Yeah, 8gb is more like MacBook "meh". If a laptop has less RAM than the latest Samsung Galaxy, it should be classified as a netbook. But, you know...apple gots that juice.
Same for Lenovo for selling budget laptops with 4 GB of RAM and come with freaking Windows 11 installed. All the reviews complain that they are unusable, even with no apps open.
That makes the decision not to switch to Mac easy. I couldn’t give up my 128 GB RAM. Even a refurbished Mac Studio or M2 Ultra is over $5k and 8k respectively to match what I have in my laptop.
Um, let me refer you to South Park Cred episode. It is marketing 101 and the desired strategy for a captured market. I know. South Park can be ridiculous, but they make it easy to understand for none business majors. Hope that helps :) since it's not going to change.
You’re stuck with it for as long as you keep it. In pro settings, that’s 2 years. As an individual, if you intend to keep your Mac for 5 years or more, then 8 could certainly get in the way of that. If you want a device that allows adding memory or other components, a PC is a much better option.
Agreed. Apple MUST produce all their phone ipads and watches and computers macbooks
under MAGA. USA is first apple need to pay taxes in USA and hire American workers.
The only reason they made 16 standard now is because all the last models weren’t able to run Apple Intelligence on 8. This right after they defended 8GB to death, even saying it’s equal to 16 on windows.
please stop threatening jail, when we should abolish prisons entirely.
I know its just a "joke" to some, but it is literally slavery and I dont think that is something that should be joked about
I still don't understand how a small HTTP service in Rocket produces a 16GB cargo cache. Same with node_modules. Are there 3D models in these dependencies? Even Chrome isn't 16GB of code+objects.
I have a lot of dependencies and with a few cargo updates it does get very big. Compile time is fine, but the cargo cache definitely eats up space. Once you add npm and other projects, 256gb won't even be enough to update the OS unless you clean it all
It does sound like you need an external SSD for that. It would fix your issues and isn't an unreasonable solution. My only problem with Apple is that everything is soldered on even though the modern slots like NVMe and SODIMM are about just as efficient as having it soldered.
I think what's worse is that we can't upgrade the memory or storage options internally (barring resoldering new modules after desoldering the old ones).
The new Mac mini starts at 16gb now I think. Lowkey the base model Mac mini might be the best deal in tech rn. Just don’t fall for their upgrade pricing. Upgrades from apple are ridiculously expensive.
If good price then snag one. If you don’t want Apple Intelligence then they are power houses. 8 gig is plenty the way osx uses memory. Only the internal LLM model needs that extra ram
Nope. Why would I ? OSX can do just about anything I want to do. The only thing I use one of my Linux machines is to native read the EXT3 file formats for f the Dish Network Hoppers so I can copy and increase or split EHD sizes
Docker’s pretty core to a bunch of infrastructure and hard for me to avoid, and boy is it a memory hog. I’ve got 16G and have to kill my browser sometimes just to test an image
Ever hear of Swap space? Those can be swapped out as plain apps, while the LLM cannot as part of the kernel as a mesh DB
The kernel used to be about ~4g while the LLM is a min 4 as it’s a mesh DB.
That’s the reason only the 📱15 Pros can run it but not the regular ones. Pros came with more ram
I know about swap, and if you knew about it as well, you'd know that it works independently of the type of application that is used.
The reason why old iPhones can't use it, is because iOS has no swap.
They are very painful to use even if you are doing only chrome. In my company we've decided to offload all 8gb mac's. Oldest CPU we have is m1 16 gigs.
So you’re talking SSD? Well sort of agree. But with iCloud and Dropbox offloading and dynamic reload not a big deal. And if local you ever try the Thunderbolt to nVME drive interface. Just like native SSD but lots more storage
Reading through these comments, it’s wild to see how many people not only accept, but vocally defend Apple selling 8GB of memory and 256GB of storage on $1000+ dollar computers. Being great devices that are hamstrung by corporate greed are two things that can exist simultaneously
I have an M2 air with 8gb that I used CC points to buy. Surprisingly a decent machine as long as you aren’t doing anything crazy or etc. I just do frontend work/personal projects and it works great. It isn’t powerful enough for Apple Intelligence though. They are defaulting to 16b for it.
The web is many things these days, but lightweight is not one of them. Which is a shame because simplicity was part of the original intent.
Gopher still sticks to that (yes, it is still around).
One could implement ecological standards for homepages. Would that be cool? I think that might be a plus for users. Like: I love to use ecology friendly homepages…
8 GB of RAM isn't enough now? Man, I remember when 4 GB was enough to do anything a decade ago! Applications have gotten way more powerful in just a short amount of time!
All macs, even the ones with M2 and M3 chips are now being sold with 16GB RAM minimum.
You may find a lot of 8GB machines being discounted in Black Friday as there are still a lot in stock. But I think they did the right thing here.
Now let's talk about the SCUMMY expensive upgrade options. WTF.
It's now 16GB, so the Apple A.I. will work. They do still sell them with a base amount of 256Gb though. So after the OS and a few apps you are out of space.
Money is the reason why. They want you to upgrade and spend like 200 for an extra 8 gigs. Everything is a way to squeeze more profits out of the consumer.
There were phones with 16gb ram in 2019. It's criminally stupid to buy and just plain criminal to sell these, especially with no simple way to up the amount yourself
I have 2022 MBP with 8 gigs of RAM and I must say I'm quite happy with it. But of course, it depends on what people want from their computer. 8 gigs of RAM on a MacBook is quite different than 8 gigs of RAM on a Windows laptop.
I always wonder though, will we keep needing more RAM each year until the universe runs out? I don't think needing 16GB of RAM in 2024 is something to be proud of. Our hardware keeps having to get faster because our software keeps getting slower.
I would strongly argue against this. As a software dev with 9y in the industry, I have never ever seen or heard of this, why on earth would I code something that runs on a machine they have not made yet? only to wait for the machine to be made?
I can confidently assure you it's the other way around
Fair point, but then why is it an issue if Apple makes computers with only 8GB of RAM? If what you say is true, no one would have developed software for entry level MacBooks that needed more than 8GB of RAM, so there would be no need for any more than 8GB.
Also, when a software says "8gb ram required", it's not literal. It won't use 8gb of ram by itself, that would be unusable. The 8Gb are a "recommendation" for all the ram available so that said software, plus the OS, plus other software can run smoothly. Program itself will likely use 2gb or so.
There might be a misconception here. It's generally not 1 software that needs that much ram, but rather all software that runs on the machine, OS included.
So it's not exactly "someone wrote a program that needs 8g ram and that's an issue". Modern programs need more ram, 8gb is not enough, period.
I mainly just think we could do better, and I fear the whiplash when we do reach the physical limit of how much RAM can go in a computer (the limit of transistor size/cost).
The Saturn V went to the moon with less than a megabyte of RAM. Literal rocket science needs less RAM than Chrome.
Lastly, hardware manufacturers are certainly not "struggling" to keep up. They want to sell more, they don't care if that hardware is needed at all, if they can make it more powerful they will just make it, cause they know they will sell it.
Your point is unnecessarily lexical, it doesn't matter what I said, makes no change. Fact is modern computers have more resources which allows programs to do more, so developers code using more resources, cause they exist.
I insist though that no software uses 8gb ram, that's not how it works.
I completely agree, it's the main reason I have to upgrade my M1! I've decided to go for 24gb this time not the new base 16gb, try future proof a little more...
on where?
A couple weeks ago they increased the minimum RAM to 16GB (for the same price as the previous 8GB config) so if it was an external store, it'll take a bit before all their current stock is cleared
The Apple Store still had them. I had gone to the one at my mall and they had the 8GB ram MacBook Pros. They tried selling me one but as a graphic designer I needed more
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Me, I was like “No”.
Thinkpad supremacy!!
A RAM of 32GB should be the minimum with the base.
why i need more ram?
for fuck sakes....
under MAGA. USA is first apple need to pay taxes in USA and hire American workers.
In any case, all new model Macs have 16GB. It's just residual channel that's 8GB.
Why a mbp though? 10 years ago it would have been retina VS standard screen. Now, no idea.
I know its just a "joke" to some, but it is literally slavery and I dont think that is something that should be joked about
#communism #cummies #scat
Asking for a friend.
How do you imprison a corporation?
The kernel used to be about ~4g while the LLM is a min 4 as it’s a mesh DB.
That’s the reason only the 📱15 Pros can run it but not the regular ones. Pros came with more ram
The reason why old iPhones can't use it, is because iOS has no swap.
The hardware experience on Macs just can’t be replicated. The trackpad alone is worth the purchase
[Yeah, I know Apple Silicon is a SoC, but still...]
*shrug*
Ehrm, no, it is not. It *vastly* matters what the workload is. Considering web browsers, 16GiB should be standard these days.
Gopher still sticks to that (yes, it is still around).
Comprehensive testing begs to disagree.
You may find a lot of 8GB machines being discounted in Black Friday as there are still a lot in stock. But I think they did the right thing here.
Now let's talk about the SCUMMY expensive upgrade options. WTF.
I actually have an 8gb m1 which works great.
I had Safari with a few tabs on the new Mac mini and decided to take a peak in activity monitor...9GB RAM utilization 😅
The problem is though that they can because the Apple Silicon is extremely competitive against x86 now.
The 3d graphics still have a way to go but productivity is better at the same cost... until you need more storage/memory.
- former apple employee.
I can confidently assure you it's the other way around
So it's not exactly "someone wrote a program that needs 8g ram and that's an issue". Modern programs need more ram, 8gb is not enough, period.
The Saturn V went to the moon with less than a megabyte of RAM. Literal rocket science needs less RAM than Chrome.
I think it's a sign of inefficiency that modern software has become so needy that hardware (and hardware manufacturers) has to struggle to keep up.
I insist though that no software uses 8gb ram, that's not how it works.
A couple weeks ago they increased the minimum RAM to 16GB (for the same price as the previous 8GB config) so if it was an external store, it'll take a bit before all their current stock is cleared