i sound like a broken record at this point but i think one of the most damaging developments in internet communities (and also the internet in general) is creating spaces where any unqualified idiot is allowed to be wrong as fuck as long as they "mean well" and you're not allowed to be mean to them - ThreadSky | a Reddit-style client for Bluesky

cait.bsky.social • 20 days ago

i sound like a broken record at this point but i think one of the most damaging developments in internet communities (and also the internet in general) is creating spaces where any unqualified idiot is allowed to be wrong as fuck as long as they "mean well" and you're not allowed to be mean to them

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robbedoflife.bsky.social•20 days ago

lol stupid people need to be told they're stupid. That safe space BS just coddles them so they never learn or improve.

weggles.bsky.social•20 days ago

Especially since correcting someone who is factually wrong is seen as overtly hostile 🫤.

"Cats can enjoy a vegetarian diet"

"actually cats are obligate carnivores and require meat to be healthy"

"why are you so mean" etc

shuchancellor.online•20 days ago

I've been told I'm really mean. To the assholes you know. Because I should be polite about the Shit I Already Know. And I'm aware in general I'm somewhat abrasive, so, I try to temper that somewhat. But we also live in a time of chaos.

electricmood.bsky.social•20 days ago

Fuck that, man. Tell em they suck when they suck. I was polite and full of decorum, all it did was attract hypocrites and people who won't have my back when shit hits the fan.

shuchancellor.online•20 days ago

I employ all manner of stratagems depending on my opponent, have no fear, brave commander, Zhuge Liang's claws remain sharp.

apocalizzy.bsky.social•20 days ago

Best conversation I've ever seen in reply to this post

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sadmoths.bsky.social•20 days ago

people nead to learn to take being wrong with grace or shut the fuck up!
being told you're wrong is not a personal injury!

dmitrim.bsky.social•20 days ago

In fact, someone telling you when you’re wrong is generously doing you a favor.

When I’m wrong and somebody corrects me with good information I THANK them.

Makes me feel unwell that people don’t understand this.

oldpappythomas.bsky.social•20 days ago

related i like when people come in swinging angrily but if you chirp back they get all uwu smol bean like you're the jerk. had a guy come in swinging at me talking about guillotines because he didn't understand a joke I made then went all "oh uhh i'm not trying to make enemies" when i shot back lmao

oldpappythomas.bsky.social•20 days ago

(not sure how you're going to run the guillotines and do mass executions of the rich if someone getting snarky turns you into an uwu smol bean but that's a different issue)

goblinmode.com•20 days ago

before large centralized platforms , moderators had the ability to just say “well everyone hates your vibe so we’re going to exile your stupid ass” and it was great ! bring it back!!

silverboots.bsky.social•20 days ago

“The road to Hell is paved with good intentions,” my mother used to say.

fredtaming.bsky.social•20 days ago

and 10/10 times its a real 'complain when every kid gets a trophy' type

ds00n.bsky.social•19 days ago

That disgusting aspect of tribalism predates the internet (see: Letter from a Birmingham Jail), but boy howdy did so many fandom brains show their true colors about it with the net, yeah.

lady-lyzzie.bsky.social•20 days ago

True. Speaking in person certainly keeps people on better behavior. The anonymity that the internet offers is, sometimes, too tempting. I am guilty of this as well.

chetsucks.com•20 days ago

This ends up being the number one reason I block someone these days... but he was nice! So what...

the-code-to-hell.bsky.social•19 days ago

I changed my mind about the way that content platforms are protected - absolved of responsibility for the harms done by those dynamics.

YouTube, FaceBook, Twitter etc. get millions of people to work for mostly free, AND they bear no legal responsibility for the damage their volunteer creators do.

williedustice.bsky.social•19 days ago

Yes I also hate all of Reddit

lots42.bsky.social•20 days ago

It took a long time to for my mom to understand her real life friends sure actually do mean well but that they are still (sometimes) conveying wrong information. By accident.

This was a thing my mom didn't understand for years. The possibility of being innocently wrong.

cait.bsky.social•20 days ago

it's all part and parcel of the american obsession with civility over everything else. people will straight up post advice that will kill your dog and if you tell them to shut up they're like "i was trying to help, why are you attacking me" and then YOU get put in time out about it

angorafish.bsky.social•19 days ago

"Civil" is not a word I have ever heard used to describe Americans as a group before.

phoenixcalida.bsky.social•20 days ago

This is the part that gets me. Because of you did take their advice and it killed your dog, suddenly then you have a right to be upset.

Why can't we be upset preemptively? Why does it have to be after real life consequences?

pastapilled.hastwt.net•20 days ago

Because you were right too early. We can only be reactionary /s

nvinciblesummer.bsky.social•20 days ago

Same soup as cops saying shit like "I can't do anything about your stalker etc until something happens to you" guess I'll die?

pastapilled.hastwt.net•20 days ago

Or best case, it's bullying zero tolerance policy where the kid who was getting picked on gets the same detention as the bully bc "they were fighting." Its unhelpful and teaches the wrong lesson.

shuchancellor.online•20 days ago

I think "Coop" on YT released a video talking about this exact genre of person over on tiktok, including those weirdo parenting influencers.

aphetoros.bsky.social•20 days ago

Can't find it - which video?

shuchancellor.online•20 days ago

Here you go:

https://youtu.be/0PtRjpWuQp4?si=qzTegZUHrdUDU_ZK

aphetoros.bsky.social•20 days ago

Oh man, the thumbnail 😭

asterionhex.monster•20 days ago

I barely ever watch stuff like this and I’ll be watching this one on the strength of that thumbnail alone

nataliek.bsky.social•20 days ago

Yep. Our local moms group has this “Holistic” nurse practitioner who disguises her posts as advertisements for her practice. On Sunday she was advocating skipping mammograms to get her special “non radiation thermal imaging” for cancer diagnosis. Of course I got in trouble for calling out her bs.

chopsolutely.bsky.social•20 days ago

This has only gotten more true now that, for some inexplicable reason, people will AI search something they know nothing about and proceed to try to pass as an expert. Embarrassing those people is doing a favor for both them and society.

feemus.bsky.social•20 days ago

I agree with your description of the problem/people, but this doesn’t seem like civility over everything else—it is DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender).

andreadelsarto.bsky.social•20 days ago

unless you are a nazi, then incivility is just fine

anonymousdunmer.bsky.social•20 days ago

Exactly, everybody needs to get along, but the bullies and bad people are allowed to do what they want. It makes me feel like so many people secretly agree with them or are cowards or both. Like they're mad they don't feel brave enough to be a bully too. But they don't need bravery to be a bully. 😞

andreadelsarto.bsky.social•20 days ago

yes it's the paradox of tolerance: please don't call me a white supremacist even though I consistently vote for candidate supported by the Klan and the Proud Boys because that's not tolerant. The reality is that to protect tolerance we must be intolerant of those views.

jamesbelcher.bsky.social•20 days ago

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lots42.bsky.social•20 days ago

The horror movie 'See For Me'. The main lady was lucky enough to find a makeshift club after being tackled by a bloodthirsty bad guy. She hit the guy in the head with the club so many, many times the club busted apart in her hand.

Good for her, she made a wise tactical decision.

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actionscripter.bsky.social•20 days ago

I'm slowly entering my Being Mean To Idiots era. I'll gladly discuss with someone who says "is this right" or "can someone explain this" or "I'm not sure", but if they come in and assert a lie, they get slapped. I say "I don't know" all the time. It's not hard. Just don't make shit up??

stgwi.bsky.social•20 days ago

This is also a problem in offline spaces, at least for the rich and powerful. None of them have faced any punishment for torture programs, blowing up the economy, or doing coups. A few have gotten mild pushback for sexual assault and they act like the sky has fallen

thesharmat.bsky.social•20 days ago

This is exactly why "freedom of speech" is bad, and exactly what we get when even the most idiotic, disingenuous, hateful, misinformed is treated as a valid viewpoint worthy of consideration

thabiz42.bsky.social•19 days ago

Isn’t that what cyberbullying is really made for?

theactualbrian.bsky.social•19 days ago

And on top of that, in their minds, they were awesome, because they can't see the immediate and visceral reaction to their stupidity.

Even when they're told later, if that happens, they can ignore it or imagine that 'everyone' agrees with them, block dissent, there are no social consequences.

hummens.bsky.social•20 days ago

I must have missed that, online spaces to my recollection have always been brutal spaces to navigate to a large extent, especially when people are misbehaving.

Anyway, bollocks to civility, when people are chatting shit, tell them.

craighayes.me•20 days ago

I began to see this at the tail end of my academic studies, where it started to become painfully obvious that professors were becoming increasingly wary of correcting students for dumbass takes.

naomishambles.bsky.social•20 days ago

we stopped bullying early and often and now the country is collapsing.

misterjayem.bsky.social•20 days ago

My brother-in-law has long contended that our society's biggest problem is the improper distribution of bullying -- some people get way too much, but other people don't get enough.

python357.bsky.social•20 days ago

it’s not even bullying though, really. if someone says something stupid and you tell them the thing they said was stupid, that isn’t “bullying”. they may not like hearing it but it’s just the truth

lots42.bsky.social•20 days ago

That's what 'broke the veil' for so many re: Elon. He had a meltdown when the cave diving expert politely dismissed Elon's cave diving sub suggestion. Normal people would say 'Damn. Hope you rescue those kids safe, though'. Not Elon.