NYT actually published this sentence, which asks us to take baseless moral panic bullshit seriously as a reasonable position. Supporters of the Holocaust considered Jews to be subhuman saboteurs of German society, too. So fucking what?? - ThreadSky | a Reddit-style client for Bluesky

johnbrooks.bsky.social • 9 hours ago

NYT actually published this sentence, which asks us to take baseless moral panic bullshit seriously as a reasonable position.

Supporters of the Holocaust considered Jews to be subhuman saboteurs of German society, too. So fucking what??

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joocifer.bsky.social•2 hours ago

On B.S. I've said that I think puberty blockers for minors is a bad idea both medically and as part of an overall chronological public strategy toward full trans acceptance.

I've been screamed at, called transphobic, and then blocked.

That's not 'talking' and it's embarrassingly anti-intellectual.

crissakentavr.bsky.social•5 minutes ago

The amount of time that someone is on hormone blockers is tiny, unless they've precocious puberty.

So the worry is nonsensical.

akillingword.bsky.social•32 minutes ago

Trans people did not ask for your opinion

mbletst.bsky.social•23 minutes ago

wow, you were called transphobic after you were transphobic? wild

davidquinn.oideachasmedia.com•5 hours ago

A wonderful pitch by the way

If your better then me you must be cheating

Very trump like

bentripp.bsky.social•8 hours ago

"We want to exterminate you." "We wish to live." NYT: Why can't trans people compromise?

quijohn.bsky.social•5 hours ago

So much for the tolerant left

venividigrizzly.bsky.social•7 hours ago

Jews also less than 1 percent of Nazi Germany

dgoldman.bsky.social•7 hours ago

Would have been fine if they said "incorrectly consider" or something I suppose.

honoriavalemon.bsky.social•8 hours ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/20/magazine/trans-athletes-women-college-sports.html?unlocked_article_code=1.BE8.vsB9.IThdmxCTHjkI&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

passeriform.bsky.social•8 hours ago

Certainly helping me Stay Strong in having cancelled my account.

camille-can-fly.bsky.social•7 hours ago

Appreciate you 🙌

posaune2.bsky.social•2 hours ago

The NYT has contributed so fully to the division, hate and polarization in the US. Knowingly contributed. And facilitated the election of a hateful, depraved administration.

janehalldesign.bsky.social•7 hours ago

Harvard did a study on the #’s of trans people, how many kids were taking gender affirming care
Trans adults 1.3 million
Trans youth 300,000
Hormone Replacement 1926
Puberty Blockers 925
Trans in sports 10 out the 525,000 in college
Five in high schools

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theotherline.bsky.social•6 hours ago

I don't give a shit if bigots are acting in good-faith or not. It is just another sin in the burning heap of shit modern moral panic psychoses are.

danifroom.bsky.social•8 hours ago

https://bsky.app/profile/danifroom.bsky.social/post/3lnanpjqugc22

chris-george-alex.bsky.social•8 hours ago

TBH they lost me at a tension between fairness and inclusion.

camille-can-fly.bsky.social•7 hours ago

Yes, that's when my eyes rolled so hard I saw back in time. And then they kept going as I read the rest and now I've seen the extinction of the dinosaurs.

chris-george-alex.bsky.social•7 hours ago

k9crone420.bsky.social•8 hours ago

We are so dumbed down these days, with all this two sidesism. No nuance, but also no firm stand on basic human decency.

a-shaukat.bsky.social•8 hours ago

Thank you for thinking about this text critically.

oliverkoeln.bsky.social•7 hours ago

So, NYT, we ought to extend grace towards people who consider transpeople to be perverts?

theotherjim.bsky.social•4 hours ago

I suppose Jason Zengerle believe's there's some "room to give" or "grace to extend" between the positions of "you're a pervert" and "I'm just a normal human being." Perhaps he has in mind some 3/5ths compromise that will achieve peace all around?

camille-can-fly.bsky.social•3 hours ago

OOP

webrant.bsky.social•7 hours ago

A recurring position for the NYT as they have historically taken the same scapegoating enabling stance whenever fascism arises again in America.

Due to it being a strategy for control by concentrated capital interests.

https://bsky.app/profile/johnbrooks.bsky.social/post/3lnarrcehss2j

boinkofscience.bsky.social•8 hours ago

"while supporters suggested without evidence that Jews are human beings" is how the NYT would finish that sentence

ed4words.bsky.social•8 hours ago

Whoever wrote that is both incredibly lazy and hacky.

arthuragain.bsky.social•7 hours ago

And they framed the anti-trans bigots who have smeared trans people in the press and led to hundreds of anti-trans statutes all over the country as, "those who hesitate or have questions".

This paragraph clearly takes a position.

And it's foul and dishonest.

digitaldinosaur.bsky.social•31 minutes ago

Woe, woe, to the unreasonable, who will not gift grace to those who insist they are degenerates.

dirtypoolfilms.bsky.social•6 hours ago

No it doesn’t. It clearly is drawing the divide between the extremist arguments to illustrate how hard middle ground is to find amid the noise

birdcom.bsky.social•6 hours ago

if you think allowing trans people onto sports teams is "extreme" (or that being against it isn't a pipeline to or the tip of the iceberg of further transphobia) then lmao

sundawstudio.bsky.social•5 hours ago

"Trans people are predators" and "No they're not" are the two extremist sides, dude? You think we should find a middle ground between those two extremes?

Close this website and stew in your shame in a darkened room for 12 hours before you think of replying.

camille-can-fly.bsky.social•3 hours ago

I'm gonna use that last bit a lot going forward 😂

jessdee.bsky.social•9 hours ago

The next line is even better. "These people think this marginalized group are degenerates. The marginalized group think those people are bigots. Who could say? It's intractable!"

allhaileris.bsky.social•8 hours ago

Hang the entire @nytimes.com staff by their heels.

seatowngirl12.bsky.social•7 hours ago

This is how fascists take power - they “other” people to dehumanize them - it’s how other regimes got people on their side. It’s sick.

fricker.bsky.social•2 hours ago

Where does the NYT say that this is a reasonable position to take?

johnbrooks.bsky.social•2 hours ago

Maybe learn how to read in context?

fricker.bsky.social•2 hours ago

What is the context beyond presenting the views of each side of the argument? What am I missing?

bluewitchcassandra.bsky.social•25 minutes ago

Except that's not what it did. It presents the anti position, and it says that "supports of inclusion think those guys are bigots" without explaining what trans supporters think at all.

It's also not really a both sides thing when an anti-thing group campaigns on feelings to the neglect of science.

tristanbuckner.bsky.social•8 hours ago

Group A believes a bunch of bigoted things while group B thinks that makes them bigots.

texaskrusty.bsky.social•8 hours ago

It’s as if the GOP’s decades long homophobia never happened and shouldn’t be mentioned when discussing trans rights.

It couldn’t possibly be ‘bigots gonna bigot.’ No, we need to meet them halfway on whether trans people are human and pretend the bigots are making valid arguments.

acropoet.bsky.social•8 hours ago

You see, these people will endure all kind of stigmas just to win at sports. 🙄

mikefrburkecville.bsky.social•8 hours ago

Did they interview patrons at Whiteguy’s Diner in Caucasia, Ohio, for their thoughts? The hash whites there are excellent!

mrkhagol.bsky.social•8 hours ago

john oliver did an episode on this and it proved basically that all of this is just BS.
https://youtu.be/flSS1tjoxf0?si=MU5f3942omXWCEWw

fragnificentkw.bsky.social•8 hours ago

Since they buried the lede almost entirely in favor of the low hanging fruit of moral panic, I’ll leave this here:

SJSU went 12-6 in conference with 6 of those wins coming via forfeit. The only advantage Fleming provided was giving an otherwise mediocre team free wins via bigots being quitters

esandbeck.bsky.social•9 hours ago

This is terrifying. The NYT apparently wants to be neutral on the subject of the Fourth Reich.

bbqpanda.bsky.social•9 hours ago

They did it for the last one

esandbeck.bsky.social•8 hours ago

I didn't realize that. Thank you, I just looked up and read about it.

bbqpanda.bsky.social•8 hours ago

Yeah it’s real bad… they ran cover for the nazis BIG TIME.

Behind the Bastards did episodes on it, well worth a listen!

penguinguynz.bsky.social•7 hours ago

Wait until you hear about how they reported Soviet atrocities and Stalin.

crissakentavr.bsky.social•11 minutes ago

They didn't report 'even though a genocide happened, life expectancy rose' which was the actual centrist truth.

Which just underscores how bad life expectancy was before the USSR.

orionkidder.bsky.social•30 minutes ago

JFC. Do not "bothesides" *fascists*. It's not that hard.

madamairlock.bsky.social•7 hours ago

NYT: News you can trust...to ignore LGBTQ people, for decades, except when an argument comes up where they can paint them as "cheaters and perverts."

bkelsey91.bsky.social•8 hours ago

Doesn't the NYT leave an email for the reporter?

There's a few other things I'd like to give comments on

nicky9lives.bsky.social•22 minutes ago

New York Crimes

edmartin.bsky.social•9 hours ago

"One side thinks the other are cheaters and possibly perverts. Why aren't trans people willing to meet them halfway?"

isaacgantwerkmayer.bsky.social•7 hours ago

"why not murder half a million puppies"

morrisnormal.bsky.social•4 hours ago

I promise to only murder 250,000 puppies! I'm the lesser evil, you OWE ME your vote, leftists!

unitled.bsky.social•5 hours ago

"One side unreasonably holds a pejorative view of a group of people, and that group says they are bigots, these positions are equally bad"

sleepysharky.bsky.social•9 hours ago

They really insult us to our faces and expect us to thank them for it

stanton.bsky.social•9 hours ago

This is the Dao of bullies, after all.

thenoteheleft.bsky.social•4 hours ago

That's outrageous garbage.

johnbrooks.bsky.social•4 hours ago

Sure is!

thenoteheleft.bsky.social•4 hours ago

I know, I'm captain obvious.

bluestatedon.bsky.social•8 hours ago

These two men never fail to disappoint.

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dsz-1.bsky.social•4 hours ago

Says the party of actual pedophiles.

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ejemplo2.bsky.social•24 minutes ago

nyt is sad we don't have a US equality act to carve trans people out of

travbot.bsky.social•5 hours ago

They literally describe the bigotry of the ‘phobes, and in the next sentence say “and the other side thinks those people are all bigots” as though the bigots aren’t actually bigots

chibebe5.bsky.social•4 hours ago

These people have an obsession with sex that's why so many get caught doing sex crimes!

dracodare.bsky.social•3 hours ago

This is in desperate need of an /s

bradsteffen.bsky.social•7 hours ago

This editorial decision, and other, similar decisions, is *exactly why* I canceled my @nytimes.com subscription. This "news" is not fit to print.

#BrokenNYTimes

scottmellon.bsky.social•6 hours ago

Some support the space program, while others feel planets are flat disks and that all scientists are liars

dougom.bsky.social•6 hours ago

The bothsiderism of the Times and the Post has reached epic, galactic levels of absurdity.

camille-can-fly.bsky.social•3 hours ago

Galactic levels of absurdity is a beautiful phrase 🤌

dougom.bsky.social•1 hour ago

Thanks. I’m a professional writer! Don’t try this at home!

camille-can-fly.bsky.social•1 hour ago

Your warning is duly noted and immediately disregarded 😌

dougom.bsky.social•1 hour ago

🤌

sueunderh.bsky.social•7 hours ago

I hate how right wing bigotry is now the “other side.”

tryg72.bsky.social•6 hours ago

They are having a hard time understanding those people who hold that position. Other people seem to need to learn and you already have.

Similarly, look at all the people who keep being surprised and relearning that Trump doesn't respect the rule of law.

robbymack87.bsky.social•7 hours ago

I swear to fuck if I hadn't read that I'd never believe it was fit to print.

tattooed-thornback.bsky.social•8 hours ago

No one considers "biological male" athletes perverts despite some male athletes being convicted of rape and sexual assault but trans women are. Sound logic, NYT

averyronan.bsky.social•6 hours ago

It's the "The people baselessly calling you perverts are acting in good faith" for me.

johnbrooks.bsky.social•6 hours ago

But why can't you UNDERSTAND they GENUINELY believe it!?

johnbrooks.bsky.social•6 hours ago

12-year-old me was, as it turns out, correct to assume the NYT was a trash paper because it did not have a comics page.

grandpadavid.bsky.social•5 hours ago

Apart from the occasional David Brooks self-parody, of course.

johnbrooks.bsky.social•5 hours ago

#YesAllDavidBrookses

jsundman.bsky.social•6 hours ago

In the duplex household I grew up in (New Jersey, 1950's & 60's), my father read NYT & watched PBS only. Nana & Pop, his parents, read Newark Evening News (great comics page!) & watched cowboy shows & Mets baseball. I spent a lot of time in my grandparents' apartment.

johnbrooks.bsky.social•5 hours ago

🤣

finallynoelle.dems.social•9 hours ago

Possibly perverts…wtf NYT. God, they’re such scum.

biterabbit.bsky.social•3 hours ago

We got 10 million signatures to force Congress to impeach him before so it's doable.

This one has the best language thus far:

https://www.change.org/p/impeach-trump-2025-1bf4b352-848c-4bc0-9b5d-078a7b62605c?source_location=search

cephalopod.bsky.social•3 hours ago

if you keep meeting fascists at the half way point, guess where you'll eventually end up

jamnyc94.bsky.social•3 hours ago

A circle jerk of bullshit & fake “debate” at NYT that continues causing irrevocable harm to people only trying to live their damn lives- just so soulless ghouls & nepo whiners can feel special @ their next dinner party of faux intellectuals b/c they can’t hang w/ actual smart folks nor grasp empathy

jjofbc.bsky.social•8 hours ago

how the fuck am I supposed to extend grace to people who insist I am a pervert for simply existing. what the FUCK!!!??

camille-can-fly.bsky.social•7 hours ago

Love how "[think they're] cheaters and possibly perverts" is apparently equal to "[think they're] bigots." This is what happens when all viewpoints are considered equal. Idk when that became the case or if it was always that way and social media just amplified it but it sucks.

camille-can-fly.bsky.social•7 hours ago

Also, NYT can suck my b*lls.

emmy.baby•5 hours ago

I like how the line before that is basically saying "tragically both sides are unwilling to give each other's position a chance" and immediately follows it with "one side just straight up considers them cheats and perverts"

Like what is the inclusion side supposed to use from that? Some are cheats?