Or ask him for the name of one that follows a unregulated neoliberal capitalist model where there's no poverty and universal happiness. There really isn't one.
Oh there is poverty in Norway, just not nearly as much and even those in poverty have a safety net from the government, and I don't know of any food banks here.
People with a lot less, living payment to payment, usually in social housing, or private rentals paid via benefits. They are still poor compared to the average, but not nearly at the levels of squalour seen in the UK
The UK reverted to Socialism during the credit crunch and COVID.
Does he really believe free market non government intervention would somehow have pulled us through!?
The fact that these people continually need to be told just reflects their head in the sand attitude to a different reality.
We know all about fascist right wingers. They appear to know nothing about actual socialism and policies. And they show their complete ignorance as if it's a strength.
As someone who moved from Uk to Norway in 2011, I can say it’s not Utopia, but it’s so much better than what I left behind.
The feeling of Society and Togetherness is tangible. I find it difficult to imagine ever returning to UK.
I’d be quite interested in what it is that keeps it from being a utopia. In my naive mind all those scandi types have got everything right - school, welfare, equality and so on - what are the downsides?
Same for me. I moved from Germany to Northern Norway in 2011, and over time, I’ve come to appreciate how amazing this society works—compared to other European countries. From a Norwegian perspective, there’s still a lot that could be improved. (I’ve become Norwegian, haha!)
I lived and worked there for 6 years, as you say, not Utopia. But very near it. In the main, truly beautiful people with intellect, kindness and social responsibility.
I’m sorry you lost the freedom of movement I had back then.
Hoping things change some time in the future. It’s so true: you don’t know what you’ve got ‘til it’s gone.
Denmark and the state of Alabama both face a rising caseload of diabetes. Former Alabama Public Radio intern James Niiler reports next week from Aarhus on a possible Danish solution.
China is taking over the world. They are communists/capitalist. Russia is despotic communism. It funds a war with a second-class economic power house supported by half the world. American Capitalism was never on the ground floor of the global economy until WW2 made our floors the only ones not ruins
Let's face it, every time the country is on its knees a Labour government gets in.
Rebuilds the country, and then it's "Thanks very much, but we'll go back to the Tories, they can't be as bad now."
I don't think the private sector is the whole problem, but it is certainly a big chunk of it. And this free-market thinking needs to fuck off back to Eton where it came from.
I'm tired of hearing "the free markets will find the best solution.", "competition will be good for us all, leading to lower prices.", when all evidence and our lived experience point to exactly the opposite.
Those countries are also quite homogenous, or were until recently. Maybe the population is actually more important than the government they live under.
No. Somebody will always be at the bottom. Socialism wants that bottom to be a reasonable quality of life. It also accepts that rich people will exist with much better opportunities. Scandinavian countries are rated very highly for happiness. Money alone doesn’t buy that. It’s cold there too.
They balance socialism with controlled capitalism. Even capitalist countries have controls over markets, but less socialism. Even the US has some socialism. They’re not mutually exclusive. They’re largely independent.
hi i'm mexican and socialist-minded. this is unfortunately untrue, as our last president kind of made a mess of the healthcare system and now many millions of people lost access to hospitals that had it before. hopefully the new president (same party) will be able to do something about that.
The countries mentioned mix socialism with controlled capitalism, successfully. Capitalism is always controlled to some extent by governments. Not mutually exclusive. Right wingers don’t understand this and it undermines their greed. Most countries have some socialism, even the US.
The countries mentioned mix socialism with controlled capitalism, successfully. Capitalism is always controlled to some extent by governments. Not mutually exclusive. Right wingers don’t understand this and it undermines their greed.
I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone, who only a few weeks ago, stood silent in honour of those who gave their lives fighting Nationalist, Fascist, ultra Right-wing Nutjobs, could ever consider voting to put them in power...
The ignorance of these people is worn like a badge of pride. Do any of them ever read a book? Talk to anyone outside their echo chamber? Oblivious to 80%+ of what is happening in the world.
The people asking that question would certainly call those countries socialist considering they call people socialist simply because they want to tax billionaires or provide affordable health care to the poor.
All of which are capitalist countries. CATO, a libertarian think tank, ranks each of these in the top quartile and top thirty in economic freedom. Sweden tried a more socialist model in the 70s-90s where they centralised much of the economy, but that failed and now they have regressive tax rates.
The countries mentioned mix socialism with controlled capitalism, successfully. Capitalism is always controlled to some extent by governments. Not mutually exclusive. Right wingers don’t understand this and it undermines their greed.
Very little of these country’s economies are centralized tho, beyond bits of healthcare, and even that is getting some reform. The PM of Denmark once came to the US to talk about how capitalist his country was
Yet Scandinavian countries consistently rank as the happiest in the world and have fewer people in poverty. Despite their weather. Socialism and capitalism exist in most countries and aren’t mutually exclusive. Control of capitalism is normal in all countries too.
I’m not saying that Scandinavia isn’t happy, I’m saying that it isn’t socialist. Socialism is the centralization of capital, so that’s more like Venezuela or Cuba where you can’t start a business, not Sweden with universal healthcare.
I would also add Germany , France and the UK because if the USA is the baseline for happiness then these countries, despite their difficulties, are still happier. Remember that in a twisted Trumpian world any country that provides affordable healthcare and college education is socialist.
Better question for Ticey would be to name a single Capitalist Country with no poverty and wealth inequality. Something for him and his odious wife to consider over a bottle of Boli!
Has anyone seen what’s happening in China lately? The UK is like a third world country in comparison. Nothing works and there’s never been such a wide disparity between rich and poor.
All of these countries are certainly not socialist. They sre liberal and capitalistic, with state ownership comparable to that of USA! Social security is not socialism 🧐
The countries mentioned mix socialism with controlled capitalism, successfully. Capitalism is always controlled to some extent by governments. Not mutually exclusive. Right wingers don’t understand this and it undermines their greed. US is partially socialist.
The countries mentioned mix socialism with controlled capitalism, successfully. Capitalism is always controlled to some extent by governments. Not mutually exclusive. Right wingers don’t understand this and it undermines their greed.
They ain’t perfect but are successful in many areas that purely capitalist countries fail on. They use socialist principles to good effect and that upsets greedy capitalists who just want to be rich and sod everyone else. The rich Scandinavians are happy too as a result.
Nordic countries are capitalist WITH strong welfare systems. Most businesses are still privately owned (e.g., IKEA, Maersk). Nordic countries definitely have elements of capitalism like free trade and moderate corporate tax rates (e.g., Sweden’s 20.6%).
Good point. it is also inaccurate to claim that in these countries there is no poverty.
In fact, it is also questionable to assume that in a socialist country there should be no poverty. Under communism as a mode of production, certainly poverty should not exist. But under socialism, it does.
I have heard people argue against it saying it's a welfare model not a socialist one, I kinda know that is a wrong thing to say but I don't have enough knowledge on the topic to give a correct response, can you cite me some articles,
books?
Arguably more social democratic than 'socialist'. There will never be a country where everyone is happy. None of this alters the reality that Tice is an arse.
Yes. The two aren’t mutually exclusive and both are present in most countries. It’s which dominates. In the US people who don’t thrive are seen as losers. In more socialist countries they are helped.
The countries mentioned mix socialism with controlled capitalism, successfully. Capitalism is always controlled to some extent by governments. Not mutually exclusive. Right wingers don’t understand this and it undermines their greed.
Ok, to be precise: The political model of the Scandinavian countries is characterized by a mix of democracy, social democracy, and capitalism, and is known as the Nordic model.
More socialist than the US where so many people seem very unhappy. You can argue over labels but it’s hard to argue they’ve not been successful with their model. Socialism and capitalism aren’t mutually exclusive.
I can think of quite a few capitalist countries where there is little or no socialism and there is such grave poverty and nobody is happy. If anything, everybody is bloody angry, so what's this twat banging on about? Multi millionaire real estate tycoon, man of the people, don't make me laugh.
This kind of equivocation only muddied the water, confusing people further. These countries are not socialist in the sense that the working class owns the means of production. They are capitalist, some even imperialist, nations with some safety-net social programs and healthcare.
Lovely Richard has recently had to change his surname (his family became nauseous while using it) to Richard Turd.
It’s certainly a truer description of who he is
Name me one right wing fascist like country where everyone is happy, that is among those who are allowed to say it, whilst being bombarded with mind numbing lies and propaganda.
The countries mentioned mix socialism with controlled capitalism, successfully. Capitalism is always controlled to some extent by governments. Not mutually exclusive. Right wingers don’t understand this and it undermines their greed.
All the fascist simps only cite the socialist nations in the Global South ... where socialism didn't fail, but was upended by US intervention to sell off national resources to multinational corporations, e.g. Chile in the early 70s, Venezuela recently.
And Spain. Free market but Socialist regime. They have high-speed rail connecting all major cities. The best road infrastructure in the world (I've driven through 50+ countries) and everything works.
Having visited Norway and Iceland they are clean, well cared for and the people are happy. They are also miles ahead when it comes to alternative energy.
Yes, and Norway has a $2 trillion wealth fund (in Canadian dollars) because of their socialist approach to resource management. Private companies are allowed to make a fair profit, and the state gets a fair share of the revenue. Capitalism is regulated in a fair way and everybody wins.
sorry to be picky he only said one you denied several of us if joining in the fun,
Am off, sure I have already blocked him, but still better check.
The only idiot I want in my timeline is me.
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Does he really believe free market non government intervention would somehow have pulled us through!?
We know all about fascist right wingers. They appear to know nothing about actual socialism and policies. And they show their complete ignorance as if it's a strength.
The feeling of Society and Togetherness is tangible. I find it difficult to imagine ever returning to UK.
Hoping things change some time in the future. It’s so true: you don’t know what you’ve got ‘til it’s gone.
Following.
- providing evidence
- explaining why he is wrong
- giving him the benefit of the doubt
All things to be avoided!
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If socialism is so bad, why are they always rushing to sell of what socialism has built?
Rebuilds the country, and then it's "Thanks very much, but we'll go back to the Tories, they can't be as bad now."
Then the piper comes calling for all the long-fuse chaos the Tories caused before they left and lo-and-behold, they blame Labour for it.
Hell, they're blaming Labour now for the immigration figures of last year.
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Thatcher took an axe to industrial Britain and left desolation in her wake, yet there are working class people isolating her.
Not one privatised sector is working, yet somehow it's all the fault of the current government, for not fixing everything immediately.
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Some people must be at the bottom.
Socialism simply states that nobody should.
The trope in this guy’ post is so utterly tired and one dimensional that it’s shocking at this point.
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They’re a step in the right direction but there’s a goal beyond them.
Unfettered capitalism, crushes all before it, attempting to feed an insatiable appetite for ever more.
This is a failure of government and legislature.
They've demonised socialism effectively, so we must push egalitarianism.
The difference is, are people starving to death or dying in the street because you feel they deserve to?
Nobody deserves to. Yes, not even criminals. They deserve a warm prison cell.
Badenoch , Bannon,and far Right wing newspaper owners .
#socialism #switzerland #development
Why do people with any brains follow the likes of this prick?
Reform is a compony of rich arseholes.
For someone standing at the North Pole, all points of the compass are south.
The reality is far more nuanced
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
I’m perfectly happy for anyone to applaud and advocate for their models, just no need to pretend they’re something which they’re not.
Look closer and there is a variety of issues relating to capitalism.
In fact, it is also questionable to assume that in a socialist country there should be no poverty. Under communism as a mode of production, certainly poverty should not exist. But under socialism, it does.
books?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
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I suggest looking elsewhere for inspiration of the ideal "socialist" country... or better yet, be the first to realize it.
If an increasingly social darwinist and racist brand of social democracy for only>
Can he say where a capitalist country spreads its waelth equitably so it is fairly distributed.
That goes against his existence.
It’s certainly a truer description of who he is
Does that count?
https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/travel/worlds-happiest-city-places-make-great-3382830#:~:text=In%20Aarhus%2C%20leisure%20time%20is,(The%20City%20of%20Smiles).
The shame that I feel is palpable. 💔😢
- Ok, well let's just do what they're doing, it seems to be working great.
".. NO THAT'S SOCIALISM!"
👉🏼 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6221922/#:~:text=The%20literature%20previously%20cited%20and,longevity%20over%20the%20same%20period.
Am off, sure I have already blocked him, but still better check.
The only idiot I want in my timeline is me.
the same countries,
that appear atop,
surveys for where,
people are happiest?