It was an FSB set-up ment to belittle Zelenskyy. But the effect is the exact opposite: Zelenskyy single-handedly caused the whole Trump administration to behave like morons, to sway with their impotent dicks and scream like a bunch of crybabies. They only embarrassed themselves.
As a Peter Theil acolyte, Vance wants to see the West devolve into a collection of feudal societies dominated by oligarchs, particularly tech oligarchs. He - and they - see democracy as an obstacle to achieving that vision.
Even after all these years of Trump, Vance seems to add another dimension of uncanny ability to make things go to complete shit. First Munich, now this.
I guess it's more than a rumour that Trump is working for Putin, it's so obvious after what happened today. They are celebrating now in Moscow with champagne and caviar...
Absolutely. We have Chinese warships off the coast here now. My parents former country is in the tank for Putin - shamefully. Dark times. Wishing you well
After all 47’s whining about Russia, Russia, Russia… he is now proving beyond a doubt that he is in fact with Russia. Funny how most of us knew with a brain this.
Let's all neuter degenerates Trump/Vance. Please, everyone, promote the Ukrainian donation site - all donations go directly to the Ukrainian treasury to fight the Russians and rebuild Ukraine. Imagine if 10 million people around the world donated $100/month. (= $1 Billion/month)
I don't see how this backfired. Fox is reporting this positively for Trump. Zelenskyy is portrayed as a whining, ungrateful war-monger. Republicans fall into line.
Until now Ukraine had bi-partisan support. Now it is divided along party lines.
Unfortunately, this is a win for Trump
True. Starmer - perhaps more cleverly - contradicted Vance but not Trump. The manbaby does not like being contradicted in public even when he's talking garbage.
And Starmer is too old a hand at dealing with hostile witnesses like Vance. The horrendous lack of debate in the Senate and Congress means an experienced parliamentary like Starmer can outmatch the likes of Vance. Harvard must be so proud.
He knew what he was getting into. He knew there wouldn't be any deal, but that his appearance would play well among allied nations (i.e. not us). He came across as statemanlike and unwilling to bend to childish tantrums.
Indeed he did. Vance is a financed and groomed puppet for Thiel. The dystopian techno-fascist corporation state of “Dark Enlightment” - +Musk and his signaling Dark maga hat, he not on the orange/red team.
Is he not just playing bully side-kick? The snivelling coward, goading and jeering from the sidelines, sadistically delighting in the pain and humiliation of the target, and desperately defecting attention away from their vulnerability as weak and loathsome abject creatures.
@anneapplebaum.bsky.social , can you please expand on that, why would JD do that, is it that he really in not an America First but America Only believer?
if the EU regulates tech. to reduce the bullsh*t, (i.e. when it regulates tech (as it must)), it restricts tech oligarchs in the usa from making more money. trump and vance, just like putin, are making a deal with these people. deal is: if you help keep me in power, i’ll help you do what you want.
The only foreign leader Vance looks up to is Orban, who ironically vomited up a bunch of stuff about being against mixed-race societies a few years ago.
Trump out of his league in visits with Macron and Starmer, was caught out each time blubbering. Absolutely Vance was sat there to blow things up with volume and bile, to deflect from Trump blathering, to attack Zelensky on his own, who was doing his best in English to remain cool in a room of goons.
I was struck too how Zelensky was having to contend to this unexpected attack from the VP in English, under pressure & in real time. Both Trump and Vance, along with the entire GOP, are out of their leagues and their election to lead the country is sign of the rot and final end to what was the USA.
At about 20 minutes in- Trump told a reporter he would send arms to Ukraine- and then one male Polish reporter really got under Vance’s skin near the end.
Vance is the only representative of 'techno-fascist' wing of Trump admin that is allowed to do foreign policy. So he does what this wing comes up with. This is the same DOGE playbook, it's just they barely have any authority here.
it's all professional wrestling with these guys. they choreograph these stunts and their base thinks its real. meanwhile the rest of us are like HELLOOOO THIS IS FAKEEE
money and power through the richest. just. like. putin. why is putin so rich? in exchange for tacit permission to exploit russian markets for personal gain, they keep putin rich and in power. no different here.
Real modern warfare just doesn’t need to fire one bullet. Putin has manoeuvred this over the past 8 years and horrifically, the gate has been left wide open.
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The same purpose they have for everything: money. Its genuinely no more complicated than that for them. Putin is the one who wants destabilization. But he can get that through manipulating trump. For trump its pure greed.
Disgusting! Trump and Vance displayed mobster hijacking --the whole world saw the primary method of belligerence. "You have to be thankful!" Mob boss didn't get Ukraine to bow to extortion. Putin was the puppet master of that conversation, pulling the strings that moved Vance and Trump's jaws.
Stuffed Shirt Vance (puppet for Theil-Musk plans for a post-Trump presidency) participated as co-thug with Trump. Vance and Trump showed the world they are political mobsters, not leaders for a better world. The moral collapse of the GOPutinist party was on full display. American must change-fast!
time to cut a deal with FRANCE and ENGLAND right? someone with nuke mussel.. How about Taiwan? Take the lesson from N Korea. get nukes.. do not give up nukes.
Bullies need to be confronted because behind the facade they are weak, small-minded cowards. Zelinskyy stood up for the truth and I hope he knows that there is an ocean of support for him and Ukraine here in the US. I guess Republicans don’t care about Russia’s Forced Disappearances or the CAT
Trump and Vance’s sole goal was to humiliate Zelensky. Now they have pretended to negotiate and can continue to make deals with Putin. They have stabbed Zelensky and Europe in the back.
Too right he did. Yesterday Keir Starmer cut him dead & no doubt Vance received a bollocking from his Russian handler, so today he had to 'man up' and go for the kill otherwise an open 10th floor window was awaiting his tumble. The twat.
He's as good as finished & so is Trump.
Donny was dementing before our eyes. Couchboy came to the rescue in the most degrading display of out of touch diplomacy ever (if that even comes within a lightyear of what we witnessed). Just KNOW that the EU has supported Ukraine all the way. ✊🏼
This is the true little big man: His body is small, but his spirit is BIG. He is like the Mahatma, who stood up to the British Empire. He is the man, like Gandhi, who wears his "loin cloth" to the White House. He is our greatest example of democratic fearlessness that we all need to possess on Earth
FUCK YOU TRUMP, YOU RUSSIAN STOOGE!!! YOU WORK FOR PUTIN YOU BOUGHT AND PAID FOR WHORE. TRUMP YOU NEED A JUNTA GOVT TO JAIL YOUR ORANGE FAT STINKY DIAPER RASH ASS AND HANG YOU FOR FUCKING TREASON. FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes. And the bully ambush was followed by the bully snicker & looking back at Administration members for them to join in the laughter and they did. Leaving Rubio looking sick… again… on the couch
Trump & Bance think this makes America look strong? Putin is the invader, the aggressor, the long term enemy. POTUS should be lecturing Putin in public and demanding that he give Ukraine back its country. Standing up to Russia shows strength, not lecturing Ukraine for being “ungrateful”.
Why are the American people actually watching Trump and his administration attacking democracy in America, beating up former allies, making themselves look small in front of Putin? Why are there no demonstrations? Why no clear opposition? Or am I just not hearing it?
Until the people who elected trump become dissatisfied with his performance any attempt to apply pressure via protests etc would be providing trump with a foil to blame & use as a distraction
People are organizing and preparing. The 50501 campaign has established a MO and brand already.
Musk just said if they pass that budget it will bankrupt us. They're not listening. When we crumble, what could stimulate the economy again..? I KNOW! A WAR!! But who do we have a made-up issue with? Ukraine!!! Cuz he didn't respect the office enough to wear a suit!! If there is a God, pls save us
I don’t know where you’re looking. The mainstream press is so overwhelmed just trying to get out the insane stories they don’t do heavy coverage of the protests. You could join us in boycotts of billionaires products like Amazon…
Boycotts are great. But we need the morale boost that only comes from solidarity in the streets. Leaders, the world, federal workers need to see that people give a damn.
I don’t know where you’re looking but we’re out there. Most of them I see us sharing with each other on social media. It’s how we organize after all. And Democratic congresspeople are out front a lot. A lot of their work must be inside which they film and share on social media.
Can’t bear to watch again but didn’t the Kohl Miner’s Daughter use the word “litigate” where he could (and should) have said “negotiate”? Zelenskyy wasn’t in court.
Let's not forget, 77 million people voted for this, not because of the price of eggs, but because they wanted an American president and administration that bullies others and portrays America as the tough nation it is!
It was certainly a stage-managed piece of theatre. The tantrum was a reaction to Zelensky's refusal to sign a minerals deal for free. Bully Trump hates not getting his own way.
Exactly how I saw this. Just like back at school - 2 big bullies picking on the little guy. Huge respect to Zelenskyy for holding his ground. A true leader standing up for his country and holding on to the little bargaining power he has. I just hope Europe can show some solidarity now
America is now getting colonized by Russia. I guess it was the general plan made by Putin. Trump has no clue how to end the war, so this was his escape route.
My $0.02. Thiel is behind Vance, so Vance has been following Thiel's instructions. Thiel wants to get rid of US democracy (a population that is allowed to vote infringes on his freedoms), and he also wants to destroy the EU because of the regulations there.
Yes…..and funny but there is no good purpose to Vance! He is another weird change in the second pawn!
All this shows is Trump trying to cast others as the problem but he is the issue! No one else!
But Anne why would he do that? Say more. Give us some ideas on why you think he would do that. Yes absolutely he blew that meeting up. Was he trying to show he has power? Was he performing for Trump? Do you think it was good cop bad cop? Do you think Trump needed to be thanked so he put Vance to it?
The redneck sociopathic bully just behaving in his usual manner. Unqualified for the job, to say the very least. An embarrassment to the country and a danger. These useful idiots for Russia are taking the U.S. down a seriously horrific path.
Hmmm. Might explain SOME of it. Actually, if I were younger, I might have been one of the girls who shoved him into his locker. Even at a pretty young age, I could recognize & 'tag' them :)
I think it was all a setup by Trump and Vance. Zelensky wasn't playing ball, wouldn't agree to their deal, so they decided to confront him in public and try to humiliate him. That's why the TASS guy was present.
OMG! Trump wants the rare earth minerals from Ukraine. But not through Ukraine. But through Russia!! It’s pretty clear to me after watching that takedown of Zelensky that very likely Trump has already made a deal with Putin. That’s the deal I would like to discus
I don't think he did. I think he was just trying to impress Daddy Trump by having something to say since he's increasingly irrelevant with Vice President Musk around.
We, in the UK, have to separate ourselves from the USA. They are not our friends (at the moment, at least). Our future should lie in Europe. We must not subjugate ourselves to this US administration. Starmer needs to lay this out, as diplomatically as possible, to it's citizens. It will cost though.
Is it because the mineral resources we supposedly were going to get are going to be so costly for US to mine and Trump realized we figured out he’s even more of an idiot? I am so disappointed in the US people electing a fascist. Vance is awful and in many ways more scary than Trump.
He was doing the work he was born into MAGAWorld to do (wake the prez up when he dozes off and then step back with a wince when the Dozer stirs and realizes his lapdog has just bested him for the evening news soundbite)
Others are saying that. What gives you that idea? To me Vance is just sucking up to Trump first and then blew up when Zelensky lectured him on the trustworthiness of Putin. And then a whole litany of grievances came out of both Trump and Vance. Vance btw, is clearly very lacking in...knowledge say
Absolutely. Scripted, just like the Vance speech in Munich. This is all business negotiation strategy. Over the lives of millions. Disgusting beyond measure.
Trump is a grifter and a solipsist. He just wants praise and easy money. Vance is a wounded animal, with a keen mind and a hateful heart dead set on revenge against a society he hates. His own.
The whole world was an eye witness. And the chearing GOP and MAGA don’t realise that the loser here was not Zelenskyy. The US has now separated themselves from the free world, lost all allies and sided with dictators like Putin, Un and MBL. There will be high prices to pay in Gilead 2.0
Not only the GOP and MAGA TBH. Like ot or not this is done in the name of US of A. Opposition better start opposing and show the world they take the seriousness of the situation into account.
And the GOP are treadonweasels all of them unless they act.
You do know only the Executive has police and military violence to use. Democrats used to executives who are lawful are trying to figure this out what kind of powers we have with a lawless president. Ideas welcome.
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It is time the world’s democratic leaders step up and take care of the trump regime once and for all. They need to make public ALL the surveillance intel they have!
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Until now Ukraine had bi-partisan support. Now it is divided along party lines.
Unfortunately, this is a win for Trump
Why would you look up to a leader who literally trashes your own family?
I'm so ashamed and furious. No ally should trust us. 😟
Well done Selenskyj 👍
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He didn't backed her.
Everybody can crush that man.
Always stand with those fighting for freedom from tyranny!!!
In Europe we don't understand what is happening. And are shocked.
A clear MAGA (Make America Gross Again) win
And they simply get stupidly rich while the world burns. Pretty straight forward. No tedious discussions like in those pesky democracies…
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His inchoate Russia hoax rant after Zelensky refused to grovel was pure projection.
(That means: yepper.)
Fking morons fk them
He's as good as finished & so is Trump.
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They want an excuse to cut ties with Zelenskyy and hand victory to Russia.
I’m no rocket scientist but even I can see what’s going on.
Lindsay Graham was also in on it
People are organizing and preparing. The 50501 campaign has established a MO and brand already.
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This is insane!!! You are organizers. ORGANIZE!!!!
By April the economy will be In free fall and that would result in a consensus among the American population the Trump has to go
From there, things might get ugly
Vincent & Trump insulted him repeatedly to belittle him.
Marina
France. 🇺🇦🇫🇷🇪🇺
All of them are sock puppet toadies for Trump’s dictates.
This an’t rocket science or brain surgery.
Jesus Christ, wake the Fu8k up.
This is Donald Trump, the mob boss.
This is a Jim jones cult
psychic epidemic.
Surely not.
America bought the ticket. Sadly the rest of the free world gets to take the ride.
He kept looking at them while he was blowing Trump.
Purposeful harassment and humiliation of Zelensky
“Make Russia Great Again”
I'd call him a piece of shit, but that's giving pieces of shit a bad rap.
We're sorry, Ukraine,
We're sorry World.
We voted for her
We voted for sanity
All this shows is Trump trying to cast others as the problem but he is the issue! No one else!
No UK visit for Trump!
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/no-2nd-state-visit-for-donald-trump
But, actually - I‘m quite sure what is a factor in that…
She had to stick with Magas racists comments.
You know, daddy has a job now.
Would you please, PLEASE help us get this message to all of our fellow Americans?
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Trump is a Traitor to the free world!
And the GOP are treadonweasels all of them unless they act.
It was such a pathetic spectacle.