RFK Jr.’s deputy Jim O’Neill wants to skip clinical trials for medication efficacy and just start selling them to Americans to test if they work post-marketing. No placebo group. Just desperate people trying out snake oil so his company can make money from you being a guinea pig. - ThreadSky

elizabethjacobs.bsky.social • 28 days ago

RFK Jr.’s deputy Jim O’Neill wants to skip clinical trials for medication efficacy and just start selling them to Americans to test if they work post-marketing. No placebo group. Just desperate people trying out snake oil so his company can make money from you being a guinea pig.

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cmmu.bsky.social•27 days ago

Well - whether they work is one thing. What if they cause harmful effects?

jennytheroselady.bsky.social•26 days ago

WTAF

donmassey24.bsky.social•27 days ago

In a decent society, there would be laws restricting such unregulated non-science conduct

But this is now Trumpistan, where the scientific method is no method at all—just cash

vitaterna.bsky.social•28 days ago

He wants people to get “cancer meds” from GNC with the approval of the Federal Government.

pinktweets.bsky.social•28 days ago

That's so antithetical to ReallyFuckingKooky's objections to vaccines. Massive testing was inadequate in his view, but he wants to hire someone who wants no testing? As it is, that's what we have with supplements - and there's not even any safety testing in advance of marketing, much less efficacy.

pinktweets.bsky.social•28 days ago

And no warning labels, either. Such as B6 neuropathy. Selenium is also a neurotoxin. Too much calcium can contribute to atherosclerosis and heart disease.

elizabethjacobs.bsky.social•28 days ago

To be fair, you’d have to take quite a bit of selenium before it became neurotoxic (my last grant was on Se). But I have no doubt that enthusiastic Americans could achieve this, just as some have turned themselves blue with colloidal silver.

pinktweets.bsky.social•28 days ago

But we do have idiots out there who do take way too much of whatever they think is going to fix some mythical condition. And apart from lack of warnings, the labels are often incorrect, so accidental overdosing is possible.

mightyani.bsky.social•27 days ago

This is what gas station "bath salts" were

antwancrump.bsky.social•27 days ago

So, they're just gonna gamble with sick Americans' health, while stripping healthcare programs bare, overcharging for medication, and letting insurance play "keep away" with life-saving coverage... If this is "great again," I don't want it.

kdrsisu.bsky.social•28 days ago

The “disruption” that Kennedy calls for is an easy and often lazy position to support. Any existing program, especially public programs, can be easily attacked by sleuthing through information available, cherry picking the points that cause a stir, and conclude that the program is so corrupt that

kdrsisu.bsky.social•28 days ago

the only solution is to scrap it and start from scratch. Burn the barn. The NIH, FDA, EPA, NASA, FBI, CIA, Justice Department, USDA, Dept of Education, and on and on.

csmith24.bsky.social•28 days ago

They wanted herd immunity for Covid too. Do you think these con artists would try medication that wasn’t tested first? I doubt it.

arvrrob.bsky.social•28 days ago

OMFG!!! 😱

cphickie.bsky.social•28 days ago

Wait, what? Meanwhile RFKjr and his anti-vax minions love to claim not enough clinical trials or "true placebos" for vaccines as their reasons for wanting vaccines eliminated. But we'd be silly to expect anything resembling science-based medicine from RFKjr and his cronies.

elizabethjacobs.bsky.social•28 days ago

The stated beliefs of RFK Jr. and his deputy are diametrically opposed.

cphickie.bsky.social•28 days ago

But easily reconciled given his deputy will make his $$$ from doing as he proposes while Kennedy will make his $$$ using fake science to sue vaccine makers.

senorgreygoose.bsky.social•28 days ago

Republicans: “Government doesn’t work and if you elect us we will prove it”.

steve-shrewsbury.bsky.social•27 days ago

Presumably with no collection of data, and certainly no quality control, just anecdotes of "miracle cure" to peddle to the next sucker.

goodgreatokayish.bsky.social•27 days ago

📌

joe-ladem.bsky.social•28 days ago

Wait, isn’t that the plot from the video game Fallout! We’ve got to stop giving these goons ideas. 🤦‍♂️

susanyork.bsky.social•28 days ago

Jesus Christ

connorcdc.bsky.social•27 days ago

I could be wrong, but wasn’t this always one of their big sticking points when it came to covid. That the vaccine wasn’t tested properly and didn’t go through proper clinical trials? Such hypocrites.

elizabethjacobs.bsky.social•27 days ago

Correct.

adithyar.bsky.social•27 days ago

It has always been projection.

thevaccinationstation.org•28 days ago

So first Kenndy whines (incorrectly) that vaccines aren't tested enough, and now his sidekick wnts to skip clinical trials for other stuff. These clowns really have no clue whatsoever.

tinywolf13.bsky.social•28 days ago

Well sure, what could go wrong 😑

genjibear.bsky.social•27 days ago

This is fucking terrifying is what it is. We don't just do it to find out if they're efficacious, we do it to find out if they're *safe*.

sstan99.bsky.social•28 days ago

Maybe he can be the first one to try it. Gonna make a wild guess he’ll think twice 🤦‍♂️

iamiysha.bsky.social•27 days ago

I feel like this is the first step in a zombie apocalypse.

melissaf.bsky.social•27 days ago

Another way to kill people en masse
1 word: thalidomide (it’d been approved by the USSR & wasn’t double checked. And the USSR just made shit up to get it approved)

elizabethjacobs.bsky.social•27 days ago

Yeup.

foreverbluelady.bsky.social•27 days ago

So, TESTED vaccines are bad but untested pharmacological agents are good.
My head is spinning

elizabethjacobs.bsky.social•28 days ago

His “plan” would require large numbers of citizens to be monitored extensively by the U.S. government, because there is no other way to test efficacy. There is reason O’Neill was rejected for a role at the FDA in 2016 for having zero relevant knowledge or experience. https://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2016/12/08/why-donald-trumps-putative-fda-pick-could-scare-pharma/

palando.bsky.social•28 days ago

What could go wrong?

josephineau.bsky.social•27 days ago

FYI, this article came out 8 years ago.

elizabethjacobs.bsky.social•27 days ago

Yes. As I said in another post, this came out when he was considered and rejected for a position in the FDA in the first Trump administration, because of these insane ideas. But that doesn’t matter this time. The article shows how quickly things have collapsed.

surlybadger61.bsky.social•28 days ago

Thalidomide redux. Woke people still clinging to double blinds with control groups with an ancient belief in empiricism.

winningmsg.bsky.social•28 days ago

"Trump is a con artist - you see it with how he fleeced his own supporters with crypto. And he leads the republican party that is funded by scammer businessmen. Now Trump & RFK want to make it an open door for pharma to scam you with drugs that haven't even been tested yet. It's totally corrupt."

4boysnana.bsky.social•28 days ago

Oh why not, as soon as he accepts that he personally will be held responsible for all unfortunate reactions to any med not properly tested. Make it part of his ‘loyalty pledge’.

elizabethjacobs.bsky.social•28 days ago

Haha the irony. I assume that O’Neill’s approach will also have a caveat that holds only the consumer, not the oligarch who owns the company, responsible for being foolhardy enough to try ivermectin for their cancer.

johnwmich.bsky.social•28 days ago

My wife has been treated for cancer 5 years now. Her close friend started pushing that shit. I came unglued.

4boysnana.bsky.social•28 days ago

I’m afraid I would be in jail if someone had tried to sell that crap to me when my husband was fighting his cancer battle. I wish the very best for your wife.

rockwils1.bsky.social•28 days ago

Next.

rednanz.bsky.social•26 days ago

Jeezus f c

picchic.bsky.social•28 days ago

Well, just like the supplements aisle. They don’t see a difference between those and actual drugs because their last chemistry and biology classes were in high school.

elizabethjacobs.bsky.social•28 days ago

Their “classes” were the Joe Rogan show more likely

mullinshere.bsky.social•28 days ago

So I should make sure my doctor prescribes only pre-2025 medications, correct?

georges-simen0n.bsky.social•27 days ago

no wonder they want out of the WHO

cuillin.org•27 days ago

Holy moly! That's going to be great until it goes horribly horribly wrong! And it will.

badpacifist.bsky.social•27 days ago

Sorry if this is a duplicate point, but another consequence of this is that people would be paying to be research participants. If you know *the first thing* about how research works, you already understand why that's bad. And drug-makers get to profit even if their drugs don't work. Neat, huh?

elizabethjacobs.bsky.social•27 days ago

Exactly right. There are so many ethical problems that I couldn’t list them all.

badpacifist.bsky.social•27 days ago

It's an awfully long list.... But you may have just planned an entire night of my upcoming Research Methods course for me...

jordanthro.bsky.social•27 days ago

Ditto

nativehorse.bsky.social•28 days ago

Isn't that how we got Thioamide Babies?

m-lena.bsky.social•28 days ago

Thalidomide.

nativehorse.bsky.social•28 days ago

BTW, whiskey for breakfast is called my "Pete Hegseth" plan, after all look at where it got him!🤣

nativehorse.bsky.social•28 days ago

Sorry, typing around my cat and drinking whiskey for breakfast cause that's my 4-year plan🤣

m-lena.bsky.social•28 days ago

Yeah sorry for being nitpicky. Enjoy!

nativehorse.bsky.social•28 days ago

Not at all, but we know what happens when drug companies can freely push out medications without full studies and concurrence that they are safe for all instances of use.

bardie.bsky.social•27 days ago

Isn’t that already the process in the US with supplements?

ncmimi.bsky.social•28 days ago

Wait, what? After RFK droned on and on about how vaccines aren’t tested enough? wtf?

elizabethjacobs.bsky.social•28 days ago

Consistency in health policy is no longer a preferred qualification to run HHS.

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