Deus vult’ began as a rallying cry for the Crusades. More recently, it’s been adopted by the far right. And we’re not even supposed to wonder/ask why it’s tattooed on the arm of the next defense secretary?
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Idk I think we should leave the tattoo part alone. It's like number 50 on the list of all the things that are terrible about Pete Hegseth. I'm not saying it's not an indication of his Nationalism but there are 100 things that you can criticize him for that won't accidentally alienate Christians
Well I'm definitely glad to know that that's the case. But there are clearly some Christians who are offended by it. I don't know how many so I don't know if it's actually a major issue, it probably doesn't really matter but I just still feel like there's worse things about him to focus on.
There are definitely other bad things about Heggseth, but the content of his tattoos is pretty bad. Also, JD’s outrage is entirely manufactured. As would be any other supposed Christian outrage, because these tattoos are NOT normal Christian symbols or sayings (speaking as a lifelong Christian).
agree but we can post about fascists activities/statements without repeating them and blasting their tweets - again as it is repeating their message. at min. put a giant red FASCIST stamp on it or something ?
When your two options are 99% Hitler and 100% Hitler, are they even really options? Gaza is ALREADY leveled and being ethnically cleansed under Biden and Harris.
Do you believe it's useful to whine about something that's insignificant? 🤨 Apropos of learning to read, what have you read that makes you believe the Uncommitted movement would be happy abt a white supremacist in the cabinet? Just not beating the "deeply unserious" allegations today mate. tah
Yeah because trying to give everyone nostalgia for the administration that gave us the Abu Gahbi Prison incident was such a smart strategy to save democracy…
We have to ask. As a person of faith: The crusades were evil. God’s sovereignty is good. And the intent behind the tattoo matters to me. His character matters to me. I’m tired of seeing public figures use performative faith to excuse a multitude of personal and leadership sins.
I saw my father today who is very brainwashed by years of Fox News, Drudge Report, and Rush Limbaugh, etc. he was reading an article about how great of a choice Hegseth is.
Ugh it’s so annoying because my dad is a really smart man. Just has been lied to by special interest groups for far too long.
I thought the Bible, that book these poor, oppressed Christians purport to follow, forbids tattoos? And divorce. And hoarding wealth. Just for starters.
The VP elect... normalizing white Christian nationalism... crying about anti-Christian bigotry... it's beyond pathetic... it's dangerous... Vance is so self-righteous, and so big on telling people how they should be ashamed... he's shameless... believe it...
88...14 16? words...or other code white supremist " secret " meanings... where we go one we go all...not the all for one and one for all like the musketeers...Reagan was a champion user of code words...with a wink and a smile...all this was intensified by him...
"Deus vult" means "God wills it", and all of the history around it says that the full meaning is "I'm going to kill people and God is okay with me killing those people."
Usually with a prefix of "I personally hate these people."
It's not neutral, not even a little bit. It's not about defending what's yours, even. It's about going out and killing and *knowing* that God has your back.
Yeah, that’s it. People are just outraged at the extent of the guy’s religious devotion.Nothing makes Democrats more livid than to see leaders living a life that follows in the footsteps of Jesus. That’s why Jimmy Carter is such a pariah.
Jimmy Carter: The man who builds homes for the homeless, welcomes all, teaches Sunday School, fighting to eradicate a deadly parasite through his foundation:I imagine that would be a pariah for a conservative.
We aren’t supposed to question their beliefs! We are just so supposed to roll over, I think! Well Vance should be exiled from the Church, and I am tempted to Write the Vatican?!
the WOKE MEDIA is ATTACKING Trump's nominee just for having an ANCIENT INDIAN RELIGIOUS SYMBOL tattooed on his chest. this is DISGUSTING ANTI-HINDU BIGOTRY from the DEMOCRAT PARTY
When someone tells me they're a Christian today, I don't believe them. I can't. One side uses it as a sword and shield for bigotry and misogyny, and the other side just sits around, letting their faith be hijacked by the former. Christianity has failed to defend itself from fascism.
If people couldn't see a Bad situation getting Worse - How could they forget giving Goland Heights and Jerusalem to Israel? If that wasn't a hint of things to come.. yikes
Deus Vult was repeatedly used by the perpetrator of the 2017 Quebec City mosque shooting. it was one of the tattoos on the body of the perpetrator of the 2023 Texas mall shooting. it was also used during far-right riot in Charlottesville, Virginia in 2017
well, 9/11 was a pretty good day for the Donald...he was on local radio and told all we NYC'ers that he now owned the tallest building in lower Manhattan.....such a proud moment for him....
Why should he? He's got the pulpit now, and his congregation wants nothing to do with truth. Their religion is owning the libs, and they've now reached their version of nirvana.
White trash dude with no ties to Orthodoxy tattoos an orthodox cross on himself only to emulate the nutty white nationalists from Russia. Such a red flag man.
All goes back to an obsession with SPQR. It's also why you see those kind of losers on Twitter with Greco-Roman busts as they post the most unhinged shit about how the West has fallen.
As a "code word," it allows white nationalists and other members of the alt-right to express anti-Muslim sentiment without engaging in direct hate speech. The phrase is also used as a celebration of white, Christian identity, the preservation of which is a core element of the alt-right movement.
Hegseths tattoos are about the Crusades. Guess who he wants to crusade against? From https://Military.com reporter, Steve Beynon: In one of his books, Pete Hegseth, Trump's pick for SecDef calls for a literal holy war against the left. This was written while he was a serving as an officer in the Guard."
He’s playing stupid to the media. He knows exactly what it means to tattoo that on one’s self but he knows he can spin it as some sort of anti-Christian bullshit. But he knows.
Each day, I am more and more terrified. This is so Handmaids tale! Scary. I am very worried about the military being used against citizens. And every other policy they have planned. Why? Why MFers? Why vote for this despicable sociopath. Instead of tax credits, just tax.
The only way he would know what that means, is if he was deep inside some far right circles. This should be concerning to everyone.
You can literally walk into any Catholic Church in any part of the world and ask the congregants what they think it means, and they will tell you they have no idea.
My son is a leading global tattoo artist who specialises in celtic, nordic, latin symbolism, cultural icons and text. He refuses hate speech symbolism or text of any kind. Deus Valt he would not tattoo. Its use in current times culturally is hate.
They are *this* close to saying shit like “Now they’re losing their minds about an ancient Buddhist symbol of peace being tattooed on so-and-so’s chest, they are so virulently anti-religious”!
"In the 21st century, Christian nationalist movements, as well as Christian right and far-right groups, have adopted the motto as a catchphrase. Medievalist scholars have criticized this use as harmful and historically inaccurate."
Vance doesn't seem to understand the difference between Christianity and Christendom. Or he does and is so lacking in intellectual integrity that he's banking on his audience not knowing the difference.
The Trump administration jailed my client for close to four years while his *civil* deportation case was pending for having a tattoo with hands praying over a rosary.
It’s a Latin phrase associated with the Knights Templar during the Crusades. It translates to “God wills it,” and it’s commonly used to mean that they can do whatever awful thing they want because (they claim that) God is on their side and supports their actions.
Calling it a 'Christian motto' really whitewashes it; might as well also characterize the Klan or the Spanish Inquisition or the 3rd Reich as 'Christian organizations' while we're at it
They were all self-appointed doers of 'Gods will', never mind that they were all essentially war criminals
I've been Catholic my whole life and every Catholic I know has no clue what that means. Meanwhile, every white supremacists, funny enough, seems to know.
Color me skeptical that it's an actual, normal, non-hate symbol of Catholicism.
Maybe a little humility to admit it’s impossible to be certain of such things and as such we shouldn’t join ANY cults. We could evolve into something greater then.
Ironical that the Bible has prohibitions about not marking thy flesh nor bearing mark of dead (Leviticus 19 I believe) yet tattoo sounds like a very Christian thing to do.
"Exulting in capitalism’s permanent ‘crisis mode,’ hyperstition accelerates the tendencies towards chaos and dissolution by invoking irrational and monstrous forces..."
It's like people-powered fuel for Trump's cult.💰🐘 pay to make them think they're victims/victorious ✝️🙈crusaders. Ease of control.🔥
The gullible people are the ones dumb enough to vote for Harris and thinking she would improve anything. It’s like you people think with one collective brain that is cognitively impaired.
Your only chance is to allow Trump to appoint whoever he wants. No guard rails this time. His administration will collapse within 18 months.
The guardrails last time is why you have him in power again.
Why don’t you people move? If you are already melting down over this complete nonsense how are you people going to cope for four years? The dramatics. The left is the party of the mentally ill.
lol the left didn’t nominate an alleged pedo, an anti vaccine quack, and a Fox News host with a questionable past into some of the most powerful positions in the country. Reacting to that negatively isn’t dramatic, but aggressively supporting it is…a choice
But if he’s going to appoint whoever he wants, don’t his appointees become the guardians? 🤔 And right now, at least for the next 2 years, he has the trifecta, ALL 3 branches (+Supreme Court) in his hands, I don’t foresee his government collapsing that quickly. We must resist & fight his nominations.
Sadly, I don’t even think this is true. I work with a bunch of conservatives and they are like all for his picks no matter the allegations against them or the lack of knowledge in the fields they’ve been selected for. I think those die hard Trump fans are going to be marching in the street for daddy
I doubt it, these people have less influence than they and everyone else thinks. The country would continue to run no matter who was in charge - the economy is largely dependent on global issues, everyone in the West has seen the same inflation as the US. He’ll fuck some things up but as…
idk where this shit is coming from but i see it everywhere rn. what makes you so confident that accelerationism is a solution? neo-nazis want the same thing, they just have a different idea of how it ends.
praying that the fascists eat themselves before they can hurt anybody is nuts.
We'll be at risk for another 911. Our national defenses will be wrecked and he'll appoint bozos to run the military. Gun violence will increase, damage from fires, hurricanes and floods won't be be managed. No one except the uber wealthy will be spared. Our next 4 yrs will feel like a decade.
to be followed soon by the DNI, DOJ, DOD + HHS (+ everything else) if trumps gets his nominees in — to say nothing of all the loyalists in the the House + Senate
i'll probably be dead before America rights herself, if ever
as an aside, i've always found it interesting that 'America' is feminine, just like 'Mother Earth', yet these shit-bags hate (fear) human women w such a vehemence
The problem with that is the Republicans have clearly decided their best chance of keeping and retaining power is to go full fascist while gaslighting the rest of the country that they’re not really.
I don't think it is correct to define Trump as fascist. This is not an extremist RW gang having defeated a left wing opposition to take power. The US doesn't have a leftwing, and a majority of 52% voted for him. While the opposition, which is center-right, is thinking of moving more to the right!
I’ve watched him over the last couple years and I like how he calls out corruption and tries to be transparent to the public. I know they were scared enough of him to try to set him up and blackmail him and he turned them in and won his case. So I know he can’t be bought.
Devo said it well….
Look , that most people voted for this is not a reason to be servile ….and in some nations legit overthrow it. it is patently a flaw of the electoral system of democracy and your civil society
With help from elon who manipulated the US elections !!!
The richest man in the world has the money to put out and change people's minds with propaganda!
Today Europe is invaded by the muslims again.
Look at every single European country.
Germany, UK, Belgium, Sweden. They are all ruined. Import Middle East, become Middle East.
Fr. Almost nobody I know who criticizes the crusades realizes that the muslims were foreign invaders and were oppressing and discriminating Christians.
Hegseth doesn’t get to claim a Crusader rallying cry until he proves he’s a real Crusader (accidentally sacking Christian cities and committing cannibalism)
No, it’s an almost exclusively white Christian nationalist saying. It idolizes the excesses of the Crusades. Seriously, it’s not part of normal Catholic tradition.
@mehdirhasan.bsky.social I still think everyone should repost JD calling Trump Hitler, back when JD had some balls. He needs to be reminded of his past.
The Crusades were, overall, a big hot mess. During the 1st Crusade, known as the “People's Crusade”, groups broke off on their travel to Jerusalem to mass murder Jews in what is now known as Germany.
Rhineland massacres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhineland_massacres#Background
The 4th Crusade saw the Western European Christian crusaders, sack and pillage Constantinople, the capital of the capital of the Christian Byzantine Empire
The sack weakened the Byzantine Empire to such an extent that it allowed neighboring groups such as the Sultanate of Rum, and later the Ottoman Turks, to gain influence and ultimately take control.
Sack of Constantinople https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Constantinople
Throughout the remainder of the 13th century, a variety of Crusades aimed not so much to topple Muslim forces in the Holy Land but to combat any and all groups seen as enemies of the Christian faith.
The Albigensian Crusade (1208-29) aimed to root out the heretical Cathari or Albigensian sect of Christianity in France, while the Baltic Crusades (1211-25) sought to subdue pagans in Transylvania.
Any nominee that's not in the old boys network, the Uni Party, will be called a racist and a right wing fascist. That's the state of American politics today.
Add to that the prominent Jerusalem Cross tattoo on his chest. It was the symbol of the unified Reich church compatible with all Nazi ideology. Historically it was used to symbolize crusades, the violent conversion of non-catholics.
I’d like to know who really is okay with this? We can’t keep letting the GOP off of the hook. They dominate the minds of too many. It’s time for a new strategy because dying the same thing over and over again (being too careful) isn’t working.
Christiany is a made up religion. It's a history of the Jewish ✡️ people that's what it is. After having memorized the Bible in junior high at a Lutheran school. I can tell you it's all bullshit. I refused to be confirmed I told them I don't believe it has anything to do with me. It's a cult
You don’t ask if someone is pregnant, and you never ask a White Supremacist about their tattoos. You wait for them to scream what they mean when they feel comfortable enough to goosestep and pop a Bellamy boner in public.
I'm a Christian and a Catholic, not like Vance(thank God) and I've never heard of this supposed motto in all my Catholic school lessons or Sunday homilies. It's more right wing nonsense.
A truly shitty campaign at that. One based on absolute lies and misinformation. If you’re going to support the Crusades you should have to actually learn what a shitshow they were.
Pitiful that as far back as the Crusades ppl thought & still think God's always on Their Side Convinced they Know God's Will yet rarely called out for that insanity
If even theoretically True
How can God be on both sides as each believes?
Message from God:
Even God wants to be left alone at times
You arent "wondering" you're fear mongering. Soldiers get all kinds of tattoos that are meaningful to THEM. You broadcast YOUR interpretation without asking him and it shows exactly what you are
If the Crusades embodied Christian values, then we should be running from Christianity as fast as we can.
Every religion, like every nation, has bloody skeletons in its closet. We should be intelligent enough to honor the good parts, not glorify the horrors.
Dem senators should bring big posters of this into every session and keep asking how the views they represent will translate into policies and decisions should he be confirmed.
Recently adopted by far right? It’s all relative.
I remember firearm/tacticool companies printing Deus Vult (and other religion inspired shit) on swag more than 10 years ago. Thinking 2010 or so.
It's a standard tactic Vance employs to blame the messenger. Journalists need to be dogged and keep asking the questions of why he has these tattoos, and their freighted meanings, versus say a cross.
Proposed defense secretary. Hopefully there's some Rs with a backbone in Congress that'll keep him out of a job he's woefully unqualified for, white nationalism aside. But I'm not holding my breath.
"What would Jesus do?" is a Christian motto. Maybe "There, but for the grace of God, go I." "Deus vult" has no meaning outside of the Crusades. It's purely about evoking nostalgia for a time when religious violence was celebrated.
Nothing like religious people who quote the bible and jesus stick up for a man who has had extramarital affairs 3 wives and a sexual assault allegation against him they are bloody hypocrites in all shape and form.
Let's not even forget that the Crusades itself was a Christian holy war against the Muslims to "reclaim" the holy land, so touting imagery and slogans from the group and time period have some pretty dark theocratic implications for their intent for America.
I'm not interested in debating the ethics of any of the major religions, they all have dark histories. Any group that is focused on the mass killing of another group is undebatably evil, and the Crusades was a time of mass killing because of differing beliefs.
You only find Islam is demonic. Like Rebecca got married when she was 3 years old Isaac was 43 in the Old Testament. God impregnated a 12 or 13 years old Mary to get himself into the same womb God Impregnated and if you ask Christians who is that God? They tell you Jesus.
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Ugh it’s so annoying because my dad is a really smart man. Just has been lied to by special interest groups for far too long.
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Usually with a prefix of "I personally hate these people."
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Oh, he has a swastika tattoo? That's actually a Buddhist symbol!
You can literally walk into any Catholic Church in any part of the world and ask the congregants what they think it means, and they will tell you they have no idea.
Got it
#DeusVult
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They were all self-appointed doers of 'Gods will', never mind that they were all essentially war criminals
ah well. I imagine Mehdi's next post will bring out more. I'll be more attentive next time.
I've been Catholic my whole life and every Catholic I know has no clue what that means. Meanwhile, every white supremacists, funny enough, seems to know.
Color me skeptical that it's an actual, normal, non-hate symbol of Catholicism.
28 “ ‘Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/leviticus/19-28.html
Mostly because it would detract from their own power. Doesn’t matter why I just hope they say No to a few of his “choice” picks.
Maybe a little humility to admit it’s impossible to be certain of such things and as such we shouldn’t join ANY cults. We could evolve into something greater then.
Peter Thiel funded JD, and they're true believers of Nick Land's right wing fake libertarian ideology.
They're trying to manipulate social reality for everyone in 🟥MAGA cult & in the media.
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Yeah we're fucked atm, it is what it is. I hope the GOP loses the house or senate by the midterms.
https://www.salon.com/2024/07/22/jd-vance-owes-almost-everything-to-peter-thiel-a-pro-billionaire-and-new-right-ideologue/
It's like people-powered fuel for Trump's cult.💰🐘 pay to make them think they're victims/victorious ✝️🙈crusaders. Ease of control.🔥
The guardrails last time is why you have him in power again.
it *will* be interesting to see how fast his dementia takes over bc he's already loony-tunes
will they 25th A him? if they do, then what?
praying that the fascists eat themselves before they can hurt anybody is nuts.
to be followed soon by the DNI, DOJ, DOD + HHS (+ everything else) if trumps gets his nominees in — to say nothing of all the loyalists in the the House + Senate
it's a fucking nightmare
as an aside, i've always found it interesting that 'America' is feminine, just like 'Mother Earth', yet these shit-bags hate (fear) human women w such a vehemence
Gaetz… calls out corruption…
THAT is HILARIOUS!!
He won’t be confirmed… and will be out of a job…
LOL!!
Look , that most people voted for this is not a reason to be servile ….and in some nations legit overthrow it. it is patently a flaw of the electoral system of democracy and your civil society
https://youtu.be/dVGINIsLnqU
The richest man in the world has the money to put out and change people's minds with propaganda!
Look at every single European country.
Germany, UK, Belgium, Sweden. They are all ruined. Import Middle East, become Middle East.
I never saw one of those in the military. I have seen them on white supremacists.
Rhineland massacres
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhineland_massacres#Background
Sack of Constantinople
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Constantinople
I feel for anyone who believes "its been adopted by the far right anything"
For most of it's a military loyalty thing nothing more.
I spent seventeen years in the military and never once saw it. I've only seen it on racists.
/s
If even theoretically True
How can God be on both sides as each believes?
Message from God:
Even God wants to be left alone at times
Every religion, like every nation, has bloody skeletons in its closet. We should be intelligent enough to honor the good parts, not glorify the horrors.
Seems disqualifying to me.
Especially if Netanyahu solidifies totalizing domestic fascism in 🇮🇱 in addition to the genocide against the Palestinian people.
Netanyahu is the 2nd horsemen of the apocalypse to them. They will follow him off a cliff eventually.
I remember firearm/tacticool companies printing Deus Vult (and other religion inspired shit) on swag more than 10 years ago. Thinking 2010 or so.
Heseth, a guy who paid off a woman after committing sexual assault is no christian. This should be said, plainly on the airwaves.
Listed.