“Would you make lions and bears stop eating meat?”
Lions and bears don’t create copious amounts of land and air pollution from factory farming. I don’t know why people try to use this as a “gotcha” all the time.
All issues of scientific reality aside, there's the question of how the predators would feel about it. The wolves might eventually accept eating carrots, but cats? There's going to be a WHOLE LOT of angry veggie tiger poop in some people's shoes. And then there's the weasels... 😱
New crop of anti-science nuts obsessed with huffing their own farts. Wow, never saw that before. This is the Militant Vegan Grifter Version. Ask him about vaccines. He will tell ya how it is
Sentient beings shouldn't harm each other. Latest this century and beyond, we'll have the tools to civilize the biosphere. But today, most people - including many scientists - still regard predation as something as inevitable as the second law of thermodynamics
Exactly! People and scientists still think that nature is intrinsically good but that is false. 👏👏👏 thanks for this answer and for the support to Wild Animal Ethics because it is for sure that many writers need to open their minds and start reading about animal ethics in the wild asap.
Indeed. One way to undercut status quo bias is a thought experiment. Imagine humanity were to encounter an advanced civilization that has herbivorized its biosphere. All sentient beings free from violence, terror and starvation. Would we urge them to restore ancestral horrors?
tbh i admire this level of idealism but there's something revolting about humans believing that they have the right to change the natural behaviors of animals with genetic technologies and "fertility control". That abstract reads as a human/tech supremacist dystopian nightmare imo
But humans _already_ intervene in Nature, massively. And humans already massively modify the behaviour of non-human animals. Consider factory-farming.
Is there really anything wrong with rival blueprints for a happy peaceful world where all sentient beings can flourish? https://www.gene-drives.com
I think the best possible relationship we could possibly have with nature would be a symbiotic one, not one where we (even benevolently) dominate it. And yeah I completely acknowledge humans already engage in horrific interventions, I don't think that should continue
Indeed. The level of suffering in the living world will shortly be ad adjustable parameter. What level is optimal? The whole biosphere is programmable. For better or worse, humans are acquiring Godlike powers over the rest of the living world. So should we be benevolent gods or callous gods?
Life began with competition over resources and quickly learned that those resources include other living things. You want to somehow undo that? It makes no fucking sense and I just fucking hate how dumb it is, how dumb everything is. Fuck you.
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Lions and bears don’t create copious amounts of land and air pollution from factory farming. I don’t know why people try to use this as a “gotcha” all the time.
https://www.hedweb.com/private/nature-without-suffering.pdf
Is there really anything wrong with rival blueprints for a happy peaceful world where all sentient beings can flourish?
https://www.gene-drives.com
https://www.hedweb.com/social-media/paradise.pdf