Repeating my call for Denmark (and other European countries) to very ostentatiously start hiring America's scientists. - ThreadSky

emptywheel.bsky.social • 34 days ago

Repeating my call for Denmark (and other European countries) to very ostentatiously start hiring America's scientists.

Reposted from Christina Areizaga Barbieri, Ph.D.

I’m an NSF panel reviewer that was scheduled to meet today. Just got notice that all NSF panels were canceled today. I reviewed some innovative proposals in support of students. Devastating if these scholars don’t get to do this work. For the love of science & students I hope this is just a delay.💔

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rjspoon99.bsky.social•33 days ago

Canada will welcome them too.

rayinrichmond.bsky.social•33 days ago

I'm hoping that a lot of our 🇨🇦 doctors and nurses decide that it's time to come back home.

beege4.bsky.social•34 days ago

And not to opt for remote. Get out and get safe.

allcaps-22.bsky.social•34 days ago

Jobs at Novo Nordisk Foundation. https://apply.workable.com/novonordiskfoundation/

gaz254.bsky.social•33 days ago

I also wish my country would start hiring - among the first would be scientists originally from my country who went to the US when a conservative government here slashed funding for scientific research.

bigg95973.bsky.social•34 days ago

We can take them in CA.
We’re going out on our own.

czarreed.bsky.social•33 days ago

If European countries opened their doors to American immigrants there would be a massive brain drain.

martinkroeger.bsky.social•34 days ago

There are a lot of positions available these days, too: https://www.novonordisk.com/careers/find-a-job/career-search-results.html?searchText=&countries=Denmark&categories=

shanahstone.bsky.social•33 days ago

I actually thought about this today. The best American scientists and researchers are going to go to other countries where they are supported and appreciated.

pfiore8.bsky.social•34 days ago

EU ought to negotiate with Russia and Ukraine: cede a part of Ukraine demilitarized buffer zone and Ukraine becomes NATO member. Offer to both Russia and China improved relationships for trade, student exchanges, climate... they can sell leaving the USofA behind.

judyblue007.bsky.social•33 days ago

They don't want people to be educated. Everybody in my circle who voted for Trump has disdain and cynicism towards higher ed.

deadkandance.bsky.social•33 days ago

I just don't get that. They certainly benefit from having an educated population.

RevPudDudley.mas.to.ap.brid.gy•34 days ago

@emptywheel.bsky.social
Remember we've heard of Russia & Iran [for example] having a major "brain drain", probably accelerating.
Our turn now
[let it begin with with me ! ]

there was that survey of Chinese multi-millionaires suggesting that Priority 1 is
... to get the hell out of China

midefd.bsky.social•34 days ago

I said this a month ago. If I'm the Ministry of Health in France/UK/Australia/Germany, I'd be looking to poach NIH/CDC scientists, offer them competitive salaries, visas for their families w/fast track to permanent residency/citizenship.

4purpose.bsky.social•33 days ago

We have a shortage of these skills in Australia but our government would be too scared to come out and actively recruit them.

drshowup.bsky.social•33 days ago

Yes let’s dumb down America. That for sure will make America Great? WTF?

grudgingoptimist.bsky.social•34 days ago

What is worse is that our adversaries will start hiring them

heavymetalhippie.bsky.social•33 days ago

They should do it like the NFL draft. Have all of their premier institutions in an order and let each one choice one. And broadcast it with a full rundown of how accomplished their selections are.

marcellograz.bsky.social•34 days ago

Europe has started this trend. The continent is a mix of hyper-protectionist xenophobia and gop-style strangling of higher ed. Has been for 5 years. Hope is not there.

blacklabstwo.bsky.social•34 days ago

We used to be a beacon of democracy, science and intellect. Now we’re a punchline.

silvered-mane.bsky.social•34 days ago

Let the brain-drain begin.

extex1013.bsky.social•34 days ago

The blue states need to join WHO and have our own system for everything.
Food safety, environment and public health all linked to world organizations

beege4.bsky.social•34 days ago

Exactly what I expressed to a consortium of governors -- reached Pritzker, Newsom, Moore and Walz here.

extex1013.bsky.social•34 days ago

100%

timelord7.bsky.social•33 days ago

Perhaps indeed replace what fed govt would do...

parsingphase.dev•34 days ago

You might want to be aware of Denmark’s racist forced assimilation policies before you get too enthusiastic about it:

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2020/10/un-human-rights-experts-urge-denmark-halt-contentious-sale-ghetto-buildings

kenhes.bsky.social•33 days ago

Yes! The brain drain will be seismic.

soso008.bsky.social•34 days ago

It’s woke so it ain’t temporary. Education is woke to them!

rayosunlong.bsky.social•34 days ago

My son is a recent PhD recipient in Materials Science Engineering, and I’ve been telling him to look at the European job market.

silvered-mane.bsky.social•34 days ago

Ditto. My kid's just a sophomore (en route to an eventual Ph.D.) and that's all I tell her - get out of the USA.

redargutor.bsky.social•34 days ago

Academia in Europe is highly competitive, with permanent positions being quite rare. However, the pharmaceutical industry is thriving and offers abundant opportunities

davids8663.bsky.social•34 days ago

America was the beneficiary of the brain drain. Trump is doing his best to encourage others to do it.

prostheticej.bsky.social•33 days ago

China is about to.

timelord7.bsky.social•33 days ago

Our of the frying pan and into the fire with that one. EU Canada UK Switzerland and the such. Brasil. Chile...

robinbrenizer.bsky.social•33 days ago

I hope they will. The world will still benefit from research these scientists do in western democracy countries and we can all benefit from that. Orange 47 will only get in their way. Possibly demonize them again or worse.

bookerator.bsky.social•34 days ago

Yes please!!! My kids, newly minted with PhDs in hand, are ready, willing and able to move to any country that will offer them research or university teaching positions. And the last one will have theirs soon—ready to leave this country behind.

mech0t1.bsky.social•34 days ago

I said the same about Canada, especially those who are gonna get kicked out of the US because they’re on a certain kind of visa

ksargent.bsky.social•34 days ago

For those American scientists who don't already speak it, now would be a fine time to start learning Mandarin.

rootragic11.bsky.social•34 days ago

They’d be very welcome in Australia. Easy transition. Free health care and so much more….!🇦🇺

mitch56.bsky.social•33 days ago

Australia is almost as backward politically as USA. There are better choices.

rootragic11.bsky.social•33 days ago

Such ignorance on full display for all to see. Well done you! 🤣

barbie4science.bsky.social•32 days ago

Have you tried our preferential voting system?

Plus voting is compulsory, gets people involved. People powered politics.

Here's how it works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC_QqArDDiQ&list=PL_oP0ajyhYQn0r5BgW7YqNGcJL-MykVES&index=8

barbie4science.bsky.social•32 days ago

Not a good idea - Australia is full of dangerous beasts and we drive on the left.

rootragic11.bsky.social•32 days ago

That’s just the humans! Wait till they come face to face with the creatures! 🤣

townandcountry.bsky.social•34 days ago

Hey, Wheel: how are you and Ireland after the storm?

emptywheel.bsky.social•34 days ago

I'm fine, thanks. Lots of others still trying to get power and water back on.

wilken.bsky.social•33 days ago

They're not going to have much to do in America it seems

nobpeck.bsky.social•34 days ago

My nephew, the physicist, is in Sweden. He should probably stay there.

maximummary.bsky.social•34 days ago

Switzerland has a consulate in a residential neighborhood halfway between Harvard and MIT.

artemisprime.bsky.social•33 days ago

I love the Swiss consulate here! I used to know someone who worked there and would sometimes attend their events

maximummary.bsky.social•33 days ago

I’ve only walked by, but I always get a kick out of it. Grew up in DC area, going to events at embassies, the consulate is so chill.

*going to events at embassies=Girl Scout volunteer at the annual embassy tea and tours

paulliemoonbeam.bsky.social•33 days ago

And I am calling for those scientists to get political and drag Trump down into Hell where he belongs, BEFORE they need a job overseas.

ravenna321.bsky.social•33 days ago

Sadly, I think we're looking at a four year delay

artemisprime.bsky.social•33 days ago

I will be looking for a job soon! Interested in staying in science or perhaps moving to a liberal think tank where I can focus full time on how to take down Trump, haha.

pharoute.bsky.social•33 days ago

Didn't scientists flee Germany in the 1930s? Huh what a crazy coincidence

moethemick1.bsky.social•34 days ago

Let's say you're right?
But, we both know he is incapable of an intelligent decision.
So there is that. 😞

tippityboo.bsky.social•34 days ago

It’s not about intelligent decisions, it’s about strategically eliminating people who will dissent. Straight out of Authoritarianism 101.

auntifafa.bsky.social•33 days ago

Hello Denmark
Senior leadership
- published expertise experience in immunology oncology

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