The rise of far right young men is ultimately a failure of fatherhood. If fathers fail to teach their sons about healthy masculinity they will seek a new daddy in a dictator.
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The whole of UK media appears to be trying to nudge us all towards the right, in much the same way as guns in 9 out of 10 Hollywood movies seems to normalise gun violence.
That's not about fatherhood.
Poor role models can definitely be a factor in developing extreme and/or unpleasant views.
Shit economic and social conditions, mental health issues, online radicalisation and low self-esteem are also large factors, and these are all serious problems right now.
1+ for the humans as hairless apes resigned to Monkey see, Monkey Do as the starting point of human culture. And Capitalism is a cultural project, before it is an economic project. 1/
With respect, it is so much more complex. One of my sons has no one in his friendship group that hasn't lost a mate to suicide. Upheaval, changing expectations, messages of 'privelege' their experience doesn't match with, a system that means there seems to be no future for them. It's heartbreaking.
Blame Capitalism, billionaires, soaring inequality and a defunded education system.
Not men who did the best available to them under bad circumstances.
I understand the origins of your misandry, but have a word with yourself.
Some fathers don't get the chance to be a parent. I'm sure a lot of people have experienced women blocking access.
I'm a proud woke member of the Green party, my brother is a far right ultra bastard wife beating anti gay racist go figure that out.
Erm, I'm not sure about that, and blaming fathers is just exacerbating the issue. There are many reasons why so many young men (even those brought up in loving homes by great role models) are erroneously looking to the far right for solutions. Maybe we need a minister for young people?
I'm baffled as to why people are so fixated with Tanksii.
As far as I'm concerned she uses the exact same tactics of the right, sweeping over simplification & sensationalism. She believes & feels, she won't evidence her claims.
Thing is the right understand what they're doing, Tanksii doesn't.
She'll often have what she thinks are profound revelations and then will block the people who show them to be ill thought out, oversimplifications with very little academic evidence to back them up.
Men or women...my amazing daughter already has an excellent understanding of right and wrong. Let's just hope this effed up world doesn't rob her of her instincts.
While I’d concede it as a big factor, I don’t think you can pin the blame entirely on that. There’s the role of ‘society’ as a whole, the notion of it ‘taking a village to raise a child’ etc, the selfishness encouraged by the Thatcher era - we’re really reaping the dividend of that 50 years on.
You might have a point. But have you heard of this guy, Curtis Yarvin? He wasn't even on my radar til about a week ago. His perverse societal prescription is currently being enacted. Worth arming yourself with information about him if you haven't already done so.
Viewed through his lens what's happening makes sense. Someone posted a wee video talking about him, which is how I came across him, but then I couldn't find it to repost! Trouble is, it reads like a dystopian novel. Everything is moving so fast, there will be nothing left to save soon.
exactly...i mean supposedly there are 4 years of this...the truth is, unless this gets ousted it will be forever...the most dangerous stuff i have read has been about this fella in the last 2 days...utterly horrifying
Maybe, but I learned how *not* to behave from my toxic, now permanently estranged, father.
I figure if I act in the exact opposite way from how he would in any given situation, then I can’t go too far wrong.
This may well be an important factor in toxic masculinity. But I still can't get my head round why so many women ended up voting for Trump. With at least half the electorate being women, no misogynist rapist should ever be elected
A simple teaching of "don't be a piece of shit" would help, but they too need to be taught that lesson, but they've got a stick so far up their backside that they won't flex to such beliefs...
I feel genuinely lucky that, having grown up without a father that I didn't end up like this. Then again, I went to school with plenty of lads whose fathers were the ones to teach them to become the Robinson and Tate-worshipping scum they are today.
Let's not be guilty of over simplifying something. If it was simply a father/son issue then no one would ever have moved on from their grandparents position.
This is a pretty sweeping statement and doesn’t really help. I’m lucky enough to be in a fully functioning family where myself and my wife both inspire and develop our children together. I have seen some men who are great fathers but have been denied the opportunity for a multitude of reasons.
Christ you do know you’ve just played into the hands of the twats that say the only good family is a heterosexual couple that stays together no matter what?!
Teaching me compassion and morality has left me confused and depressed because the humans are not honest actors. Someone should have been honest with me and admitted our purpose is to poison the rivers so we can build the weapons to keep us from being enslaved. It's better to not create participants
Do you have any historical evidence of humans being a good idea because I don't think it exists. You cannot have a purpose outside of your weapons and pollution network.
I hate to say this, and I’m doing so as a gamer & a hobbyist game dev, but I think that the culture surrounding video games, & the barely moderated communities in & around them, are a part of the problem too. Parents don’t get how easy it is for their kids to be groomed by the far-right online.
Indeed. Parental influence wanes pretty quickly past a certain age. Friends, classmates and teachers have a much bigger impact later on. Online forums can be extremely influential.
Whilst you're fundamentally right, the peer effect and how that is shaped by social media is not easy to fight against. As teenagers, we're motivated to move away from our parents. Tate et al have a seductive "alpha" message for disaffected teen boys. Still up to us as parents to counter that.
My dad died when I was just 11
However, he taught me politeness , how to box (I was one of the smallest in my class) and that "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me"
I suppose what I am trying to say is that it's the early years that count 🙏
So many people in this thread viewing fatherhood as the biological father. There are many father figures in society but it’s the lack of positive male father figures in society and positive masculine role models that is the problem.
It’s deeper than that. The far right is attracting young men because they’ve spent their whole life in a mire of shit. No prospects, no investment, a sea of zero hours contracts and being told to be better
I get why they’d decide enough is enough and turn to the cunt who’s promising some tangible.
Yes - far right grifters have constantly told them to blame immigrants for taking homes, benefits etc and people like Tate have added the layer of "DEI schemes teach companies to hate men". It's right there for all to see and no surpise.
Saying "lol have a better Dad" isn't the way to tackle this.
Fathers obviously do have a responsibility but this was in response to a post which put the blame entirely on them. Trying to pin the blame on an entire group of people is similar to the divisive rhetoric which got us into this mess.
Local kid outside the high school, refusing to let me past, I asked him if he spoke to his mother like that, he said; “Bitch, my mother knows her place. My da makes sure of that.”
The kids with the problems come from parents with bigger ones.
My Dad has severe brain damage and couldn’t possibly help in any way growing up. I’m pretty sure I’ve turned out fine. I’m afraid this take is over-simplified and a bit insulting.
It’s partly a failure of ‘parenthood’. Masculinity is an innate characteristic. It’s neither healthy, or toxic. You’d probably scream at me if I used the words ‘toxic femininity’. There’s only toxic people. And people who see life through a polarised lens, for sometimes understandable reasons.
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That's not about fatherhood.
The number of people I hear who are otherwise normal repeating common tropes about immigrants, asylum seekers and "lefty lawyers" is astounding.
If you see something enough times you start to believe it. It doesn't matter if you don't read the newspapers, you see the headlines everywhere.
Poor role models can definitely be a factor in developing extreme and/or unpleasant views.
Shit economic and social conditions, mental health issues, online radicalisation and low self-esteem are also large factors, and these are all serious problems right now.
Not men who did the best available to them under bad circumstances.
I understand the origins of your misandry, but have a word with yourself.
Numpties: MISANDRY!
I'm a proud woke member of the Green party, my brother is a far right ultra bastard wife beating anti gay racist go figure that out.
As far as I'm concerned she uses the exact same tactics of the right, sweeping over simplification & sensationalism. She believes & feels, she won't evidence her claims.
Thing is the right understand what they're doing, Tanksii doesn't.
But the generic "not every post is about you" response has annoyed me because it's such a cop out.
It's like me posting "All women are dickheads" then when a woman takes offence to that, I say "this isn't about you".
Ringing any Brexity bells with you? Same thing.
She'll often have what she thinks are profound revelations and then will block the people who show them to be ill thought out, oversimplifications with very little academic evidence to back them up.
The matriarchy has much to blame
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin
clearly trump is following this guys takedown of american government
I figure if I act in the exact opposite way from how he would in any given situation, then I can’t go too far wrong.
It's a factor but it isn't the only one.
I'm surprised she hasn't blocked you for pointing it out.
However, he taught me politeness , how to box (I was one of the smallest in my class) and that "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me"
I suppose what I am trying to say is that it's the early years that count 🙏
No wonder the bears are winning and fascism is growing.
I get why they’d decide enough is enough and turn to the cunt who’s promising some tangible.
Saying "lol have a better Dad" isn't the way to tackle this.
30+ years of neoliberal economics and poltics are much more to blame for it
but now you're calling in sisters as well?
Why can't men take even a smidgeon of responsibility for masculinity without any of this shady nonsense?
Take it, own it, do better.
There is no one else.
You can argue they seem to be doing a pretty poor job, esp if absent, but clearly that is the job of a father.
This might have a greater effect on them than how their dads behave
Incidentally, there were women involved in the recent riots
On average men are more violent than women but only on average
The nos of young men lost to the far right is a failure of fatherhood.
They deserve better.
But by all means retreat to the old trope that blames women for men's failures...
The kids with the problems come from parents with bigger ones.
All those criminals and rapists also have mothers, the patriarchy and matriarchy have a responsibility to raise their children correctly