like Alberta and New Brunswick.
Of the three largest provinces, BC and Ontario are 8%, and Québec is >1%.
You can scale that up by having 10 people say that same thing about the same fossil fuels and each one telling someone else they were gonna not leave it there, generating 10x the carbon offsets. Game set and match climate change
This reminds me of a comic strip I read in 1970 in a comic called last gasp Eco funnies. The text went.: if you want to save America, pick it up, turn it upside down, scrape the shit off of it, and give it back to the Indians. You’ll be glad you did.
‘No country would find 173 billion barrels of oil and just leave it,’ but who would leave all that sunshine untouched? 🌞 Turns out, one’s a limited resource, the other is limitless. Time to rethink our energy choices. #RenewableEnergy #FutureThinking
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the UN needs to see this NOW
now store it in the ground!
you're doing great!
Good job!
I'm proud of you!
pat*pat*
There are known cases where fossils burn up underground and escape for various ofreasons, only some of the are human actions (like so-called Hell's Gate - Darvaza). High pressures, voclanic activity...
Surely we won't be subsidising miners to not mine (although I do remember EU farmers being paid to not farm).
https://bsky.app/profile/twimprine.bsky.social/post/3lbigw5oq3k2e
The third world doesn’t need to be developed… you’re right!
Cause this sketch didnt unneccesarily drain resources and still got the point perfectly across.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/18kzu6d/gpt_4_attempts_farsidelike_comics/?rdt=63932
"Nature invented the perfect form of carbon sequestration, it's called oil, coal, and shale. And it should be left in the ground.
Now do medicine, food, and transportation.
Great work here🏆
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFGfV-4wdX0
Not burning fossil fuels isn’t enough, we have to have more clean energy and make fossils cleaner too, no?
That is the ONLY way to quit oil. Make BETTER,cheaper,solutions.
Like nuclear.
But not by force and taxes! By tech!
Carbon taxes serve to charge a company for the damage they do to the common. Tech is part of the solution, but making sure that the real cost of fossil fuels is realized is also practical.
We have tried taxing, but it keeps relocationing the problem. Countries That where low co2 Are now High,and the others have dropped little to nothing. Think China.
Tax in US relocates production.
Law of nature
There are some issues with baseload as well but a long way to go until we maximise solar usage!
I’m looking at you, pumped hydro.
I agree though, it is definitely a solvable problem.
Nature does carbon capture best.
https://afry.com/en/competence/green-steel
Concrete will probably be a net emitter, but it can be reduced sharply, and natural carbon cycles can handle some.
https://afry.com/en/competence/green-steel
And custom nitrogen fixing bacteria.
That being said, everything I mentioned is a current development program by industrial players. (Usually with gov support).
There is genius in simplicity.
Only 18% of our energy is produced from coal, natural gas, or biomass. Most of that is from only a couple provinces, like Alberta and New Brunswick.
Of the three largest provinces, BC and Ontario are 8%, and Québec is >1%.
“I found oil, but instead of burning it we’re just gonna leave it there. I’d like my carbon credits please!”
Aust Govt: *hands over ACCUs*
“No country would just leave them in the ground”