Alright... What are Musk and DOGE up to? What are they doing with the data they downloaded and the code they installed?
No one seems to know, so I'm opening this thread to speculation. I'll share possible answers that people offer below (look first if you don't want to repeat):
No one seems to know, so I'm opening this thread to speculation. I'll share possible answers that people offer below (look first if you don't want to repeat):
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Musk cares *deeply* about how he is perceived by others. It's why he insisted on getting concessions from Martin Eberhard to call himself a "founder" of Tesla even though he's not.
Much of this has been undone by his penchant for over-promising or under-delivering: full-self driving/autonomous cars; the cybertruck; the entire premise of the boring company; etc.
And then he can go on twitter and post about how he made all these cuts to the government to score internet points because he's a terminally online divorced dad.
What worries me is the alarming combination of hubris and stupidity. Musk has a penchant for leaping without looking and it absolutely wouldn't surprise me that they have gotten in way, way over their heads.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/01/30/curtis-yarvins-ideas-00201552
[NY Times:] Were you invited? “No. I'm an outsider, man. I'm an intellectual.”
#CurtisYarvin #NetworkState #autocracy #christofascism #DOGE #crypto
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/18/magazine/curtis-yarvin-interview.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/21/curtis-yarvin-trump
1) Destroying the dollar to pump crypto
2) Disabling the regulatory apparatus.
3) Destroying faith in the federal government as a vindicator of rights and good faith dealing.
4) Altering data to make records unreliable, or potentially to implicate his enemies.
Nor should we discount it being pure unabashed ego, ignorance, idiocy, and racism.
https://www.notesfromthecircus.com/p/the-plot-against-america?r=1xag6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true
> Trump sets out illegal EO to jail minority group X
> Red states throw them to the wolves, Some Blue states refuse
> Social security payments for anyone in that blue state get shut off
> Blue states give in
It’s to control govt extra-Constitutionally to cripple, subjugate, shrink, and weaken it. And the way to do that is a pincer move through top down executive action and grab it by the payment jugular of OMB/BFS. So that
Breaking civil service is key.
The tech, the info, the AI the “savings” it’s mostly vapoware & BS. Maybe he monetizes it later, but it’s about control.
2. Feeding AI.
3. Info for leverage.
https://bsky.app/profile/dburbach.bsky.social/post/3lhpbbuaiq22i
They want org charts and dossiers so they can break the organization, not just its tools.
It’s utterly bewildering that people don’t seem to grasp how dystopian this is.
https://bsky.app/profile/chadloder.bsky.social/post/3lhmh66isi22j
yeah, they're Palpatine and the Sith.
Treasury. OPM. They will target tech infrastructure next (.gov DNS registrar, PKI, etc) if they can get their hands on it.
(This is not a troll or a gotcha. I honestly want to know.)
Added to the thread.
#FUCKGOP
Need an uprising of real people stopping this..
Similar to J6. 💪🏼
Fine data is to target Republicans for blackmail.
I can see AI tagging the accounts of women as fraudulent because of name changes.
Or saying you don't need benefits because your house is a family home that rose in value over decades.
The other thought is that the
#putin gave #musk a copy of trump's pee tape (secretly recorded when trump visited russia), so now #trump is forced to let #DOGE do whatever he wants.
#musk is a traitor to every country he was ever a citizen of...
Musk and the oligarchs are seeking chaos for the unchecked power it offers.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/oct/25/elon-musk-has-been-in-regular-contact-with-putin-for-two-years-say-reports
The Christian Dominionists and the oligarchs don't all see eye-to-eye on this, although some oligarchs are definitely on board with the New Apostolic Reformation and Project 2025 plan.
What will surprise the oligarchs is when the first one gets tossed out of a window.
https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-russians-fall-windows-putin-ukraine-war-1781790
Also, literally taking suggestions from his followers on what to "cancel"
https://www.wired.com/story/doge-chatbot-ai-first-agenda/
End goal is totally unregulated capitalism, no taxes, where tycoons hold the power.
This might be just about "owning" the system on the hardware level.
If I were them and had admin access, I’d install kill switches hidden from other current and future admins.
I wouldn’t have enough time to “audit” everything I had access to so I’d set up a MAD dynamic, essentially, to give myself leverage in the future.
Now that's impossible. We are trapped with him as co-President.
I’m not a techie so others can no doubt detail more accurately how to do what I’m describing, but conceptually my goal would be establishing permanent and irrevocable control over the systems, including the ability to disable them at will.
Similar to hackers’ ransomware logic.
I think they could also give Homan and Noem the power to create a permanent class of indentured servants for favored industries.
I was also not suggesting a lawsuit against Elon personally. His minions and other govt officials.
Why? To loosen the controls, create a fiscal crisis, and destroy the dollar as the world’s reserve currency.
Why? To get out of the hole they’re in on AI & Bitcoin.
-Looking for federal employees doing wrongthink of wokeness or dissent?
-Installing backdoor for future access?
-Feeding into AI model hoping it can do govt jobs?
-Stealing info on Musk company competitors?
-Seizing control of payments and actually planning on holding it?
The principle motive here, though, seems to be installing stooges of the ongoing fascist coup into critical positions of power whilst simultaneously disabling opposition.
The rest will come later.
Mean tweets from americans: 👎
Nazi tweets: personal job recommendation from Vice President Vance
Another possibility is it's a bluff — they're hoping a bunch of people will quit and the remaining will either be supporters or cowed.
Though if they don't get that effect, then start going down the list...
My assumption is that the AI is not running in any govt approved cloud service but in Grok, Musk's own cesspool of an AI platform. So highly unlikely it meets the stringent security and data governance stds to which fed systems are mandated.
Not sure *which* AI but reports are that they're using Azure
https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-doge-running-highly-sensitive-government-data-through-ai-report-2000560381
Which at least gives me hope things can be undone whenever they're successfully kicked out of the system.
They think they can also make a chat bot that can replace employees, big LOL.
https://www.wired.com/story/doge-chatbot-ai-first-agenda/
Constituents will be feeling pain and demanding fast fixes, the billionaires will offer turnkey solutions at astonishing bargains.
Reps will be tempted.
There’s no way his team of racist hackers hasn’t put stuff in allowing him to take over/destroy all US govt computer systems
My guess is that in 2-3 months when things start breaking beyond repair, some tentacle of Musk will have an AI/ML offering that supposedly can handle a bunch of govt use cases, turnkey. Offered cheap.
It’ll all be lies, of course.
It’s also beneficial from a coercion perspective to have all federal employees thinking that the DOGE team is spying on them.
-Destroying federal infrastructure and capacity for the sake of destroying federal infrastructure and capacity?
Banks and credit unions only allow largest accounts to recover $$$. Sooooo it could benefit them, too.
but I'm just putting together the misogyny+kleptocracy+sheer utter rampant zombie greed of this country right now
-Building an AI surveillance state?
Longer term, perhaps. But if one were trying to do that, a big step would be acquiring government data on everyone in the country.
I think most of this thread's ideas are somewhat plausible. But they've had limited time, and if they're strategic they likely have a back door now. If not? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Musk believes most of us are literally NPCs
Young programmers are being told by VCs that with access to AI they are virtually omniscient
There’s tons of hallucinogenic drugs floating around, apparently
The sense of entitlement to rule the world has to be through the roof
-Trying to disrupt the dollar?
Longer-term goal, possibly outlandish, but not an uncommon idea in cryptocurrency circles.
Works in concert with some of the shorter-term goals, as do other long-term aims. It can be more than one thing, even if some (all?) are not well thought out.
https://bsky.app/profile/dell.bsky.social/post/3lhmyjkm4bc25
Acquiring a database of most Americans for a payments app
Installing a backdoor for later
https://www.notesfromthecircus.com/p/the-plot-against-america?utm_campaign=post&showWelcomeOnShare=true
LGBTQ. ARM yourselves start carrying.
I'm sure Musk is taking the data; he's building the world's largest AI supercomputer in Memphis.
And the government contracting industry should be under more scrutiny, which we are finally seeing.
Elon can’t cut anything he will expose the fraud and your congress people will be vote in the cuts.
Our debt problem would resolve itself if 1% and businesses paid their fair share.
And again Elon has shown zero proof of any fraud occuring in any government agency so far.
Actually when we feel inflation it’s best for Elon and billionaires. Assets always outperform inflation.