Orban exists because of Hungarian resentment over the Treaty of Trianon just as Trump exists because of white resentment over Brown vs. Board of Education.
I guess the Hungarian people will have to decide whether that resentment is worth the cost. Joining HItler in the last war for that very reason didn't do them any good.
This is a cautionary tale - the US is well on its way to this economic chaos and misery and Canada(if it elects PP with his IDU backers - Harper, Modi, Orban). Unfortunately, captured, corrupt media and voter apathy are at an all time high and waking people up seems damn near impossible 🤔🤬
The MAGGOTs are locked in an echo -chamber and will eventually fight each other like rats in a sack to get out once the economy slowly but surely collapses.
I cannot believe that the CEOs will allow their profits to disappear if the US economy goes off the rails. I'm convinced that they will step in before that happens. Same with deporting illegal immigrants. Businesses rely on them, and people want fresh meat in the stores at reasonable prices.
Orbán is a traitor to Hungary. And he has picked the wrong horse too. I can only hope that his days are numbered but it will be difficult to get rid of him given the rigging he has done.
As history shows us this happens to authoritarian regimes everywhere. It always comes with corruption and uber wealthy on the sideline who are interested in nothing but to line their pockets.
And HE still sings Orbáns praises…because he wants the same here…money in his pocket and power are the only things that drive this orange thing, no love of country, concern for the citizens…nothing but his own desires for power and profit!
I believe Club Moscow is accepting members. If Hungary doesn’t like democracy and cooperation, it can leave the EU. Same stupidity in the UK. The Brexiteers hated being ‘dictated by EU bureaucrats’ but are moist at the idea of Musk taking over together with Farage 🙄
Say it ain't so Viktor&don't yall be too surprised when his fellow bestie&our soon to be Kakistocracy(7Days)in the USA via a"Proxy Potus"by $Scotus&a"Billionaire(immigrant) Apartheidian"who btw, slithered in our own Orban styled"Camarilla"who'll gladly,"BAIL-OUT"a fellow"Despot"using our $Tax-Dols?
Just like red states. Their economy is 100% dependent on Federal subsidies, as the Hungarian economy depends on Brussels funding. And also, the Federal Funding is paid by taxes from Blue States, as Brussels by German and French taxpayers (and Belgium, Netherlands, etc... just using avatars).
20 years ago, HU forint bought €4. Today, the equivalent is €2.44. Tells its own story and has made the cost of living crisis much worse for ordinary Hungarians.
Funny thing about sociopathy. If you are unable to understand fully the impacts of your actions on the people around you, it's also difficult to fully anticipate the consequences when their pain and suffering comes back around to its author.
This is getting as little attention as the overthrow of the Georgian government through a corrupt election, driven by Putin. Orban is the only European leader who has supported the pro-Putin group in Georgia. The same guy who is great pals with Trump. Join the dots western leaders.
One inevitable result of authoritarianism is ALWAYS economic crisis. That's because authoritarianism is just another name for a gangster trying to take something from someone(s) they couldn't possibly get honorably on their own.
Morality.
Decency.
We've lost it under Trumposhenko and Russians.
So now Orban will blame the EU for all problems he has created in his country and the question is if the people of Hungary will still believe in his populistic propaganda?
Bibi’s work for world peace can not be underestimated. I agree they need a new leader, but Russia and Irans support of Islamist’s in that region must be wiped out. Syria was a nice ending of 2024. Hope they can build something nice when they have chance. Russia will obviously try to sabotage though.
I agree. Israel's relentless push has caused the collapse of Syria, near destruction of Hamas and Hezbollah, and deeply wounded Iran. I'm concerned about how Iran will try to save face, as professor Eliot Cohen suggested, by pursuing nuclear weapons. Like that ignition component they're missing.
I'm thankful for the 100 year life of Jimmy Carter. May a woman or man of like character rise up one day soon to preside over the American federal government.
Hungary has lost €1.44bn in EU funds permanently, with another €19bn frozen. As a Swedish taxpayer who contributes more than we receive from the EU, I welcome this accountability - especially after Hungary's NATO delay tactics with Sweden. Fair is fair and Orbanistan is on my shitlist.
Democracy is messy, the problem with Hungary is more the goverment control of tradicional media and propaganda than anything wrong with the people. You should not give up of the people just because they elect people we don’t agree with.
Just addressing the EU perspective Nato is more complicated. If you are a European citizen you have to think what is good for your nation and Europe overall. I believe that if people are adequatly informed they will elect adequate people. When dem institutions colapse the system may stop working.
The problem is when politicians live by the adage "the one that has the will to win has the heart of an assassin", instead of seeing to it that your people flourish.
That is a real argument. But it is also a real problem to have a member state in a union where it's mandatory to be a full democracy, to become authoritarian and side with the adversaries of the union.
EU does have Article 7, which not an expulsion but suspension of membership rights (i.e. most importantly: no voting right/veto for Orban in this case). But that's the "nuclear option" and also tricky to get done.
What will be the warning signs to American businesses, believing prosperity & profits await them, under authoritarian rule? What will distinguish corruption *practices *and interests* in a US autocracy, vs breadth & level of corruption occurring in Hungary, or as treacherous & deadly as in Myanmar?
How does a nation slide into a kleptocracy of chaos & corruption, administered by *foreign interests*, managed locally by an array of military militias, and underground crime syndicates (and who supplies them with their weapons?), as seems to be the case in Myanmar,
& what projections are US public health experts making, as to how autocratic policies and *censored data* practices, (or erasures of data bases?) will impact US public health practice, oversight, PH research,
all PH policy issues, hospital utilizations, community resources available & decision making on uses of those resources & impact on folks who rely on those services, etc ( as well as impact of expected global mass migrations, w/ crime & corrupt practices in US,
What do experts expect will occur in communities currently targeted for gun trafficking, as *systems of oversight, enforcement & accountability* are systematically dismantled & sabotaged and data collection hidden?
Maybe – stick with me here – Conservatives suck at economics (and always have), they just benefited from poor analysis in the corporate press, and lots & LOTS of aggressive marketing on their own behalf.
But ultimately, Liberals balance budgets better, and lift all economic boats more efficiently.
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A large sycophantic class of corrupt politicians and oligarchs is required.
They will inevitably steal from each other as well…
Because SHIT always stinks!
Trapped in the theatre.
The other side is a dismissal of history, fatal ignorance, and an inability to grasp the inevitable consequences of their crimes.
Morality.
Decency.
We've lost it under Trumposhenko and Russians.
And theres a thief amongst us by the name of Victor Orban.
Probably true in Israel.. Bibi trial... Is he guilty and if so can they get him while in office?
Orban has been skating on thin ice forfar too long !
Unfortunately all of us
Lots of promises and noise;
Lots of annoyances;
And finally,
Lots of disappointment and misery.
Is this where he's taking us?
Is Hungary paying their NATO dues? That was a Trump complaint!
But ultimately, Liberals balance budgets better, and lift all economic boats more efficiently.
Magats never believe the facts it seems... 😢