That 36% is the part that really bothers me. Over a third of our nation didn’t vote. Trump didn’t grow his support base over the years, millions of people were just too lazy to get off their ass and go vote.
Hmm, vote tRump the rapist convict or vote dems to continue arming and funding genocidal war criminals in Apartheid israel. Not much of a "choice" to me.
So if I'm following and accepting your logic, you see no difference between voting for someone who will fund "genocidal war" in Apartheid Israel and someone who will fund "genocidal war" in Apartheid Israel and also install Apartheid in the US.
I'm not any happier than you are at the results. I'm simply trying to clearly define one of the problems with this election. Two bad choices. I expect tRump to do massive damage - but I have SEEN the Biden admin assist in the murder of 15 thousand children and thousands of innocent women and men.
The problem was people not paying attention. Biden wasn't on the ballot. Harris said she favored a two State solution. I also took note of the fact that after she met privately with Israeli Trump, he ran to Mar a Lago and then immediately escalated. Escalation hurt Harris. Connect the dots.
And as a result an orangutan is now in the Whitehouse
(Apologies to all orangutans, and apes in general, for the slur on your character you don't deserve it)
In most European countries, to form a majority government, you have to have more than 50% of the seats in Parliament. If you do not you have to form a coalition government or vote again. This is democracy. I am anarchist explaining democracy. American democracy is not democracy.
In Nederland (Holland) you need 75% of the seats , so we never have a majority government. We also have more than two political party’s to choose from.
America is polarized around Democrats and Democrats and you only need 1% more to form a majority government. Now you have a Autocratic government that is above the law.
Before placing blame, consider investigating further. Smart Elections, who've studied elections for years, state the numbers don't add up. Blaming Democrats without all the facts does no good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgXOkfVVtbk
Yes but remember that #FOTUS loves to lie! He lies as easily as he breathes! He bases everything on whether it’s good for him first & foremost. He likes to play tough but his record proves cowardice.
AND 6.2 million Biden voters in 2020 didn't vote in 2024 & news org sponsored nat'l polling wasn't within margin of error when the denominator(the poll's expected voter turnout) was so far out of margins yet nat'l polls pretending they didn't make major mistakes in measuring expected voters.
Meh. Still means Americans are 1) lazy 2) dumb and uneducated ASF with brain rot and 3) are frogs slowly boiling in soup, unable to think critically or see the big picture.
Everyone who voted for Genocide and the Corrupt Duopoly should be removed from our society. You are the problem. Dictator who wants to force people to vote to further enrich the 1% and fund Israel. Sit down.
It feels great to have a rapist and felon in the Oval Office who is going to turn the US into an oligarchy over a competent woman who would have tried to make everyone’s lives better and maintain democracy
Voting against Trump isn’t kool-aid, it’s common fucking sense
Never mind the fact that many didn't vote... out of solidarity for Palestinians... that wanted Harris. Now what we predicted will happen: Trump releases all sanctions on Israel, and 2000 lbs of b*mbs will be dropped on human beings for a beach resort.
Apparently, Brandon has been outrunning his intelligence and common sense while not letting them catch up to him. Such petulance, hope he's not the victim of a brother sister marriage
I guess no need to say anything about how the country is run for the next 4 years since you don't want to drink any kool-aid. Sad to think you just couldn't see one was morally better than the other.
Same way, his little “oh my poor ear is shot” wasn’t investigated. No reports that I’ve found and why didn’t the FBI look into it? dumpster is a lying, thieving, robbing conman!
that man owns the FBI , the white house, and all of congress now. there’s no more accountability on the horizon for him. All we can do is strap in for the ride and hope we and our loved ones survive
got me there 😭 he’s wealthy, ofc he never saw accountability, even before politics. but now that he is, he’s just been building up his ultimate “safe space” this entire time. negative accountability. citizens fear him. he owns everyone, including the richest man on earth. all according to his plan.
What about fleeing or starting a revolution? Or starting a revolution and seeking aid from foreign governments? We really are gonna just let him get roots and change the history of the world? I now understand why no one did anything when Hitler took power.
I’m all for revolution. I’d love to lead it, but I’m not a leader, and I have loved ones who are extremely vulnerable in these times who cant flee & don’t want to be part of the revolution, they want to survive. I have a privilege that they don’t and I don’t want to put a target on their back.
It doesn't matter about a mandate - the Rapist is in the women's locker, and America put him back in there.
He is wreaking havoc across the board, and we all need to sue him at once.
His hand was incapable of touching the Bible because he is evil incarnate.
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I wish these facts were promoted more. My sister travels to Europe frequently and says the attitude towards US visitors has become very cold. Those she spoke to feel “the landslide” proves most Americans are MAGA followers; therefore to be hated and feared.
Problem is, the "fuck your feelings" crowd always votes with... their feelings. They literally, in many cases, didn't comprehend who they were voting for beyond nebulous reasons like "drain the swamp", "the economy", "eggs", and "fuck'em queers and brown people".
I do not think 36% did not care enough to vote, I believe no better option was given dems were not able to show a better option. We need more and better options to vote. The two party system is not working any more
This video features experts from Smart Elections, who have investigated elections. They state there are problems with the current election, as the numbers simply don't add up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgXOkfVVtbk
Before placing blame, consider investigating further. Smart Elections, who've studied elections for years, state the numbers don't add up. Blaming Democrats without all the facts does no good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgXOkfVVtbk
They couldn't vote! Bomb threats, moving ballot boxes, and staging people outside that made them fear going. In the districts, Trump forced in person voting.
I have a feeling a lot of mail in ballots disappeared. People don't know to call and verify their ballot was counted.
And the third party votes- those are the difference as well. If those went to Harris- she would’ve been ahead there.
Not voting AND voting third party- means you voted for DT 🍊🤡
So how do you address the people who didn't want tRump for all his known lies and problems... but also didn't want a group willing to fund and arm genocidal war criminals in Apartheid isreal? What "choice" did they have?
I feel like at some point if you have to make the best choice of the two, rather than focusing on the nominees that don’t stand a fighting chance. Those that voted third party contributed to DT winning, by not voting for his major competition-so they cant complain, in my eyes.
They should read the list of day 1 executive orders by the new administration. Then they should figure out what administration worked to the last minute on the Gaza ceasefire.
I am not in any way suggesting that a tRump win was desirable, only that voting for dems who funded, armed and supported war crimes was not exactly a great option.
So "grown-ups" can decide between the ones that helped murder 15 thousand children and thousands of innocent women and men - and the other one who might well do the same? Still comes down to two bad choices.
Third party voters are not the problem, non voters are. Third party chose to exercise their rights and that meant not voting for either of the big parties.
Non voters today are likely to be non voters tomorrow. And, given that they are statistically likely to be less well informed on political issues, I'd guess they're more likely to be tricked into voting for a Republican.
yes they do, third party voters got us two terms of Bush two and now they got us the Orange idiot for a second time, we need an overhaul of our voting starting with opening up the primaries to ALL voters and closing the November to ONLY the top two candidates NO MORE JONNY COME LATELY
No but the decision would have been more definitive one way or another. Tired of this narrow margin bs and 3rd party Johnny come lately making a mess for the rest of us
I’d love to agree and if this was an ordinary election it’d be fine but way to much was at stake here and they knew it they’re as much to blame as non voters
Witthout hindsight it seemed like a pretty open-and-shut win for Kamala, knowing what bullshit Trump did. Of course, a third of Americans are idiots, uninformed or both, and so Trump won, despite every reason he shouldn't have.
You’re right they have nothing to answer to. Everyone should be able to vote for who they want to. Votes have power & consequences. What third party voters have are the consequences that come from their votes. The dictator sitting in the White House is a consequence. You saved none and hurt many.
Agree that everyone has the right to vote for whomever they wish. That being said. the word here is VOTE! If you couldn't get off your ass and vote the STFU!
They're the reason Trump won! If they voted for Harris instead of f up reasons we wouldn't be looking at the orange ape. But no, they had "reasons" May they also reap what they sow!
Doesn’t matter. They hacked the machines. He told us yesterday and absolutely nothing was done. They’re in and short a revolution we’ll never get them out.
This! he literally confessed "we rigged the election & now i get to be your president", and we're still blaming each other. It's game over at the poles w Elon being the best at the "vote counting computers"
Not only did he confess but when I reposted the video of it on instagram I got “fact checked” and it said “trump said this in regards to 2020 not 2024 election” and I’m like a) SAME DIFFERENCE & b) meta “isn’t fact checking any longer” so wtf? Did a fake fact checker fact check this?!?!
I don't see it that way. The system is the system and it's been this way for a long time, and we've never elected a fascist before. I do think the 2000 election of Bush over Gore was a turning point.
Before placing blame, consider investigating further. Smart Elections, who've studied elections for years, state the numbers don't add up. Blaming Democrats without all the facts does no good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgXOkfVVtbk
I will like to suggest a strategy:
-Support ACLU
-Support Sierra Club
-Support Union of Concerned Scientists
-Support Earth Justice
-Fund small businesses
-Focus on Nov 03, 2026 and win
-Engage the 60% of of Americans who did not vote and steal MAGA supporters.
Before placing blame, consider investigating further. Smart Elections, who've studied elections for years, state the numbers don't add up. Blaming Democrats without all the facts does no good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgXOkfVVtbk
Trump (narrowly but still) won the popular vote. Do you want to get into a civil war with a third of your country (while a third stands by), or do you want to deconvert those you can, while only getting violent with the smaller subgroup where it's truly necessary (Klansmen and neo-nazis, etc.)?
not sure that worked really.
I think once they realize who is actually pulling the trigger and killing loved ones with mandates that are total BS like trump often does, then he loses people.
It's only really powerful when it hits close to home.
They do not like you. You can’t be there for them. Trump can say he alone was the cause of losing a family member and they will still follow his lead. It will take years for these people to see the damage they’ve caused.
I will not beat them down and will not be a shoulder to lean on. Negatory!
As a House District Coordinator in Texas growing my precinct chair ranks, going house to house working the issues in our district has been our organizing principle. Recognizing when someone says something that is flat out wrong, acknowledging the person and countering with “but remember when”
I hate the conclusion some people have that "if those who didn't vote would have voted, they would have voted for Harris".
For all we know, they might have voted for Trump if forced to make a decision. Same with complaining about 3rd party candidates being plants against democrats.
E.g. Publications were declaring RFK Jr. as plant to steal votes away from democrats, but most people I know who wanted to support RFK Jr. ended up not voting or voting for Trump instead.
Jill Stein is also very vocally pissed off at the democrats, so I'd imagine her supporters are similar.
I mean, would you have felt any better if they did vote but voted for Trump? Do you really think that people apathetic enough about politics to vote against Trump are informed enough to know how hard he's lying?
I know preschoolers who know outright that he's a liar. It's blatantly obvious to world.
One would hope when seeing eerily similar apologetics to some of the darkest times of history starting to show up, some could get past the fact that his opponent is female, but apparently not...
The other problem is you say that and I agree with you but you shouldn't underestimate the power of just being able to endlessly bombard people with lies and propaganda. That's how we have things like "A lot of republicans support progressive ideas as long as you don't call them progressive"
I agree sexism probably played a factor, but do keep in mind that the Democrats were literally anti-campaigning until then too. Biden being so bad that other democrats weren't allowed to grandstand to avoid making him look bad. That's why we had no candidates at all and defaulted to the VP.
Which is how Republicans were able to latch on to the "No one voted for her" messaging, because Democrats didn't bother to have primaries and had to FORCE Biden to step down. Biden should have been 1 term only and focused time on talking up new candidates to take over for him, but he didn't.
If all those votes were properly accepted.
Also, what about the ballots which marked a selection for president, but left everything else blank? As horrible as it is that mangolini is back in office, the most devastating thing about the election results is the loss of the House and the Senate.
Does this include unregistered people who have the right to vote?
In the UK if you include those the current government got about 18% of the vote
In the Netherlands with PR, everyone is registered automatically, turnout was 80% (considered low) the governing coalition got 48% of all potential votes.
So, you're saying if the 85+ MILLION voters who didn't vote at all had put a candidate forward and voted for that candidate for POTUS, that person would have been elected in a landslide? Hmmm. Guess it's time to chuck the electoral college and go with 'one person, one vote' since every vote counts.
That's the problem in USA with the electoral college system & in UK with first past the post system. If you are in an area where you are well outnumbered by voters from the other side, then you may as well put your vote in the bin. Probably the main reason why there's so many non voters.
I'm beginning to think that the UK's FPTP system might not be such a bad thing after all. It may turn out to be the best way we can keep neo-fascists like Farage and the Muskovites out of govt, as PR might let him in via a coalition - see Germany and the Netherlands.
There's certainly pluses & minuses, which is basically what I've often said to those proposing PR. It's certainly a lot more democratic than the 'elective dictatorship' we currently have. It may mean that people become more engaged in politics if they know every single vote counts?
Before placing blame, consider investigating further. Smart Elections, who've studied elections for years, state the numbers don't add up. Blaming Democrats without all the facts does no good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgXOkfVVtbk
Exactly. I'll never forgive the ones that didn't vote. This is on them. They didn't want Trump but were too small minded and insecure to vote for a woman of color. They make me sick.
And bearing witness to what my family has suffered for generations, and going against everything they’ve taught me, I choose to finally learn this valuable lesson:
I will never forgive the undereducated. Amerikkkan foreign policy granted sovereignty to Isnotreal to destabilize the Arab Nation. All so you can drive your car to work and make profits for the billionaires! Maybe next time I ask you to join a union you will! Boycott Amerikkka
You don't know that's the reason. And holding onto your forgiveness won't help us in the future. What I would suggest is talking to people to find out WHY they didn't vote and figuring how to get them to vote in the future. Or we'll be here again.
I would have voted for a potato rather than Trump, anything, let alone someone charismatic, under the age of 65, smart, educated, compassionate, etc like Harris.
This outcome is so depressing in its predictability and inevitability.
The bar is so low now an ant can't limbo under it.
I mean, you're also kinda assuming those people wouldn't vote for Trump if they had to make a decision. If anything isn't it a good thing that the people who care so little they didn't vote against Trump didn't try to vote for him instead?
There are a LOT of people who are working 2, 3, 4 jobs, supporting families, struggling to pay bills who simply don’t have the TIME or ENERGY to be involved in politics.
Made worse when the subsidies reducing drug costs are removed and consumer prices remain high. When Europe turns its back on American tourists, ignores the threats about NATO and the slew of inflationary tariffs Trump intends to impose on nearly everything they buy. He wants isolation. He'll get it.
Also consider that almost a million citizens, per stats, are HOMELESS. Those ppl are just trying to survive day to day. Plus, with no address, they have no district assignment.
It’s not simply laziness or apathy that keeps ppl from voting.
Homeless definitely get a pass & we should be helping them get to a place where they are more stable.
Officials go through encampments & destroy important papers, birth certificates, social security cards, etc. leaving them worse than they were.
Little respect for humans 🤕😞
I have a friend who has worked three jobs & raised a daughter all the years I’ve known her (over 10 yrs now). She’s voted in every election including those that are local topic only! She’s a better citizen than I 💙💙💙💙💙💙 & a lot of others I know.
And how much time are they going to have now to support that family? All the excuses will cause them to lose more of their rights, money, time, and possibly 1 or more of their jobs. You make time for what’s important and imperative to your existence.
No, if one is such dire straights, then they should take a moment to investigate which party or person is more likely to find ways to ease their hardship/s . It doesn’t take a lot time or energy to be minimally involved.
Some people wake up every day and have literally no time between jobs, kids, and sleep.
We’re not talking about people who spend their time on social media or doing other things. We are talking about people who literally do not have the time physically.
Chances are incredibly good there are zero ways to "ease their hardships."
Are you being serious with this comment right now? Sure, I'll go tell my boss I'll take two weeks off starting tomorrow and pick days throughout the week I just, eh, won't show up.
The challenge with people who are uninterested in politics is that many heinous acts (like removing the White House climate page today) won’t even register on their radar because they’re not newsworthy. Or, if they do become newsworthy, they’ll be buried.
We cannot say this enough!!! No mandate. No landslide. He eeked out a win by getting 100k more votes than Harris in a few swing states. That’s it. About the same number of people who fit into Penn State’s stadium.
Before placing blame, consider investigating further. Smart Elections, who've studied elections for years, state the numbers don't add up. Blaming Democrats without all the facts does no good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgXOkfVVtbk
I would really like to know why so many potential voters sat this one out. Apathy? Or anger/discontent over Biden's late stage actions (i.e. persisting in remaining candidate; genocide in Gaza)?
This video features experts from Smart Elections, who have investigated elections. They state there are problems with the current election, as the numbers simply don't add up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgXOkfVVtbk
I call BULLSHIT! ALL AMERICANS are responsible for tRump. You ALL, in your own way, contributed. Don't think you'll get away with a bullshit "I didn't vote for him." Well, your neighbours did, and you're godamn responsible for that too. ALL AMERICANS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR GIVING THE WORLD TRUMP AGAIN.
I really wish that those who voted for a 3rd party doesn't help anyone! It is just a wasted vote! No different as the people who didn't bother to vote!
It’s a shame that the USA voting system is rigged against third party options. There are good third party choices that shouldn’t be eliminated in such ways. But that’s the way the power stays in the Duopoly… stuffed either way.
First Job: Wake up the 89MILLION Americans who are already Eligible Voters, but who chose NO ONE in November.
36.4% of Eligible Voters voted for NO ONE.
That’s shameful…and THE PLACE to start.
#EducateEligibleVoters🇺🇸
My vote didn’t count because I “supposedly” didn’t mail in a document with it… but I remember mailing in 2 documents. 🤷🏼♀️ I tracked it online weeks before the election and it said “accepted”. Two weeks after the election, I got a letter it wasn’t accepted. I turned it in to the state to investigate.
My biggest complaint is why it said “accepted” for weeks if I was missing a document. If it would have said “pending” or “missing document” I would have had the opportunity to follow up as I turned it in 3 to 4 weeks prior to the election.
Think about this: those 36.33% were put off by neoliberal Democrats (who bend over for corporations and the rich) castigating them for wanting progressive policies (that help the middle class and poor) *plus* the divisiveness of Trumpism. The 'Ratchet Effect':
ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democrats_(United_States)
My sister is one of them. She had the nerve to go on FB and rant about the "sad state" of our government and how awful everything is. She hasn't voted in a single election in her entire life. I messaged her privately to tell her, "Those who don't participate have NO RIGHT to complain."
This is my complaint! The last two Alberta elections I have gone door-to-door on behalf of My Favourite party. I am flabbergasted by the number of people who say they don't vote. WTF?
I had a friend that voted for Trump because he felt Harris couldn’t do the job. I left him in the dust now he won’t stop texting me. Anyone who voted for that guy means (to me) that raping women is ok. The didn’t vote period- I view as Trumpers so they can stay off my lawn too! Sorry-not sorry.
I have family that I no longer speak to, because they chose dumpster. My ex SIL even told me when he ran the first time, that she cared more for him than me. I said, “goodbye”!
A significant number of that 36% is because of obstacles placed in their way. Disenfranchising by reducing voting hours, restricting locations and sizes of polling stations, ensuring wait times that are almost impossible for single or working parents for example.
Oh please, I had a huge hurdle due to non-traditional housing and still managed despite that the state nearly can't handle that. People didn't want to vote for a woman. This country pretends it isn't fiercely sexist.
What was her lack of qualifications? Be specific , instead of a put down. As far as I can see, it was she was a women, better qualified than her opponent, and black. And you big, tough, smart men couldn't deal with it.
I agree but they will and they are already blaming everything on Biden. I don't know about the rest of you but I will call it to peoples attention when they whine after voting for a convicted rapist and criminal. They did this to themselves and caught the rest of us up in their ignorance.
i really think a good portion of those got purged, specifically suburban women's votes....i don't have proof but i know more suburban white women registered to vote in all of history, donated more small donations to dems in history, were angry about Roe...yet just didn't show?
Believe it or not, many elections people feel both candidates are bad and will make no difference in their difficult lives. They generally just see politicians as liars. Many states are also just called red states and blue states.
Before placing blame, consider investigating further. Smart Elections, who've studied elections for years, state the numbers don't add up. Blaming Democrats without all the facts does no good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgXOkfVVtbk
Before placing blame, consider investigating further. Smart Elections, who've studied elections for years, state the numbers don't add up. Blaming Democrats without all the facts does no good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgXOkfVVtbk
Shame on the idiots who voted for a third party. They gave the election to the orange Nazi. And shame on the voters who stayed home. They could have made a difference and put Harris in the White House.
If you have someone you feel is a better candidate and feel the other is a compromise, then voting for what you believe in is never shameful. I still voted for a woman and she is a very courageous soul and has every right to be included. Trump is a vessel of hatred. And we will survive it.
It’s shameful but we wouldn’t have won if they had all voted for Harris. They weren’t votes in swing states, they wouldn’t have given us the electoral votes we needed. They just would have given the popular vote.
Y’all really need to realize that third party voters are not the reason this is happening. This is (unfortunately) where our country has always been heading. Also, Trump very likely didn’t win the election and very likely (as he admitted himself) stole it.
Shame on you for not know foreign policy. Amerikkka granted sovereignty to destabilize the Arab Nation. Really puts 9/11 in a new light. The non commitment voter movement was trying to warn you. When she did not allow the Palestine to speak at the DNC I said she would lose.
That is exactly why we lost .
Mainstream Democrats are just as racist and misogynistic as the Republicans. Not surprising. Archie Bunker, Joe Sixpack will have none of that forced upon them.
There aren't enough democrats or independents that aren't right leaking in Oklahoma to change the vote. Why waste the time? Help us make it so our votes matter and then maybe we will.
I think some of both, but I know of a few who could have & didn’t. Right now, we are not speaking.
Excessive health problems last year, non-running car, blah, blah - didn’t keep me from. Painfully waited in line & would do again!
Unless you understand how the electoral college works. I live in California and every person in my town could vote 3rd party and it wouldn’t move the needle. Kamala supporting genocide in Palestine though… that def cost her the election
Shame on you for voting for Genocide. Shame on you for not wanting better for yourself. Shame on you for supporting the corrupt duopoly. I have more respect for those two groups than I have for you and your ilk. You ARE the problem.
The people who stayed home because of "politics" are the problem, not the people who voted one of three ways. Being disinterested is the first step of being disallowed from being counted.
This video features experts from Smart Elections, who have investigated elections. They state there are problems with the current election, as the numbers simply don't add up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgXOkfVVtbk
💚We had 0 transparency into the election. We have to trust that there wasn't massive voting fraud. We just accept 0 transparency like it's the thing to do. I'm guessing we're brainwashed. Why can't we check the ballots by hand while the internet watches live on webcams & then we can be assured?
I don’t understand how Trump’s last term didn’t light a fire under people to vote. We aren’t a liberal or conservative country, we’re a non voting country!
On the flip side, I do wonder (and fear) how much of it is voter suppression.
I wondered if social media could have instilled false confidence in voters. The support for Harris seemed overwhelming and Trump appeared wildly unpopular so perhaps people thought it was 'in the bag' and didn't bother to vote.
There are approx 90 million registered voters who didn't vote. The feeling of devastation when he won is something I will never forget. Did social media play a part in his victory, were our algorithms deliberately skewed? I could not find pro Trump videos on TT, they were not offered to me to view.
Someone on TT said that their content outnumbers ours 6-1 on that app and the algorithm is good enough that we never see it. If that’s true, that’s disheartening; I always thought TT was more of a progressive app. My theory is they only make more videos because they make so many hateful stitches.
I’ve seen things where Trump himself has teased that it was rigged. Once when he was talking about the Olympics being held here and another about the voting machines in Pennsylvania. But people from both sides tell me to calm down bc it’s all speculation 🙄
There has definitely been noise with regard to election interference, many voters have raised it with local officials, even higher. But even if cheating did come to light, he won't leave. He is a literal criminal, an Insurrectionist, a fraudster, a child rapist. It means nothing now.
Your analysis seems appropriate but leaves the conclusion that there are two types of stupid voters:
o those that voted for trump
o those that didn't vote
To be fair, thousands of votes weren't counted. I watched a ton of people check on the status of their votes and they were either not processed or never received.
This video features experts from Smart Elections, who have investigated elections. They state there are problems with the current election, as the numbers simply don't add up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgXOkfVVtbk
Direct your rage against the ones who didn't:
1. The fascist left that didn't vote counting on things getting so fucked up as to present themselves as the only alternative to the other head of the same monster;...
2. The ignoramus convinced by the fascist left to stay home because of an international conflict;
3. The lazy: to paraphrase Jose Martí: the comfort of the fireplace is the enemy of democracy;
In brief, the cowardice of those who decided to let others bear the brunt of the fight for their rights!!!
And yesterday NPR said ‘he won decisively’. I am disappointed that NPR is buying into his rhetoric. Of any media outlet, we need them to not sensationalize #majormedia #npr #facts
It only makes sense to do this party when the third party has a chance, otherwise it's throwing away votes and nobody cares why! I hope they feel good but nobody is listening to them and it doesn't matter....Thanks a lot!
Look at countries that are well governed and have high turnout in elections, what they all have in common is a fair voting system called 'proportional representation'...
The US voting system is NOT democratic...
We shouldn't have a dual party system to begin with. I think the biggest mistake America made was having parties to begin with. So many Rebublicans vote Rebublican cause they always have, but Rebublican is not the same Rebublican it was in the 70s.
Why though? I'm sorry but it's cope to think the non voting population would have voted more for Harris when they're already so disinterested that they didn't vote at all.
Quibbling over details like this is really pointless, what matters is going over why the Democrats were THIS unpopular at all.
Like the damage Biden did is so so so much more important to look at than the people who already do not care about politics at all. Democrats literally not having any notable candidates at all and having to push the VP as the only one with a foot in the door was DISASTROUS.
If you want more people to vote then it could've been done through removing the Electoral College, but even that is wishful thinking as it's easier to blame non-voters than the system disenfranchising voters.
#America, Canada & Britain all use variants of the vote-suppressing “First Past The Post” election system, discredited for that very reason.
Modern democracies use Proportional Representation election systems, ensuring EVERY vote gets EQUAL rep., every government matches the votes, upping turnout.
FPTP: a single representative chosen for each district, the candidate who has the highest number of votes —with 3 or more running it often means the winning candidate is only supported by 1/3 or even less of the voters. Prop Rep has 3 or more reps per district w/ ranked ballot: every vote gets rep
it's how the parliamentary voting system works, the first candidate who get past a certain % of the vote is automatically determined to be the winner, it typically not a majority since these types of political systems have multiple parties so no one candidate could ever get a majority
The parliamentary system only works democratically on proportional representation, ensuring that every vote gets the same amount of representation regardless of party. Parliaments created with first past the post, only represent a minority of the people’s views, prevent real choice, shrink turn-out
this usually results in minor parties allying themselves and giving their votes to a party that aligns with their views, usually called "coalition governments" so that a single candidate can get past the threshold.
That means policy gets the agreement of a majority of the voters, rather than a party representing 30% of voters, hijacking the entire legislative process.
that's not how coalition government works, in those systems the agreements between the minor parties are more important since that kind of parliamentary system have voted of no confidences, which dissolves the government and starts new elections
I don't know what the other person is talking about when they claim this discredits votes, because typically this system results in multiple rounds of votes until a candidate with the % needed to win is elected, the minor parties aren't discounted they lend their support to a candidate they like.
to me it was surprising because i rly thought the left was super energized after biden dropping out, and somebody with a functioning brain becoming the candidate.
i guess it goes to show that blatantly funding a genocide doesn't really attract potential voters lmao
The left gained energy but it petered out when Kamala made it clear she was just going to be Biden 2. Likewise Walz was popular but the DNC appeared to force him to be less interesting because it was drawing attention away from Kamala. But really though...
The death knell was always Biden being so far arrogant and delusional that he didn't have a primary at all and refused to drop out for so long there was no chance to push anyone else. Biden was never actually popular but he viewed himself as the ONLY option, he went nuts.
Like it recently came out that the DNC was explicitly NOT allowing most other Democrats to make names for themselves because they knew it would make Biden look bad by comparison. Biden was literally so shitty he dragged the entire party down with him, and now they have no candidates.
Before placing blame, consider investigating further. Smart Elections, who've studied elections for years, state the numbers don't add up. Blaming Democrats without all the facts does no good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgXOkfVVtbk
This video features experts from Smart Elections, who have investigated elections. They state there are problems with the current election, as the numbers simply don't add up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgXOkfVVtbk
This picture literally says the same thing. He won by 1.5% percent. I understand the picture looks prettier but it literally is backing up the original post.
I said as much, the difference is the framing - a Democrat strategist wants to blame non voters for his party's campaign not doing enough (the admittedly very credible evidence of widespread fraud notwithstanding)
I also don't believe that over 36% I Americans didn't vote. The orange shitgibbon has admitted that his new BFF manipulated the election. Why recounts weren't demanded is beyond me.
People would rather hate on their equals to make them feel good about themselves. It was never going to work. We didn't have a fair fight. Infighting is stupid and wasteful.
Staggering amount of ignorance. Faced with a convicted felon, rapist, incompetent grifter and an educated, competent career politician, they couldn't decide/couldn't be bothered. Absolutely shameful.
Right?! Hmm.. be interesting to see if there’s a Reddit thread yet or another resource to tap into that could tally/sort responses.
I’m not social media savvy at all..
I tried to tell a friend that, she was calling Kamala a cop b*& saying that until we stop accepting the 2 party system they’ll never change it. I said okay but maybe not this one talk to me in 4 more years. She flipped on me. She’s lgbtq major liberal. I think about her often. I hope she’s happy.
And like in other healthier democracies:
- President by popular vote. First round if >50%, otherwise second round between top2 candidates.
- Election on a non-working day. With anticipated/mail vote possibility.
- Automatic registration in the area of residence.
The ‘great unwashed’ and the politically apathetic who choose not to vote should be shown empathy. They are a result of the deconstruction and underfunding of traditional public institutions, specifically education. This is by design not by accident.
Okay but even if they did vote you have no real reason to think they'd vote for Harris. The kind of people that didn't vote against Trump are the same kind of people more likely to buy his lies and vote for him directly.
Valid point you have. Given, though, that there was a close split between Harris and Trump voters, the nonvoters may have also been split. But, there may have also been interference of some kind and some have suggested perhaps Musk was involved.
I really don't want to get into the exact same conspiracy theories that Trump pushed last election. This would have been the most closely guarded election in history, unless there's SERIOUS evidence of cheating, I think we're just getting distracted from the real problems.
I don't think any amount of tampering or bad voting policies did anywhere near as much damage as Biden sabotaging his own party as much as he did. Democrats didn't even have any other names at all to push which is why they went for the VP like a default candidate.
You’re probably correct in that, at least to a degree. I wrote (emailed, which probably never saw the light of day!) to President Biden early last year suggesting that he seriously consider stepping aside and a new Dem leader be found to head the ticket for the Dems, but knew that wouldn’t happen.
Who gives a f*ck. This election was stole, there is a much bigger bigger turkey on the table. This means nothing, we will never have a real election again. If you don't believe me, just ask a Russian.
This video features experts from Smart Elections, who have investigated elections. They state there are problems with the current election, as the numbers simply don't add up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgXOkfVVtbk
This video features experts from Smart Elections, who have investigated elections. They state there are problems with the current election, as the numbers simply don't add up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgXOkfVVtbk
This video features experts from Smart Elections, who have investigated elections. They state there are problems with the current election, as the numbers simply don't add up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgXOkfVVtbk
We have compulsory voting. It's on a Saturday, at all public schools which makes it easier to get to and you can get a democracy sausage sanga afterwards.
The same can be said for the UK. Many votes are missed because of postal & digital voting. Voting should be done at the poll stations only! It's mandatory & you can be fined or declined without i.D to hand. Yet somehow people don't care. Now we're stuck with Heir Starmer & his shadow Chancellor who
has lied about how she attended certain & meaningful events & cares only about money. Money for Labour Party. The constant threat to evoke our rights & change the law for the Party needs only.
Just saying.
I took US citizenship just for the sake I could vote against this clown. I was happy with GC before... until he won 2016, then I had to get my US citizenship so I can vote because my kids are americans... I lost my own countries citizenship for this! He still won, and F U all the orange lovers
The only thing that matters to the people now in power are the top two stats. As far as they’re concerned, the bottom two don’t count and don’t matter. These people will act as if they have a mandate regardless. Watch what happens. SMH.
Why isnt every single Dem in Congress yelling about this?
FFS Felon is admitting Musk hacked the voting machines!
In a tweet last week Musk wrote "Nothing that can't be hacked."
We gotta do something.
This video features experts from Smart Elections, who have investigated elections. They state there are problems with the current election, as the numbers simply don't add up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgXOkfVVtbk
they start the myth, they repeat myth; myth is believed as reality. Same as "invasion" & Joe Biden was responsible for vaccinations, masking & business closures policy in USA during CPOVID. (All created or started #WARPSPEED under Donald Trump - some bragged about when they happened March, 2020)
AND.... ivanka and Jared bought up a large amount of voting machines after the last election. Now why would they do that? Also, trump said MUSK knew how to "work" those machines and help him win. SO........WTF????
It did to me as well. Then watching musk (kataMAN) stoned off his ass basically taking a bow for it at the shit fest and doing not one but TWO Nazi salutes to the point Germany called him out and is demanding HE & America explain that. Well, hope he lets us know cuz this is crazy town!
I just watched "Active Measures" last night.
Given the way the swing state numbers don't follow the pattern of the rest of the nation combined with REPs unlikely wins in House and Senate it seems more likely Russia removed voters from rolls so their votes didn't count and paid influencers to lie.
This map does look more representative of population & not just land-much of which is farmland for which I'm grateful~but is also increasingly less productive after climate change created doomsday weather: droughts, floods, tornadoes & hurricanes. AND the takeover of corporate/chemical farming.
Even if Orange Cunt died, do you really believe that everything is going to change? There are 3 more evil,dangerous blocks in the game & evil people more powerful,smart than him I leave it to you to learn this and that in a few years the real revolution begins. https://www.mind-war.com/p/tribal-council-the-broligarchy-the
Yes they are. But we're all special in our own ways~but hopefully, mostly(?), with less destructive hate. Guess we'll see how this plays out. I'm rapidly losing faith in people's special-ness.
I scanned thru & look fwd to reading the whole article. The premise, I can agree with. The problem is much bigger than US politics. But, I was responding to the map & the stats re: the % of the Winning Right Wing, which is less representative of the overall population in the US than we acknowledge.
And from what I scanned thru, with the Survivor Show as the metaphor used throughout, I think people may be able to appreciate the info you're sharing. Afterall, the US loves their Reality Show stars! I will spend more time later today reading thru-valid points so far (based on a 3rd scan thru).
Probably won't happen now. (But wouldn't be surprised if an American Guy Fawkes blocks all transmission to reveal the level of corruption. Nothing would surprise at this point.)
This video features experts from Smart Elections, who have investigated elections. They state there are problems with the current election, as the numbers simply don't add up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgXOkfVVtbk
I will never be convinced that this many people didn't vote. More new voter registrations and early voting turn out than ever. Those votes went " missing".
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(Apologies to all orangutans, and apes in general, for the slur on your character you don't deserve it)
Sane minded people need to make the future about teaching 5-10% of that 36 non-voter share. That is enough to tip the scales in convincing ways.
Over two-thirds of American voters let Trump happen again.
What do you mean?
It feels great to have a rapist and felon in the Oval Office who is going to turn the US into an oligarchy over a competent woman who would have tried to make everyone’s lives better and maintain democracy
Voting against Trump isn’t kool-aid, it’s common fucking sense
The worst possible scenario
There was a candidate that wanted to help the country,& then there was Trump who quoted H*tler and gave concepts of a plan. You chose to do nothing
He is wreaking havoc across the board, and we all need to sue him at once.
His hand was incapable of touching the Bible because he is evil incarnate.
🚬😎
What is the source for the % that you posted?
Trump has always been someone who can be bought.
You can't have Trump and not get the people who have him in their pocket.
The signs of who was at the top of the list were easy to see well before election day
I have a feeling a lot of mail in ballots disappeared. People don't know to call and verify their ballot was counted.
+Elon+computers 😳🤔
Not voting AND voting third party- means you voted for DT 🍊🤡
This election was FAR too important for such luxuries as third party votes or protest votes or not voting
That should all be on hold until the orange skidmark is deep in the cold cold ground
Non voters today are likely to be non voters tomorrow. And, given that they are statistically likely to be less well informed on political issues, I'd guess they're more likely to be tricked into voting for a Republican.
weird
-Support ACLU
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-Fund small businesses
-Focus on Nov 03, 2026 and win
-Engage the 60% of of Americans who did not vote and steal MAGA supporters.
Appreciate your feedback
#ForwardTogether
Or even, you know, helping them out with whatever problems they have. Just a thought.
Make allies. Numbers win.
Show them our humanity and love. Show them what we can do.
You’re living in a fucking dream world
not sure that worked really.
I think once they realize who is actually pulling the trigger and killing loved ones with mandates that are total BS like trump often does, then he loses people.
It's only really powerful when it hits close to home.
I will not beat them down and will not be a shoulder to lean on. Negatory!
For all we know, they might have voted for Trump if forced to make a decision. Same with complaining about 3rd party candidates being plants against democrats.
Jill Stein is also very vocally pissed off at the democrats, so I'd imagine her supporters are similar.
One would hope when seeing eerily similar apologetics to some of the darkest times of history starting to show up, some could get past the fact that his opponent is female, but apparently not...
Winston Churchill
Maybe it’s time to try something new
We allowed a man who represents everything that's ever been wrong with this country into the White House... again
Everyone who didn't vote should feel disgusted, but learn, and NEVER let this happen again.
Also, what about the ballots which marked a selection for president, but left everything else blank? As horrible as it is that mangolini is back in office, the most devastating thing about the election results is the loss of the House and the Senate.
In the UK if you include those the current government got about 18% of the vote
In the Netherlands with PR, everyone is registered automatically, turnout was 80% (considered low) the governing coalition got 48% of all potential votes.
Statistics support this. It was insane not to audit every swing state.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Uhf6dNFqbe2G_YvBGAcNEXqFxAEioNBCjr9W8FB1qJ4/edit?tab=t.0
The 2024 election peeled away those layers of rhetoric and exposed White America to the light.
I may be American but Americans are not my ally.
This outcome is so depressing in its predictability and inevitability.
The bar is so low now an ant can't limbo under it.
Bet they’re the first ones to complain. Calling it now.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/07/12/voter-turnout-2018-2022/
THAT is the real problem.
It’s not simply laziness or apathy that keeps ppl from voting.
who chose not to vote.
Officials go through encampments & destroy important papers, birth certificates, social security cards, etc. leaving them worse than they were.
Little respect for humans 🤕😞
In areas with mail in voting there is no reason not to vote if you can. Because if you don’t use your voice, you lose it.
We’re not talking about people who spend their time on social media or doing other things. We are talking about people who literally do not have the time physically.
Are you being serious with this comment right now? Sure, I'll go tell my boss I'll take two weeks off starting tomorrow and pick days throughout the week I just, eh, won't show up.
Wow. The naivety is overflowing.
I've pointed out some like violently clear Russian disinfo accounts on different places and people don't care. They more get upset that I call it out.
He didn't beat Harris.
36.4% of Eligible Voters voted for NO ONE.
That’s shameful…and THE PLACE to start.
#EducateEligibleVoters🇺🇸
ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democrats_(United_States)
Don't forget that trump said muskrat boys voting machine got him the win !!!
Many people still don't have confirmation that their votes were counted !!!
I've never seen a queue in a British Polling station that even compared with a supermarket queue.
Whether in a village hall or a city centre and that is how it should be: equal access
As if not voting accomplishes anything…
I’d love to sit down with these folks and have a chat.
and unfortunate situation of other people pulling the strings just enough.
I wonder, how many nonvoters had their doors knocked on.
I understand but do rarely agree w single issue voters (2A, bodily autonomy).
Seems the Latino vote may be the first to test if Trump “will make no difference” in their lives.
Shame on Harris thinking support for Genocide was more important than defeating Trump.
Mainstream Democrats are just as racist and misogynistic as the Republicans. Not surprising. Archie Bunker, Joe Sixpack will have none of that forced upon them.
Excessive health problems last year, non-running car, blah, blah - didn’t keep me from. Painfully waited in line & would do again!
But revisiting it over & over is not helping us rn.
We need more positivity, more anything, than hindsight or hate. 💜
On the flip side, I do wonder (and fear) how much of it is voter suppression.
On the other hand, old white cis women voted more than anyone else, and they went for Trump on the back of his transphobic hate campaign.
o those that voted for trump
o those that didn't vote
Both are culpable
Mostly because I used to be a non voter back in the 2008 and 2012 election cycles and can openly admit how stupid I was to throw away my vote.
1. The fascist left that didn't vote counting on things getting so fucked up as to present themselves as the only alternative to the other head of the same monster;...
3. The lazy: to paraphrase Jose Martí: the comfort of the fireplace is the enemy of democracy;
In brief, the cowardice of those who decided to let others bear the brunt of the fight for their rights!!!
Imagine the power of a real democracy!!??
The US voting system is NOT democratic...
Whereby there is an insufficient level of democracy compared to the theoretical ideal of a democratic government.
We’ll add those who voted third party to those who didn’t vote…
Its even higher, that’s a whopping 37.39%
Quibbling over details like this is really pointless, what matters is going over why the Democrats were THIS unpopular at all.
News flash: Your vote doesn't matter.
Modern democracies use Proportional Representation election systems, ensuring EVERY vote gets EQUAL rep., every government matches the votes, upping turnout.
i guess it goes to show that blatantly funding a genocide doesn't really attract potential voters lmao
https://www.thenumbersarewrong2024.com/all-topics
Why is everyone treating these election results as fair? Why isn't anyone asking for a recount?
He said publicly well before anyone counted that he has all the votes he needs.
How can anyone forget that?
I am not convinced about election results.
I’m not social media savvy at all..
Find one you like or start your own. But you'll have to actually work at it all the time, not just in the days before & after elections.
I hope you're doing okay.
And like in other healthier democracies:
- President by popular vote. First round if >50%, otherwise second round between top2 candidates.
- Election on a non-working day. With anticipated/mail vote possibility.
- Automatic registration in the area of residence.
ITS ONLY THE LAW IF YOURE FUCKING REGISTERED
Just saying.
Millions aren’t
Where do you have that info from?
FFS Felon is admitting Musk hacked the voting machines!
In a tweet last week Musk wrote "Nothing that can't be hacked."
We gotta do something.
Run for office and be populist and controversial.
Act like winner.
Plus did the men vote for Hillary either??
Over 70M voted for her.
The ignorance is strong with these idiots.
Religious bs and pushing the brainwashed garbage on white men that women can't do things is pathetic.
My wife makes more than me and has more degrees than me. We're both well educated. ☺️
We can surely get a lady as Pres!! Let's change it up😉
Sadly people just don’t care to go out and vote there was a blip in 2020 but that was it
Look at some of the data I shared here
https://bsky.app/profile/thanatosredux.bsky.social/post/3lgb2vx3umc2i
Given the way the swing state numbers don't follow the pattern of the rest of the nation combined with REPs unlikely wins in House and Senate it seems more likely Russia removed voters from rolls so their votes didn't count and paid influencers to lie.
https://www.mind-war.com/p/tribal-council-the-broligarchy-the
i draw data
this illustrates how the very same data can be represented to satisfy one bias or another
a caution: to question everything...and not to take infographics at face value
Maybe my subconscious was saying something
It’s so much more worse during midterms. The left really needs to get its act together in getting people to vote during midterms
https://bsky.app/profile/thanatosredux.bsky.social/post/3lgb2vx3umc2i