I have never said most of the awful things horny gay men have said to me.
Meanwhile , women are stealing all of the best women for themselves.
Ironically , I am the only one who lost my job when I told a male coworker that he has pretty eyes ; I was not attracted to him . He still felt violated.
I’ve always liked the idea of wolf whistling fellas on a building site or whatever and getting a reaction. And look forward to the time that they respond with a laugh and a thank you. Not there yet
Homophobia: The fear that men will treat YOU the way you treat women, combined with the secret wish that some man would because that is all you've ever wanted but can never acknowledge it, so you buy a big truck and support Trump.
Ummm male female attraction is normal. Of course a heterosexual is going to be offended if someone of the same gender comes onto him or her. What's unnatural is to deny biology. How do you think humans reproduce?
Reproduction is merely a mechanical act that doesn't require attraction.
Its nice when attraction and reproduction go together but its not required so gay people could maintain reproduction without being "straight"
Nature is super gay and super trans. So I don't think you want to try and hold up biology or nature as a reason to justify your bigotry. And guess what? The vast majority of sex is done for fun not children.
This is def it bc this is the only logic that tracks with the amount of sexist gay men. But they don’t understand nuance so good luck explaining this to them 🤣
Ironically most of the men who fear that have no need to worry about anyone "checking out" any part of them. They'd have to get by on personality and we all know...well we all know about those types of dudes personalities.
Yes, and no. Depends on the person. I know plenty of homophobes who don't mind - even relish - being objectified by other men, BUT hate gay people in general because of some arbitrary reason in the Bible. People are weird, complex, and... yes, even stupid.
I don't think many people genuinely get their beliefs from the bible. They just use the bible as a shield for views they already held. Religious people tend to have a habit of selectively ignoring the lessons they don't agree with from their holy books.
A fair amount of religious conservatives who are inclined to be homophobic do, though very very hypocritical. But people in general do not. A lot of religious people in my experience are off.
We're overthinking homophobes here. They just love being tribal and attacking anything outside of their clique. Whether it's fans of an opposing football team or people of different races and sexual orientations, they want to lash out.
I don’t think it’s overthinking. I think it’s just, more than one thing. Some people it’s DEFINITELY what is shown in the comic. Some people it’s group mentality. I’m a lesbian who grew up in a fundamentalist religion so I used to have the homophobic belief that being gay was bad because god said so
a shiton of homophobic folkers i have met seem to be gay or bi & just grew up in an oppressive environment & lash out against those comfortable enough to love in their own skin.
def a bunch indoctrinated with hate since birth too.
I think two things can be true at once. A lot of men don't like gay men because they have the fear of being sexually assaulted o harassed (in the way they would do women). There's also the mindset of not wanting their children to be gay because it interrupts their structures or traditions.
I certainly don't claim to have the entire answer in my head, but when someone is dumb enough to be homophobic, I don't trust them to be able to articulate accurately why they feel that way. These people are often pressed on why they take stances, and the answer often boils down to "well, because".
I have friends that have gone through the journey from homophobic to accepting. I've been through that pipeline myself.
It's not that they are dumb, it's that their worldview is shaped around these ideas. They are the axioms of their moral identity, not to be questioned, just accepted. 1/3
It's like someone asking you why 1+1=2, there is no answer other than "just because".
And because everything they believe is built around these ideas, once someone challenges them, their only two options are to accept the new perspective and have their entire understanding of the world collapse 2/3
Or reject the idea and move on. The latter being the significantly easier choice.
The only way that I've discovered to get through that is to challenge them repeatedly, from a standpoint of empathy. Until the burden of holding onto their views becomes greater than that of changing their minds.
If the answer is "well because" that could be the beginning of the convo rather than the end. depends on your relationship with them and how you engage. If both sides are arguing in good faith, there's room for growth. It's not necessarily the lost cause that you're kind of making it out to be
I disagree. That’s projection. Men aren’t on the receiving end of toxic masculinity from gays because gays don’t try and harass any random man. When they do it it’s because they know the man is gay and identified as « fair game » and « sooner or later ».
Your opinions and beliefs have no impact on objective truth or reality. It's not about whether gay men harass straight men, it's about straight men being afraid of being treated and objectified the same way they treat women themselves.
The gay man's potential intentions are not the issue at all
Also a good opinion. This ties in with the notion of FEAR they wish women to feel. As a gay man in my forties I do see that women fear me now because I become a generic male in everyone’s view. I get scare jumps on the tram sometimes. Just passing through not minding you, ladies.
Just because their heuristic of deciding who is "in-group" and who is "out-group" is obvious and stupid doesn't mean it's not worth unpacking. How else are you supposed to counteract it?
I think at least some of it is due to lingering misperceptions that associate homosexuality with pedophilia.
When his disabled son was raped, my uncle raged against the gay community for years. It took a long time for him to accept that there's a big difference between being gay & being a pedophile
That's also the reason why there are men who don't want to be seen as feminine in any way shape or form. Because they know how they treat women and they don't want other men to treat them the same way.
For sure. And most of the insults men hurl at each other has to do with calling them a woman in some respect. So immature. Very disturbing mental health problems rampant.
I’ve thought about this and it is perfectly true. I’m not homophobic. I thought about the way I treat women and the. Thought about how I would feel if a man treated me that way. Not a problem.
haha good one @mariopro.bsky.social because our nation is sytematically homophonic and will be forever which is why I am going to vote for Kamala Walz in the next election because joy
I was bullied my entire life for being gay (am straight). So I naturally was homophobic because obviously being gay was a bad thing to be. It wasn't until after my first divorce in my mid 20s that I figured out that I was straight (wasn't sure due to the bullying), and being gay was just fine.
I always thought homophobia was really jealousy… something inside them needs to come out. For some reason they can’t. And when they see the openness of others it pisses them off and so they are just hateful towards it
My (then) girlfriend and I walked into a singles bar in SF a long time ago. Some guys checked out her ass, some checked out mine. I was impressed that mine looked good enough to get checked out.
Reminds me of working a long time ago in retail and one of the salesmen was very openly gay. Some of my (male) colleagues were complaining and making the wrong jokes. I asked them if he was touching their butts. NOOOO, they said. Ok, do you want him to ??? Apparently that was the wrong question.
I worked closely with a guy for a year. One day he went to kiss me after misreading something. I protested (nicely) but then found myself apologising if I’d misled him. I was angry with myself . I told my wife later, she laughed at me and said welcome to the world I’ve lived in since I was 14.
Fully agreed, but here's an alternate theory: the homophobe guy has a MUCH BETTER ASS than the guy staring at his ass.
I'm just saying, it might not be lust that's motivating the stare. It's, like, jealousy. This mf on the right can't get his own cake to bake, no matter how many squats he does.
Revulsion typically refers to a strong feeling of disgust or aversion. It's often triggered by something that is perceived as repulsive or morally offensive. The physical reaction might include nausea or a desire to move away from the source of revulsion.
Eh, I think the far more likely issue is that they see what they are doing as the right way to be a man and when they see other men doing things differently it makes them question themselves. And the old ways must never be questioned!!
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Put straight dudes through this & see how things change.
I also think the concept of a lack "physical threat" never makes this okay, regardless of who the victims is.
I image women don't ALWAYS feel threatened & that doesn't diminish their complaints, IMO.
It is so simple to say "hey so sorry I like the opposite sex" and move on BUT also accept this humbly because another being found you attractive.
Also keeps the adrenaline and cortisol low, cortisol being the bad hormone leading to heart problems.
I mean: "that gay is not looking at me. Am I not good enough?"
" Nah you're not my type."
"... Why not?!"
The artist who drew this is Andy Singer, a very good political cartoonist, whose work can be found here:
https://www.andysinger.com/index.html
Take it as a f**king compliment.
Woman: What's wrong with 2 women enjoying each other?
Man: nOt LikE ThAt
Woman: Yes, I too would love a threesome with 2 men.
Man: nOt LikE ThAt
Woman: Sure, I can give you a lend of my dildo and off you go.
Man: NoT LikE ThAt
Meanwhile , women are stealing all of the best women for themselves.
Ironically , I am the only one who lost my job when I told a male coworker that he has pretty eyes ; I was not attracted to him . He still felt violated.
Not only is it true but it really really hurts their feelings, it makes them very confused.
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Nail on head!!!
Its nice when attraction and reproduction go together but its not required so gay people could maintain reproduction without being "straight"
def a bunch indoctrinated with hate since birth too.
There's for sure an element of tribalism but there's definitely also an element of fear for the very patriarchy that men impose on others.
It's not that they are dumb, it's that their worldview is shaped around these ideas. They are the axioms of their moral identity, not to be questioned, just accepted. 1/3
And because everything they believe is built around these ideas, once someone challenges them, their only two options are to accept the new perspective and have their entire understanding of the world collapse 2/3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYbCE1udazw&t=292s
The only way that I've discovered to get through that is to challenge them repeatedly, from a standpoint of empathy. Until the burden of holding onto their views becomes greater than that of changing their minds.
The gay man's potential intentions are not the issue at all
Using such a statement to invalidate opinions isn’t right, or an appropriate use of that principle, however.
There is nothing objective in your opinion. Mine doesn’t contradict yours.
Eat a turkey leg.
Something about this topic seems to make you feel uncomfortable🤔
Depends on the person.
When his disabled son was raped, my uncle raged against the gay community for years. It took a long time for him to accept that there's a big difference between being gay & being a pedophile
2 panel cartoon
1: a man staring at a woman's bum thinking nice. A man staring at his bum thinking nice.
2: first man turns to second man, yells 'hey what are YOU staring at?
Title, Homophobia: the fear that men will treat YOU the way you treat women.
Any takers
I'm just saying, it might not be lust that's motivating the stare. It's, like, jealousy. This mf on the right can't get his own cake to bake, no matter how many squats he does.
Nobody would bother (or want to)looking at my butt.
Homophobia--fear that people will know you really like it the way you mistakenly think women like it.
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