People said the US was too racist to elect a black man, but Obama ran on universal healthcare, ending wars, and investing in infrastructure and won by a landslide.
Hillary/Kamala ran on preserving the status quo against a candidate who promised to destroy it.
I'd love that, but after 2024, I think we have a long way to go to get there, unfortunately. Way too many in the US don't have high regard for women, especially in a position of power.
As much as we need a woman, it can’t be until MAGA is gone.
A woman as advisor and any cabinet position, yet.
Harris as AG, yes.
AOC as anything , like a senator first to deepen her resume
They seem to be working towards self selecting out of the gene pool again by putting RFK at the helm… we need to let them be and not impose masks on the next go round. I support the fundamental right to die, whether it’s someone with terminal cancer or someone with terminal narcissism.
Me either. The hope is that we can take measures to protect the most vulnerable at the same time. Society just doesn’t work properly when it’s full of jerks as we’re seeing now. Life is at stake either way unfortunately.
A civilized, common sense society of a majority who know basic right from wrong, who don’t flip lies to convince us the sky is green when we know it’s not, would be great to see again.
We used to agree that attacking cops & the Capitol building was bad. Since 1/6/21, we have defenders of sedition
I’ve been thinking a lot about the ideals of the enlightenment and how it seems we’re stuck in the same struggle hundreds of years later. Discourse was centered around human nature and overcoming barbarianism, which is basically the root narrative of every news headline today.
I agree wholeheartedly we need a civilized society, and it was in a much better state prior to this. But we still had a lot of progress that needed to be made; groups who’ve been historically marginalized & targeted have yet to experience that feeling of safety or civility.
The DNC would sabotage AOC if she started winning primaries much like they did to Bernie. Twice. I don't particularly care if anybody believes me on that or not. There has to be a real reckoning within the party if they're to have any chance to win and quit putting up establishment politicians.
No!!!! She will lose. This nation is unfortunately not ready for a woman president of any political stance. Too many independents will not give her a chance. No no no. Give me a candidate who will win.
they are starting to realize how badly they've been used by the Vile. He is losing their support. First rule of leadership, if you think you're leading and look behind you and see no one... you're just out for a walk. He is scraping the bottom of the bottom of the barrel. 'Kid Rock'. Really?
He also has the media -- and universities -- caving in. You might want to consider the synergistic effect of that much pressure. People who get all their news from the networks are getting disinformation every minute of the day.
Yes, it's his strategy to define truth and reality to fit his wet dream - a creepy crappy shabby fantasy where this shit is ok. I teach critical thinking in IT, comm and business. The SCHOOL may kiss ass, educators do NOT. My news comes from https://ground.news/, European and reliable non-main stream sources
Absolutely not.
Never Trumpers are still republicans who want to eliminate the ACA, overturn Obergefell, privatize Social Security, don’t want to increase minimum wage, are in favor of a national abortion ban and want to give more massive tax cuts to the top 0.01%
Hard pass.
Only two of those three have any substantive accomplishments as politicians. Occasionally Coherent's never passed a damn thing but voted AGAINST most of what President Biden got done.
I will not reward over a quarter century of populist treachery that cheated us of Gore and denied both Hillary and Kamala being "first female president" by giving that title to someone as woefully unworthy as AOC.
The Dem Tops are scared shitless of AOC, and should be, she's everything they aren't. "Blue MAGA" will chime right in with reasons why AOC isn't right for the job. They've been programmed for years to follow the script that led us to fascism. Nothing surprising in many of these comments. Wake up.
Let her win at the least a statewide election first. She’s never had to win over moderates or soft Republicans, but to be president she will, and I would like to see that she’s capable of it.
No, it won't be, and anyone who tells you, anyone who suggests this has no idea how politics works. Trump won against a white woman and a black woman. I have no doubt in my mind that Trump only won because he ran against women both times. Ain't no way they nominate a woman for 2028.
It was never about her emails, it was always because they’re females. Misogyny lost us the ‘16 & ‘24 elections. It’s not going away in 3+ yrs. It’s pathetic that so many ppl can’t handle smart women, but, female here, & I’d rather nominate a dem who can win.
We need to keep sending progressive poc women as dnc president picks. The repubs and maga keep proving themselves wrong, and the only way to get past this “only a white man can win” shit is to keep charging forward with progress.
The last two female Presidential candidates nominated by Democrats gave us 2 terms of Donald Trump. Would she do a good job? Sure. Can she get elected? Can any woman get elected? Do we want to risk 4 years of Don Jr. or whatever horror MAGA comes up with next? Tough question...
She’s not qualified. She has never passed a bill. She knows nothing about foreign policy. She has no national security background nor experience. Knows nothing about intelligence. She’s never run in an election outside of her deep blue district.
Y’all are just ridiculous.
Do you see who is in the Oval office right now? AOC is millions of miles ahead of Trump in every category. The most important decisions a President makes is whom to put in charge of running every aspect of government. A President is only as good as the people that work in their administration.
AOC is bright and understands Constitutional law. Her agenda will be power to the people. That's good.
The Presidency is also not a one person show. They are a leader with advisors. For me a President needs to have a balance of intelligence, confidence as well as empathy and thoughtfulness. 2/2
She has never even passed a bill. She has zero experience in foreign affairs or international relations.
She has never competed in a competitive election.
She is unqualified & can’t win a national election.
The only thing really she has against her is she is young and inexperienced but that is why I think she will focus MORE on putting the best people in charge and not believe she alone can run the show. Trump is a criminal reality tv star. Their expertise is not comparable. 1/
I sincerely hope @aoc.bsky.social runs for president. At face value she’s intelligent, articulate, passionate and capable. Like Bernie Sanders, she seems to genuinely fight for working class people. She’s also one of the few politicians in Washington DC doing the job she was hired for.
For heaven sake people - you aren’t at day 100 yet with the clown. Wow!
As an outsider - and it’s a comment I hear often, the continual election chat/spending/analysis is part of the problem. It’s a lot of coin involved, and that’s what drives the chirping .
I'm not too concerned as to whether it's AOC, Pete, Kamala, Cory ... I'm reminded of a bumper sticker I saw before the 2020 election, maybe? - which said ANY FUNCTIONING ADULT FOR PRESIDENT
Dippy, there are plenty who sat out or voted someone with no shot like Stein as a protest vote, so they are who I was talking about. So as full of yourself as you are, not everything is about you.
When in doubt, start talking about a women of color running for President 4 years from now. Don't worry about the economic collapse or folks being snatched off the streets. Figures it was written by Dick Morris....
And somehow, they've convinced almost everyone that a liberal woman will never be elected president. And because of that, we've been led to believe that no woman can be elected. Why not? Women presidents or their equivalent are common all over the world.
It's not just that. They also refuse to let candidates left of center be the democratic candidate in any election. Liberals are not left wing in any other country except ours. We need to shift the Overton window back to the left if we want our country to ever progress.
Unfortunately America won't accept a women President. Sadly, the racist & male chauvinists won't accept a person of color. The Dems need to find a white male to get us out of this. For the sake of the country. Sad but true!
This is so fucking depressing all the comments calling for a white male. We fucking SUCK!!!!! She would be the BEST president. But I guess mfs don’t think so
You are a petty disgusting boy. Re think your life, loser. I said I don’t like a politician & you decide I should die. Guess what? You are the 3rd Bernie Bro to make the same comment. I report you. You & your buds will NEVER win an election bc you have zero idea of what it takes to be human. Pig.
I’m sorry but suggesting AOC for president is emblematic of the the Democrat’s failure to understand why the con man won. I am all in for Corey Booker.
Anyone thinking AOC has a chance in hell of winning a national election is living in an echo chamber. She’s a representative in a deep blue district who has never run in an election outside of her safe blue district & has never passed a bill.
She has no foreign policy nor national security background nor experience. She’s completely unqualified & has had an unremarkable experience thus far in which she’s achieved very little during her tenure in the House.
Pritzker would be good but I’m liking a Mark Kelly/Raphael Warnock ticket—two swing state senators—one with the national security/foreign policy credentials & the other with great working relationships in the Senate as a team.
I get that, but he seems genuinely most capable of defeating the Republican traitors. He’s really the only one I have seen come out repeatedly calling this for what it is. No double speak. Have booker be Secretary of State, AOC senate leader, and a bull dog like Leticia James or Jack Smith as AG.
Whoever they run, the candidate has to be someone enough Republicans, Independents and magas will get behind. Otherwise, we will have anothet 4 yrs of this.
Imagine if she ran and and Pete joined as vice president. A woman and a gay man 😜
MAGA would go absolutely nuts 🤣🤣😱🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
I mean a black man kicked the ass of a white KKK supreme racist on the Senate floor. Stranger things have happened 🤷
She’ll never win. The United States is far from if ever ready for a female President. 😔 She’s too progressive. We need a young strong moderate candidate
AOC actually stands for something, unlike the previous two female candidates the Democrats ran, who are among the least popular members of their party, another stark difference with AOC.
Constantly trying to shoehorn in moderate candidates is exactly why we keep losing what should be easy elections to Maga politicians. This country is broken. It doesn't work for the majority of the population. So voting for centrists isn't going to change that. We need an actual leftist candidate.
Liberals aren't a left wing party. Look at the global scale and you'll see that Liberals are the moderate party. We need a left wing party to balance out the conservatives or our country will continue shifting further and further to the right.
Does no one remember all the leftists refusing to support Hillary in 2016? Or how popular Sanders has been every single time he's ran for office? Both times he was set to be the candidate the dems pulled strings to get another moderate into the lead.
If Bernie was so popular, he would've won, but he can't attract the base of the party he won't join.
Instead of being pragmatic & voting to ensure the SCOTUS would have a liberal majority, leftists didn't vote.
Trump got impeached trying to smear Biden but encouraged his cult to vote for Bernie.
Let’s not forget: Bernie isn’t a Democrat. He never has been one. He has sought to use the party’s nomination as a vehicle for his own ambitions, but he’s not a Dem. AOC is a Democrat. And she’s a sight better politician than he is.
I’m telling you she or any other woman will not get elected. That’s the way the patriarchy wants it. I like AOC. But even though I like her she’s too far left just like Trump is too far right.
We have tried the moderate candidate for the last 50 years or more. That's exactly why the Overton window has shifted so far to the right. We need someone like AOC to lead the democratic party or our country will continue its descent towards fascism. It's time to shift the window back to the left.
Much as I'd love that, I think Kamala proved that we're just not ready for a woman President yet. If you look at the numbers, Trump didn't have many more votes this time than 2020, but Kamala was several million short from Biden's numbers. 2 guesses why. I'd be afraid of a 2028 repeat. 😕
Walter Mondale, Michael Dukakis, and John Kerry were all straight white men who lost their respective elections, and yet nobody says that the Democrats should stop nominating straight white men as their presidential candidates.
And they famously lost against lesbian women, eh? Listen, as I mentioned, I'd love to see AOC as POTUS, but if the Democrats try it in 2028 there's a very solid chance that we'll wind up with Vance, DT Jr, or, god forbid, MTG as President. Is that truly worth the risk? Another "Trump" for 4-8 years?
I know, hate to admit it, but I was there. 👴 But I don't see how those elections/situations are comparable/relatable to the current discussion on reasons why Trump won against Kamala, and what might happen in 2028 if AOC runs on the Dem ticket.
That was definitely a really big part of it, if the DNC were smart they would have put her at top of the ticket from the start or earlier. Might've even won and then we wouldn't be in this BS we're in now. Not sure where you get 120k though, is that based on electorals? She lost the nat'l by ~2.3mil
Here are the national popular votes from 2020 and 2024:
B: 81,283,501
T: 74,223,975
Dif: 7,059,526
T: 77,302,580
H: 75,017,613
Dif: 2,284,967
I find it hard to believe that those missing 5-6mil votes were just because Kamala pinch hit late. Even if 2-3 mil went to Trump, 2-3 mil stayed home... Why?
Men who aren’t participants in incel culture need to step
up their game and actively disrupt it. Part of the reason Chump won is because of the lack of proper influence between men inside brospheres. Democracy needs feminist men to become full time activists against incel culture. Women are dying.
That will lose. Too much at stake. After the traitors are removed, and we gain back standing with the world, maybe. In other words, not in our lifetime.
Sorry but the 'electability' card has been played too many times and the public just won't engage with another vanilla, 'my friends across the aisle' good ol' boy.
Go with healthcare free at the point of use, parental leave and workers rights.
The public has told us who they will vote for and it seems it very much is the vanilla good ole boy. Hillary- lost
Biden-won
Kamala-lost
Every single Republican up for reelection won. The whitest of white.
We have so many more incredible Dems who will make excellent presidents. Instead we're stuck with a president who wants us all to suffer, fail and face years of hardship.
it's not the right time for her. secretary pete/tim walz 2028.
aoc/maxwell frost in 2032 (not solid on this, bc maxwell is 28 yo right now w/a january 17 birthday). not quite sure if he'd make the 35 yo cut, officially.
I would absolutely vote for her but we've just seen how deeply misogyny runs in this country. Sadly it'll be a while before the country votes for a female president. I hope I'm wrong.
Younger guys are too busy watching porn and playing video games to participate in anything else now.. it opens up space for women to participate in meaningful numbers in future society. Misogyny & suppression requires energy, and the tech bros have captured it in a VR net.
It miiiiight be. She could try but I think more likely it is AOC Senate ‘26 and then hold for a bit. “Way too early” pre-2028 straw poll likely has Cory and Pete #1/2, then her, and then some Dem Govs (IL, KY) thrown in there. Either way, GOP ain’t found of a woman, a gay man, and a black man.
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Hillary/Kamala ran on preserving the status quo against a candidate who promised to destroy it.
She could do it. She’s got great instincts.
she will bring out more crazies
A woman as advisor and any cabinet position, yet.
Harris as AG, yes.
AOC as anything , like a senator first to deepen her resume
We used to agree that attacking cops & the Capitol building was bad. Since 1/6/21, we have defenders of sedition
I think we can all calm down about this, whichever side of the question you’re on.
HOW DO YOU MEAN TO ACCOMPLISH THAT?
Because it won't happen by making pompous proclamations on social media.
If you expect them to take themselves down, you're dreaming. They'll wipe out everything and everyone else before they cannibalize each other.
Never Trumpers are still republicans who want to eliminate the ACA, overturn Obergefell, privatize Social Security, don’t want to increase minimum wage, are in favor of a national abortion ban and want to give more massive tax cuts to the top 0.01%
Hard pass.
And no. She will not be the candidate for president
I will not reward over a quarter century of populist treachery that cheated us of Gore and denied both Hillary and Kamala being "first female president" by giving that title to someone as woefully unworthy as AOC.
And no she won't, not if sanity prevails.
Her myriad bigotries are merely gravy for you, no?
No way did you support the smart lady that just run, no, not fully.
Yer a bottom for sure.
Put Tim Walz at the top of the ticket, with AOC as VP? MAYBE.
I AGREE, KAMALA HARRIS WOULD BE FAR BETTER THAN RUMP. BUT AMERICA IS TOO GODDAMN RACIST/MISOGYNIST.
1. Because I refuse to do bigots work for them
2. Because I can analyze a political race deeper than “SHE MUST HAVE LOST BECAUSE OF HER OVARIES!!!!!”
https://flip.it/pFBFVC
Besides, Corey Booker's filibuster was obviously done to prop him up as the next prez candidate
If it happens that way, good. God hates conservatives - MAGAts need to realize that it was conservatives who crucified their lord.
Y’all are just ridiculous.
The Presidency is also not a one person show. They are a leader with advisors. For me a President needs to have a balance of intelligence, confidence as well as empathy and thoughtfulness. 2/2
She has never competed in a competitive election.
She is unqualified & can’t win a national election.
You people are just ridiculous.
As an outsider - and it’s a comment I hear often, the continual election chat/spending/analysis is part of the problem. It’s a lot of coin involved, and that’s what drives the chirping .
She never speaks to my issues.
Leftists ended "vote blue no matter who".
Normie libs like myself have out own purity tests now.
#Kamala2028
Accept no substitutes.
And the fact you don’t realize that is some scary stuffs…
MAGA would go absolutely nuts 🤣🤣😱🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
I mean a black man kicked the ass of a white KKK supreme racist on the Senate floor. Stranger things have happened 🤷
Explain to me how his record of ignoring racism was going to win a national election please...
Instead of being pragmatic & voting to ensure the SCOTUS would have a liberal majority, leftists didn't vote.
Trump got impeached trying to smear Biden but encouraged his cult to vote for Bernie.
Kamala got within 120k votes of winning.
Literally the only reason she lost was bc she only had 100 DAYS to run.
She nearly pulled off a miracle! Dems should be BEGGING her to run again!
B: 81,283,501
T: 74,223,975
Dif: 7,059,526
T: 77,302,580
H: 75,017,613
Dif: 2,284,967
I find it hard to believe that those missing 5-6mil votes were just because Kamala pinch hit late. Even if 2-3 mil went to Trump, 2-3 mil stayed home... Why?
up their game and actively disrupt it. Part of the reason Chump won is because of the lack of proper influence between men inside brospheres. Democracy needs feminist men to become full time activists against incel culture. Women are dying.
Go with healthcare free at the point of use, parental leave and workers rights.
Give the middle class a reason to vote for you
Biden-won
Kamala-lost
Every single Republican up for reelection won. The whitest of white.
Appealing to a dying generation isn't a long term strategy, younger people want universal healthcare, workers' rights and controls on corporate greed.
aoc/maxwell frost in 2032 (not solid on this, bc maxwell is 28 yo right now w/a january 17 birthday). not quite sure if he'd make the 35 yo cut, officially.
I don’t think Trump will allow that