We did a bunch in this convo w Ezra that I think was quite distinct from some of the other convos he’s done about abundance and it gave me a lot to think about. #WITHPod youtu.be/OduMs9gAd8M - ThreadSky

chrislhayes.bsky.social • 7 days ago

We did a bunch in this convo w Ezra that I think was quite distinct from some of the other convos he’s done about abundance and it gave me a lot to think about. #WITHPod

https://youtu.be/OduMs9gAd8M

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bicoastaldem.bsky.social•7 days ago

No. Ezra cherry picks data. Sorry.

Dems want to see what a leader looks like who rallies people to a plan to improve their lives?

And not via R grievance, scapegoating or fear…
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We’re going build homes faster, and smarter.

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ehirsch.bsky.social•7 days ago

This is the definition of “a me problem” and it’s not really a problem but whenever I see the hashtag for your great podcast my brain says “What In The Hell pod”, but maybe this is a perfect alternate name for the show

jac028.bsky.social•7 days ago

Fuck Ezra Klein, condescending know-it-all dousche canoe.

casey-casey-casey.bsky.social•7 days ago

Schumerism and populist leftism are very different. AOC represents America. Schumer represents Israel’s interests in America. Schumerism is the rotten core of the DNC

muggsy6363.bsky.social•7 days ago

I don’t think so

ctryoverparty123.bsky.social•7 days ago

Democrats need to focus on re-establishing the pro-democracy movement. After the election, Democrats abandoned it and decided to forget about this movement. As an Independent, for once, I had a home. Reclaiming our country requires all hands on deck. Just look at who's protesting! Widen your view!

brandonmills.bsky.social•7 days ago

When two shows I already listen to have a crossover episode. 👍

jtunes6.bsky.social•7 days ago

What "Dems must do" is to find a way to make some headway against the RW propaganda machinery. The perfect "message" is not gonna do it. It's a bandwidth / reach problem. Kamala / Tim had a good platform. No one heard it amidst the din of RW propaganda and mainstream media got dragged halfway along.

devinuzan.bsky.social•7 days ago

Yup. The biggest issue is the information environment. The second biggest issues is many Americans are petulant, stupid, vindictive, racist assholes.

jtunes6.bsky.social•7 days ago

Yeah, but you can't fix the latter :-(, so gotta work on the former.

megavanera.bsky.social•7 days ago

You’re already a neo-lib, doubtful it took that much convincing.

azurearmada.bsky.social•4 days ago

Hey Chris, I like your work but Ezra doesn't have a big enough picture. It makes his work come off as though he's just trying to sell a book. Economic inequality and other essential issues are ignored Status quo talking points don't meet the moment, please don't be part of spreading this around

ericconk.bsky.social•7 days ago

Just queued this up, always love when convos actually move the frame instead of repeating it. If it got you thinking, I’m in.

shugotenchi.bsky.social•7 days ago

"WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?!?!1?!"

Oh my God, people keep asking this and nobody ever wants to face the answer.

Both sides benefit. From the. Status. Quo.

aercolini.bsky.social•6 days ago

Every time I hear him talk about “abundance” I roll my eyes. I mean Dems couldn’t get high speed rail because of of imminent domain. Ok. Imminent domain is not a democratic law, it’s constitutionally required. Things are cheaper in red states because they’re shit holes where no one wants to live.

50thaevert.bsky.social•7 days ago

Should compare and contrast Liberalism/conservatism/Trumpism

phoenixroars.bsky.social•4 days ago

At 1 point it sounded like you shifted liability from government agency and process to the individual government employees. I don’t have a problem if the agency is responsible and liable for training and providing protection for employees when their decisions are challenged!

purplepolitics1.bsky.social•6 days ago

Here are core problems:

We are okay subjecting our kids to measles but not flouride

We are okay regulating women but not guns

We are okay driving $Trillions to Billionaires but not finding social security and Medicare

Basically we are at odds with basic humanity and ethics

ericdmayhew.bsky.social•6 days ago

Yeah you can’t tinker around the edges when the absolute core of your country is consumed by ethical rot

tacos-in-denver.bsky.social•7 days ago

“Liberalism”?

obliqueirony.bsky.social•7 days ago

Love the Regulation vs. Litigation framing—aka “How does EUROPE build faster than USA?”

YIMBY-Liberal Tort Reform on its way?

lizrbherenow.bsky.social•7 days ago

Thank you, I appreciate you sharing this! I haven’t watched your show since the election, because of the actions of your network but I appreciate you & your work.

lexx-moya.bsky.social•6 days ago

It’s not about ideology anymore. It’s about democracy or authoritarianism.

wetwithrain.bsky.social•6 days ago

We are not a democracy. A semblance of democratic process, but no way are we a democracy. Citizens United, Electoral College by definition alone. USA founded on g*noci.de of its original people, built by stolen, enslaved Black people. Laws systemically wired w/ oppression. Never have a democracy.

lexx-moya.bsky.social•6 days ago

We can’t change the past. The fact is right now we can vote for our representatives and that’s on us for picking the wrong people. But they are looking at ways to remove or diminish voting into a Russian style election. That’s different and a way more urgent matter. Without voting we are doomed

wetwithrain.bsky.social•6 days ago

“The history of slavery is the history of the United States. It was not peripheral to our founding; it was central to it. It is not irrelevant to our contemporary society; it created it. This history is in our soil, it is in our policies, and it must, too, be in our memories.”

~ Clint Smith

wetwithrain.bsky.social•6 days ago

I get that. And still, we are not a democracy. It's not 'the past.' Still g*noci.di.ng/mass murdering people, still have laws that target Black people, and Brown people. Fed min wage is 'slave labor.' Not 'past'. Electoral college by def is not democratic. I get we need voting process though.

klemmensen.bsky.social•7 days ago

placeholder001.bsky.social•7 days ago

Hey @chrislhayes.bsky.social, maybe buck Ezra’s book tour trend and have some critics of his book on. The Abundance book was completely panned by experts in the respective fields he writes about. Let’s help stop the spread of bad information. It’s neoliberalism 2.0.

chrislhayes.bsky.social•7 days ago

Have you read the book? The idea that it’s “neoliberalism 2.0” is so so weird. Doesn’t mean they’re right! But I just don’t get this critique (having read the book, and its critics and also written and read a lot on neoliberalism)

working4capitalism.bsky.social•6 days ago

Do you agree with his definition of neoliberalism that includes being distrustful of our current government's outsourcing and commodification of essential services?

differentsmoke.bsky.social•7 days ago

I'm listening to the episode. I'm not done, but one thing I keep coming back to is how the word "we" and "regulation" are used very ambiguously to muddle some important historical context. Like, I don't think deregulation as in unhinder the state and deregulation as in empower the market are the ->

differentsmoke.bsky.social•7 days ago

same thing. And the conversation seems to pivot a lot on mistrust of the state, which I agree is bad, but it wasn't Ralph Nader who became president under the banner of "government is the problem", nor was it the new left who Clinton and Obama modeled themselves after. Maybe it's in the book, but ->

differentsmoke.bsky.social•7 days ago

when the image of a public servant paraded and chastised in front of a governmental committee not because of what he did but because of some obscure procedural mishap I don't think Sanders or Warren. Therefore this "we" which implies Democrats/liberals starts seeming increasingly suspicious.

differentsmoke.bsky.social•6 days ago

We know which party made playing the refs their entire strategy. We know which party decided they had to take over the courts (and in fact remove the authority of government agencies in favor of courts). And we know which party wants to means test every social program. Who is this we then?

gehaines.bsky.social•6 days ago

It’s because most of the environmental laws Ezra keeps talking about were meant to restrain *business* not the government, as he keeps claiming. He mixes government led and industry led projects when he talks about this stuff,

working4capitalism.bsky.social•6 days ago

Right, and then when the left-wing takes issue with outsourcing to for-profit businesses, Klein gets to disparage the left-wing as "neoliberal" because they are distrustful of "government."

differentsmoke.bsky.social•6 days ago

Yes! This ambiguity seems to do a lot of their argument's heavy lifting.

gehaines.bsky.social•6 days ago

but it’s obvious why easing the environmental regulatory burden for industry led projects would be bad for the rest of us.

gehaines.bsky.social•6 days ago

like, there's a reason the AEI crowd likes this https://www.aei.org/economics/is-nepa-reform-nigh-in-the-new-congress/

internetdumbguy.bsky.social•7 days ago

true capitalism just hasn’t been tried yet

ethanfletcher.bsky.social•7 days ago

This was v good. Has me thinking about what future orientation looks, sounds, and feels like in politics.

blackbirdchi.bsky.social•10 hours ago

Klein is making $ as a “Dem voice” who regularly bashes Dems. Please have convos who hold genuine beliefs instead

dfabelo.bsky.social•5 days ago

Loved the convo! Though when you got to clean energy vs AI, is it fair to say AI could HURT our clean energy ambitions? (Data mining too.) Like, the two things seem almost diametrically opposed. Rather, aren’t AI resources taking away from our basic energy needs? Or driving up the price?

scienceftw.bsky.social•7 days ago

What's there to think about? It's just yet another marketing name for the same ideas that delivered Trump and distract from the problems of monopoly power. Just something else for people to waste political energy instead of policies that will actually help.

chriscampy.bsky.social•6 days ago

Get Ezra Klein the fuck outta here Chris

sarahb1111.bsky.social•7 days ago

Ezra is my spirit animal. My fantasy political team for Pres/VP
@petebuttigieg.bsky.social
@ezrakleinbot.bsky.social

kootafoot.bsky.social•7 days ago

Voters are idiots. Anyone that didn't see through the Trump pre-election dialogue and didn't understand project 2025 or even think about it deserve what they got. I imagine all voters would be standing by the carpetbagger buying the s*** back in 1880s.

zodle77.bsky.social•7 days ago

Yeah I’m all set with rich white dudes telling us how to run the economy.

catpushmike.bsky.social•7 days ago

I don’t trust savvy centrists. They always disappoint when the chips are down.

clotpoll.bsky.social•7 days ago

skip me with ezra klein and the other dem loser pundits.

it’s just about time to go to the mattresses.

torrleonard.bsky.social•7 days ago

Thread:

https://bsky.app/profile/torrleonard.bsky.social/post/3lko4mrp3ns2a

toobiefrank.bsky.social•7 days ago

Our economy generates $170,000 per worker. But Ezra thinks that’s not enough.

eljay49.bsky.social•7 days ago

etienneguy.bsky.social•7 days ago

📌

brad-carpenter.bsky.social•6 days ago

Good god stop talking to the same neo-liberal ass-clowns and find the people who were right in 2016 and have been ignored for a decade (as their predictions have been proven out again and again)

I'm thinking specifically of @sarahkendzior.bsky.social but there are others. Give them the airtime.

muka-tea.bsky.social•7 days ago

This Abundance is warmed over corporate centrist BS. The wealthy and powerful will not relinquish power without a fight.

mdaigle236.bsky.social•6 days ago

If only Klein had been as serious about trump before the election….nyt guys hoping we all will forget how they beat up on Harris and let trump
Mumble without comment…why i dropped nyt

spyglassart.bsky.social•6 days ago

Klein was the leading voice pushing for Biden to step aside before anyone else did and was behind Harris just as early.

I’m sure there’s other stuff he can be criticised on, but not this.

refrag.bsky.social•7 days ago

📌

tom-from-mpls.bsky.social•7 days ago

He's the first to throw progressives under the bus every single time.

working4capitalism.bsky.social•6 days ago

His main anecdotes about what is preventing "abundance" focus on unions slowing things down (and he also confusingly claims that unions got too powerful as a result of the new deal). But then in classic Klein-ian fashion he later claims to be "pro union."

dennis-see-sea.bsky.social•7 days ago

Just a warmed over rebrand of deregulation & trust the billionaire technocrats. Klein's big talking point is "We have too much regulation...but some regulation is good...just not the bad ones." Great talk, Ezra, thanks for cracking that nut.

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