Shit the fuck up dumbass. We were the only ones who saw this threat looming and worked to stop it while you guys cried on tik tok that Biden and Trump were the same.
Oh I don’t know about the “being nice” part but “being safe” (cushy middle class lifestyle with lots of boojie opportunities & engagement) is a big motivator.
tleft to their own devices you may be right. but WE are not going to let them to that are we? WE are doing what WE can to make them do something. ADd leadership of the dems and message them all of the time. Many of us can do not more. All WE have is social media to promote our words.
It's not whether or not I'm first it's that... you know that dril tweet about "You do not under any circumstances gotta hand it to em"? I feel like that's some kind of sacred commandment I just violated. Because I am terminally online.
But he's right. The democrats aren't doing enough. They should be out there yelling loudly and blocking shit. The GOP didn't sit silently during Obama or Biden's presidencies. They got loud. They stopped a huge percentage of good things Obama and Biden wanted to do. They got people elected.
The democrats should be shutting washington down right now. Not smugly tweeting about how tariffs will make pizza more expensive. DC needs to be ground to a halt until Trump reconsiders all of this stupid bullshit.
And what are the democrats doing? Smugly tweeting and begging for donations. Great.
Yes, but we don't just need hope. We need spite. We need anger. We need to stop offering olive branches to people who have made their entire identity burning the branch. Palpatine never expected his own apprentice to throw him down the death star shaft.
Vader never expected that he would receive love and warmth from his adult son after everything he did. When Luke struggles with the dark side, he tells off Palpatine and states he is a Jedi like his father. I merely try to discern the intent of others, but I will always extend a hand if I can.
Yeah, but Palpatine still had to be thrown down a shaft. All I'm saying is that we can't let the GOP do what it wants to do right now. And maybe some people can be redeemed like Vader. But we need to protect people right now.
Until the people that run the Dems all resign then nothing will change. They are old people stuck in the last century and refuse to accept they are no longer relevant.
I don't label myself but I argue libs try to be "decent" and "law-abiding", not "nice". Many on this side can be formidable foes who don't back down. We just try to avoid a scorched-earth mindset because we actually care about the innocent victims in its path.
Roosevelt was a Democrat and a liberal internationalist who laid the foundation for an international order that has succeeded to date in preventing America again having to fight a massive global war.
Oh damn, where are they? Where's the war? Surely if you're such a spiritual successor to the people responsible for these images you must at least be *armed* right? You must be *doing* something?
What group do you think are protesting in DC and using legislative means to block cabinet appointments? All I see are leftists being really fucking quiet at best and finding ways to blame everything on Democrats while sitting home doing nothing at worst.
lol liberals have spent the past 2 weeks getting mad at leftists for wanting the democrats to do exactly that. they were busy calling leftists "do somethings" as a slur!
Leftists have spent the past 2 weeks twisting themselves into pretzels to absolve Republicans of any and all responsibility for their own actions and shift it entirely onto Democrats, who aren’t in power in a single branch.
Because they are so ideologically tied to the democratic party that they think the only people that dare besmirch the name of their lords are heretics. that's why.
They're so deeply pathetic as people it's embarrassing. We really are alone in this fight. Dems will relish every second of our death because they always hated us more than the fascists they insist are their enemies.
We spent the entire election begging people to vote for Kamala. Because voting for Kamala is a hell of a lot easier and lower risk than what’s gonna have to happen now.
I’ve been working on Democratic campaigns since 2015. I’ve always written off the GOP. They’re a known quantity. I’ve always had to worry about the left flank’s holier than though attitude cutting into the margin of victory needed to keep the enemy at bay. Fuck off!
Oh so your activism is limited to working for the party that completely failed to do anything -and continues to fail to do anything- to stop this. Because at every opportunity to appeal to the left, they chose instead to chase non-existent moderates.
ah yes, the necessity of vaporizing 400,000 civilians in the blink of an eye. and the country that did it - certainly not imperialist at all! scratch a liberal, EVERY time
A coup is being attempted, the courts are the wall to stop the attack. We need to trust in the system we put in place. Hope for peace but still prepare for war. Have you even started documenting where the possible militarized police sleep at night?
Being nice is stopping the country from being plunged into political warfare. Being smart and playing "nice" is exactly what we need right now, and I'm happy that we have leaders who understand that the opposite of that right now would only lead to bloodshed.
Liberals are blue MAGA, toeing party line no matter what AND voting to confirm Trump appointees AND complying with his orders. Liberals are the left wing of the Republican Party at this point.
We are, you just have convinced yourselves that there’s only one action that’ll work and will refuse to accept that any other one or combination of them could also defeat fascism.
You get called feckless because you fucks never take a stand against fascists and enable them to get off without consequences, and dont tell me shit about the work liberals do when your precious DNC is radio silent towards a fucking coup
You can't have one without the other. Genocide doesn't happen without an army of feckless liberals to defend it every step of the way to normalization.
I've thought about it. Others can. I'd just hurt someone. I make too many mistakes.
Which is not to say I'll let it happen if there's anything I can do. I'm still working out what "Anything" is, but it's going places I never expected or hoped to. But it will.
"I am scared to actually take a stand because then I can't just change my profile pic to black or wear a cheap blue bracelet! They want me to DO and SAY things in my community and not just on the interwebs!!1!" "What do you mean I can't just vote to stop fascism??"
I’m so far left of Bernie Sanders that I make him look like a Reagan Republican but what I know about progressives is that the ones who actually do something in the form of action are outliers. Most of them complain and criticize online, and think that’s enough to effect a change.
Musk's Tesla stock is worth $158B, about 36% of his net worth (via Bloomberg) of $433B. If Tesla stock went to zero, he'd still be worth $275B and be the richest man in the world, with capabilities not eroded in any practical sense.
On a smaller and less risky scale I think that emergent trend of vandalizing Tesla cars is good even despite it often harming largely harmless tesla car owners because making "owning a tesla" a financially risky proposition diminishes company viability and thus musk's operational capacity
Lmfao. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. They worked hard with conservatives for decades to get us here. Liberal is a center-right ideology that only shares identitarian rights with the left. Nothing else.
No. Liberals have to be nice. Because liberals are the under dogs in america. And it's been that way since day one. Learning anything about american history tells us that racism, sexism, etc has always been considered normal. Because those things ARE conservative values.
If you actually did. Would make logical sense correct? Because you can't speak logically about a person or people without first caring about their well being. If you do not care about them. There's no reason to put effort into being logical about them. And it you won't be logical about them.
Humanity has no natural predators. Meaning we're all in this together. The more we human beings fight each other? The worse things get for us all. So liberalism? Is the smartest way to go about life so far.
And since conservatives have run america most of it's existence? All of that manipulation becomes a part of americans. How americans think. How they react. Etc. Deplorables and garbage people lost democrats votes for a reason. They stepped out of the "nice" protection.
There's a school of thought that says FDR was not magnanimous and good-hearted, but was scrambling to protect capitalism by moving left far enough to stay ahead of a burgeoning socialist movement.
Don't know if that's actually true. But yeah. It would be less stupid move. Imagine if hollywood stayed just as racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic and xenophobic as the rest of america. Imagine that people screaming WOKE BAD now ran things.
The House of Representatives is controlled by Republicans.
The Senate is controlled by Republicans.
The Presidency is controlled by Oligarchs.
The SCOTUS is controlled by The Federalist Society.
Where in any of that do you see anything Dems can do?
They're going to get confirmed anyway. Even if they didn't, Trump would simply fill them with recess appointments and none of those would be on record.
I have watched protests from both sides, right wingers and left. And I've seen the difference between a right wing armed protest and unarmed leftist protests.
Not saying you have to do anything with those arms, just make sure you have them displayed fully. Put it on the permit. Make it known.
I am going to disagree with "nice". Liberals are sitting cozy in their warm living rooms sipping coffee and posting on bsky, getting micro doses of serotonin with every like and follow. That's their extent of political involvement. What is needed at the moment is people to organize go out and riot.
We need to be smart, we need to be targeted, we need to hit them where it hurts with nonaction (like not spending) and civil disobedience that interrupts their flow and ability to get things done - riots are easily demonized or derailed if they send in their freed insurrectionists to start violence.
The days of civil disobedience are gone. Oligarchs has amassed such fortunes that nothing hurts them. you think musk gives a shit if all libs move away from Twitter? Musk is worth 400B, 20B is not hurting him. Why care about demonizing. Let them. Do oligarchs care that they are being demonized?
Very confused by the hostility and discussions of things I didn’t even mention. I thought this was a discussion, but your reply feels like this is an argument to you.
Gentlemen, you both have valid points and there's no reason we can't do both.
Thank you. The gentleman that you were replying to is frustrated because non-violence is always the first answer and it gets beaten in the streets and loses.
I don't think he's angry at you at all, he just doesn't see a way for that to succeed. And he's not wrong on his analysis. So non-violent protests should go further than embarrassment and go towards actually shutting down critical services.
i don't understand it. we are crashing and burning so severely and nobody with platforms except for a handful is actually using it to stop more damage from happening. I'm so terrified
Some - probably. Others might focus on living within their values which may exclude whatever actions you think are “necessary.”Not trying to throw shade and I don’t expect you to agree-but you might consider that there are other explanations than the single one you offer up.
Remember Michelle’s mantra? “They go low, we bring cookies to tea.” I’m so fucking angry right now at their failure to realize we’re in a gunfight. They’ve got guns and we’ve got Eagle Scouts.
I hate it when people say 1000%, but 1000%. That was Biden’s whole thing: be a gentleman, play by the rules. Bend over while you do it. He let Merrick Garland obstruct justice for four years, and here we are.
Some are fighting back. AOC and Jasmine Crockett aren't just sitting back and being nice. We need the old guard to step down and let the new blood give the party a much overdue transfusion of courage.
I don't disagree with you. The thing is, what you call leftist is centrist anywhere else. Those you call liberal are really center-right. I don't view them as liberal because they capitulate to the extreme right. The party needs true liberals--what you call leftists--in leadership roles now.
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Get back to your community activism, that's a good thing.
Your political analysis is unfortunately rooted in party propaganda.
Where is she now?
FUND RAISING!!
This is the last time I waste a moment of thought on do nothing Democrats.
YOUR ANALYSIS IS LACKING.
Now, get back to your community. That's good work. Jabbing your finger at people over shitty...
This election was easy to win; all they had to do was stop supporting genocide but boomers are racist as fuck and ENJOY IT.
That literally did not happen.
RFK has not had his confirmation vote yet, and no democrats are expected to vote for him.
If you're going to bitch about democrats, make sure it's over something factually true.
and the fact is playing out in front of us
your anger is misdirected
“When they go low
We go and hide! “ 🤬
You can boycott businesses, you can volunteer and you can vote.....and you can support Illinois's governor for not hiring Jan 6th traitors.
Claiming that the democrats do nothing is LITERALLY Republican propaganda to discourage you from voting and fighting them.
And what are the democrats doing? Smugly tweeting and begging for donations. Great.
Get loud. Get obstructionist. Get organized.
Or are these images the extent of your activism?
You're not making yourself look any better!
I'm going to be blunt: this "nice" comes from White people being unwilling to do to White people what they won't hesitate to do to Arabs.
"Love Me, I'm A Liberal" -- no, Phil Ochs, you're wrong; you were ALWAYS wrong, and, furthermore, hush.
We need an Eliot Spitzer.
Or any sack, frankly.
Also you: "Let's coopt a symbol of liberals executing the aristocracy and redistributing their wealth."
Sorry. How does that feel?
(You fucking leftists need to get serious)
You’re the ones who won’t accept that any other action or combination of actions could defeat fascism.
You won’t even work with progressives on it
Get serious. Grow up
That’s not an opposition party.
https://bsky.app/profile/leftoverdrugs.bsky.social/post/3lh6b5nrbu22f
Not all Canadians either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV101ei8mu8
But what they're really trying to do is first acknowledge that This Is Not Normal. and then figure out how to be *productive*.
I dont know either. If you do, please suggest.
Rage Alone is Useless.
Which is not to say I'll let it happen if there's anything I can do. I'm still working out what "Anything" is, but it's going places I never expected or hoped to. But it will.
...they voted to confirm Trump's picks to have their weekend. They're Mary Antoinette. All of them, even Bernie at this point.
We can't vote our way out of this. Go local. Send out roots.
I'm IRA descended.
That's an option for some.
Also like, 275 is a HUGE loss in capacity
https://bsky.app/profile/niedermeyer.online/post/3lgt2mlqyks2v
i hope you find them soon.
we poor have already lived this extreme reality for decades.
we get it. ✊🏻🩶
What would be your plan? What would you do that would also stand up in court when it really counts.
Whine, but getting the real job done correctly takes work
At present, they're career politicians over their head and corrupt as fuck.
The Senate is controlled by Republicans.
The Presidency is controlled by Oligarchs.
The SCOTUS is controlled by The Federalist Society.
Where in any of that do you see anything Dems can do?
If Americans are going to protest from now on, they better be armed protests. Armed protests make cops behave better.
Not saying you have to do anything with those arms, just make sure you have them displayed fully. Put it on the permit. Make it known.
Thank you. The gentleman that you were replying to is frustrated because non-violence is always the first answer and it gets beaten in the streets and loses.
But it is important.
So is vi*l*n*e.
I’m a leftist, but that doesn’t make sense
Here’s some of today’s “wisdom” from a liberal. They have shit for brains.