It was an FSB set-up ment to belittle Zelenskyy. But the effect is the exact opposite: Zelenskyy single-handedly caused the whole Trump administration to behave like morons, to sway with their impotent dicks and scream like a bunch of crybabies. They only embarrassed themselves.
As a Peter Theil acolyte, Vance wants to see the West devolve into a collection of feudal societies dominated by oligarchs, particularly tech oligarchs. He - and they - see democracy as an obstacle to achieving that vision.
While I admit that I did not expect things to be as outrageously bad as they have turned out to be these past two months, I knew it would be bad / at this point nothing from him / Vance surprises me anymore
I think the US will v soon be run like Hungary & Russia / an autocracy
Even after all these years of Trump, Vance seems to add another dimension of uncanny ability to make things go to complete shit. First Munich, now this.
I guess it's more than a rumour that Trump is working for Putin, it's so obvious after what happened today. They are celebrating now in Moscow with champagne and caviar...
Absolutely. We have Chinese warships off the coast here now. My parents former country is in the tank for Putin - shamefully. Dark times. Wishing you well
After all 47’s whining about Russia, Russia, Russia… he is now proving beyond a doubt that he is in fact with Russia. Funny how most of us knew with a brain this.
Let's all neuter degenerates Trump/Vance. Please, everyone, promote the Ukrainian donation site - all donations go directly to the Ukrainian treasury to fight the Russians and rebuild Ukraine. Imagine if 10 million people around the world donated $100/month. (= $1 Billion/month)
I don't see how this backfired. Fox is reporting this positively for Trump. Zelenskyy is portrayed as a whining, ungrateful war-monger. Republicans fall into line.
Until now Ukraine had bi-partisan support. Now it is divided along party lines.
Unfortunately, this is a win for Trump
True. Starmer - perhaps more cleverly - contradicted Vance but not Trump. The manbaby does not like being contradicted in public even when he's talking garbage.
And Starmer is too old a hand at dealing with hostile witnesses like Vance. The horrendous lack of debate in the Senate and Congress means an experienced parliamentary like Starmer can outmatch the likes of Vance. Harvard must be so proud.
He knew what he was getting into. He knew there wouldn't be any deal, but that his appearance would play well among allied nations (i.e. not us). He came across as statemanlike and unwilling to bend to childish tantrums.
Indeed he did. Vance is a financed and groomed puppet for Thiel. The dystopian techno-fascist corporation state of “Dark Enlightment” - +Musk and his signaling Dark maga hat, he not on the orange/red team.
Is he not just playing bully side-kick? The snivelling coward, goading and jeering from the sidelines, sadistically delighting in the pain and humiliation of the target, and desperately defecting attention away from their vulnerability as weak and loathsome abject creatures.
@anneapplebaum.bsky.social , can you please expand on that, why would JD do that, is it that he really in not an America First but America Only believer?
The only foreign leader Vance looks up to is Orban, who ironically vomited up a bunch of stuff about being against mixed-race societies a few years ago.
Trump out of his league in visits with Macron and Starmer, was caught out each time blubbering. Absolutely Vance was sat there to blow things up with volume and bile, to deflect from Trump blathering, to attack Zelensky on his own, who was doing his best in English to remain cool in a room of goons.
I was struck too how Zelensky was having to contend to this unexpected attack from the VP in English, under pressure & in real time. Both Trump and Vance, along with the entire GOP, are out of their leagues and their election to lead the country is sign of the rot and final end to what was the USA.
Although Mr. #Zelenskyy had learned English well enough by age 16 to study abroad if his father had let him, I admired the Ukrainian 🇺🇦 president all the more today for the way he defended himself and his country against an ambush in a foreign language. #SlavaUkraini
When Brian Glenn, a Trump-supporting journalist, tried to tell Zelenskyy off for not wearing a suit, Zelenskyy replied quick as a flash: "I will wear a costume when this war is finished. Maybe something like yours. Maybe something better."
At about 20 minutes in- Trump told a reporter he would send arms to Ukraine- and then one male Polish reporter really got under Vance’s skin near the end.
Vance is the only representative of 'techno-fascist' wing of Trump admin that is allowed to do foreign policy. So he does what this wing comes up with. This is the same DOGE playbook, it's just they barely have any authority here.
Yes, Vance did try to derail the meeting with Starmer, by trying to rile Starmer by repeating the false accusation in his Munich lecture that the UK does not free speech. But Starmer calmly refuted Vance’s nonsense, and Trump let the moment pass.
I’m glad JD Vance tried to raise the issue of Free Speech. Your fellow journalists (Allison Pearson) being given nCHI by Essex Police. I’d like to be able to use words that may challenge people’s realities so my lesbian daughter can say no to a man in a dress with a penis claiming womanhood.
it's all professional wrestling with these guys. they choreograph these stunts and their base thinks its real. meanwhile the rest of us are like HELLOOOO THIS IS FAKEEE
Earlier in the Zel meeting there was a placed question about Starmers lack of support for "Freedom of Speech" following the UK Riots. Vance (&Rubio) said they raised it with KS. They have a warped sense of British justice and the responsibilities attached to that freedom.
Supposedly, "no-one" knows how this reporter got inside. "No-one" knew he was there. Supposedly, staff from WH didn't know about his/her presence in OO.
Can't imagine that anyone believes it🙈
Why? He was the catalyst to its ending. What’s his motive? He was caught like a little fawn in the headlights. The US under Trump is like watching a soap opera!
Vance also blew up Munich. But this is a blessing in disguise. Never seen Europe so connected & resolved. Putin wanted to prevent Ukraine in NATO. What he gets is Ukraine integrated in a European security architecture that is 10 times richer. This is what happens to tacticians who are not strategic.
Real modern warfare just doesn’t need to fire one bullet. Putin has manoeuvred this over the past 8 years and horrifically, the gate has been left wide open.
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The same purpose they have for everything: money. Its genuinely no more complicated than that for them. Putin is the one who wants destabilization. But he can get that through manipulating trump. For trump its pure greed.
Disgusting! Trump and Vance displayed mobster hijacking --the whole world saw the primary method of belligerence. "You have to be thankful!" Mob boss didn't get Ukraine to bow to extortion. Putin was the puppet master of that conversation, pulling the strings that moved Vance and Trump's jaws.
Stuffed Shirt Vance (puppet for Theil-Musk plans for a post-Trump presidency) participated as co-thug with Trump. Vance and Trump showed the world they are political mobsters, not leaders for a better world. The moral collapse of the GOPutinist party was on full display. American must change-fast!
time to cut a deal with FRANCE and ENGLAND right? someone with nuke mussel.. How about Taiwan? Take the lesson from N Korea. get nukes.. do not give up nukes.
Trump and Vance’s sole goal was to humiliate Zelensky. Now they have pretended to negotiate and can continue to make deals with Putin. They have stabbed Zelensky and Europe in the back.
Too right he did. Yesterday Keir Starmer cut him dead & no doubt Vance received a bollocking from his Russian handler, so today he had to 'man up' and go for the kill otherwise an open 10th floor window was awaiting his tumble. The twat.
He's as good as finished & so is Trump.
Donny was dementing before our eyes. Couchboy came to the rescue in the most degrading display of out of touch diplomacy ever (if that even comes within a lightyear of what we witnessed). Just KNOW that the EU has supported Ukraine all the way. ✊🏼
Yes. And the bully ambush was followed by the bully snicker & looking back at Administration members for them to join in the laughter and they did. Leaving Rubio looking sick… again… on the couch
Trump & Bance think this makes America look strong? Putin is the invader, the aggressor, the long term enemy. POTUS should be lecturing Putin in public and demanding that he give Ukraine back its country. Standing up to Russia shows strength, not lecturing Ukraine for being “ungrateful”.
Why are the American people actually watching Trump and his administration attacking democracy in America, beating up former allies, making themselves look small in front of Putin? Why are there no demonstrations? Why no clear opposition? Or am I just not hearing it?
Until the people who elected trump become dissatisfied with his performance any attempt to apply pressure via protests etc would be providing trump with a foil to blame & use as a distraction
People are organizing and preparing. The 50501 campaign has established a MO and brand already.
I think a combo—doesn’t seem like there’s much organized and the coverage of what protest does exist seems mostly local. After today I bought a plane ticket to fly across the country to protest on Tuesday whether something is organized or not. Hope this is a catalyst for others too.
By late March there will be somewhere in the realm of 300,000 laid off federal workers. Possibly as high as 500,000. Then there will be 150,000 NGO workers, people like my wife, who are now out of a job because of the grant freeze and USAID cuts
All of those job cuts together, concentrated in pockets all over the country (DC Metro, University / college towns across the country, West Virginia, Kansas, Alabama, etc etc) will mean cancelled orders and less customers and small and midsized businesses which will lay people off ->
Because DC is a disaster area. It is being burned to the ground, you just can't see the smoke. The only chance we have is for the governors to recognize the crisis and at least many of them to act in concert. Thus state Capitols
Why are you waiting for someone else to fix the problem? It is the problem of each American citizen. Get out there yourself. Get others to join you. Stop waiting for someone else. No one but you is going to save you. Superman is not coming.
Also, I am try to get others to join. That is part of what I am doing in here. I do appreciate your point though. I totally agree that we can’t wait to be saved. It’s on us. I am trying.
I agree it’s on each of us. I hope you can see that it would take me a long time to build up an activist organization with impact. I am doing individual things I can do. It doesn’t feel like it matters. Divesting. Boycott. Blackout. Local protest. Meanwhile large orgs are in place. If they’d act.
It’s good. But it would be so impactful of @moveon.org @indivisible.org would organize a mass march. I think there are good reasons for having one. Zelensky, Europe, Federal workers get no comfort from town hall protests. We could use the morale boost. And Trump and his minions would hate it.
People are protesting at state government buildings, federal buildings, tesla dealers, etc. I see people comparing to the country of Georgia, which can practically fit into our State of Georgia (1 of 50). Getting everyone to DC isn't like getting everyone to Tbilisi. People don't grasp this.
there *are* demonstrations in the US. you just aren't aware of them. but also understand it's a big country with a lot of land; protests only really have big impact in urban areas.
There have been protests, I’ve been to them. The media doesn’t cover them. They’re small now but I expect they’ll grow, especially as the economy tanks. A lot of Americans are also calling their representatives everyday, and picketing Tesla dealerships.
I don’t know where you’re looking. The mainstream press is so overwhelmed just trying to get out the insane stories they don’t do heavy coverage of the protests. You could join us in boycotts of billionaires products like Amazon…
Boycotts are great. But we need the morale boost that only comes from solidarity in the streets. Leaders, the world, federal workers need to see that people give a damn.
I don’t know where you’re looking but we’re out there. Most of them I see us sharing with each other on social media. It’s how we organize after all. And Democratic congresspeople are out front a lot. A lot of their work must be inside which they film and share on social media.
Can’t bear to watch again but didn’t the Kohl Miner’s Daughter use the word “litigate” where he could (and should) have said “negotiate”? Zelenskyy wasn’t in court.
Smart? Trump could easily with the most lethal military on Earth retaliate to a slight to his greatness with bombs. Europe needs to be careful around him. A state visit is not appeasement to a Hitler. And it’s Trump NOT on his turf, which throws him off. He may be less bully.
Let's not forget, 77 million people voted for this, not because of the price of eggs, but because they wanted an American president and administration that bullies others and portrays America as the tough nation it is!
It was certainly a stage-managed piece of theatre. The tantrum was a reaction to Zelensky's refusal to sign a minerals deal for free. Bully Trump hates not getting his own way.
Exactly how I saw this. Just like back at school - 2 big bullies picking on the little guy. Huge respect to Zelenskyy for holding his ground. A true leader standing up for his country and holding on to the little bargaining power he has. I just hope Europe can show some solidarity now
Trump should have stopped Vance's interference and then shut down the "meeting". The rest belonged behind closed doors. Sitting and berating Zelenskyy in front of open cameras is simply as amateurish and vile as only Trump can perform at that level of the political system.
Trump thought it would make "good TV" and that his supposed friend, Putin, would love it. Tormenting people is something Trump really enjoys and it's apparently more fun with the world watching. In other words, he can't help himself--it was just too much fun for him to pass up.
America is now getting colonized by Russia. I guess it was the general plan made by Putin. Trump has no clue how to end the war, so this was his escape route.
...from the dismantling of the CIA and exposure of names of spies to the dismantling of sanctions and foreign influence investigations to the treatment of Ukraine and NATO. You don't do everything on Putin's list unless you work for him.
2. Anyone still confused: Trump has chosen to side with Putin, and most likely has been a Russian asset for a long time. Only this can explain a series of decisions:
1. On behalf of America, I want to apologise to the Ukrainian people for the disgraceful bullying and betrayal by the dictatorial toddler in chief. I deeply hope that Europe will get it together quickly and make up for what you lose from America.
They’ve been waiting for this and now they have an administration that thinks Putin is being nice. He’s smarter than we give him credit for and knows how to stoke Trumps ego to get exactly what they’ve wanted.
My $0.02. Thiel is behind Vance, so Vance has been following Thiel's instructions. Thiel wants to get rid of US democracy (a population that is allowed to vote infringes on his freedoms), and he also wants to destroy the EU because of the regulations there.
Yes…..and funny but there is no good purpose to Vance! He is another weird change in the second pawn!
All this shows is Trump trying to cast others as the problem but he is the issue! No one else!
But Anne why would he do that? Say more. Give us some ideas on why you think he would do that. Yes absolutely he blew that meeting up. Was he trying to show he has power? Was he performing for Trump? Do you think it was good cop bad cop? Do you think Trump needed to be thanked so he put Vance to it?
The redneck sociopathic bully just behaving in his usual manner. Unqualified for the job, to say the very least. An embarrassment to the country and a danger. These useful idiots for Russia are taking the U.S. down a seriously horrific path.
I think it was all a setup by Trump and Vance. Zelensky wasn't playing ball, wouldn't agree to their deal, so they decided to confront him in public and try to humiliate him. That's why the TASS guy was present.
There are way too many who think Trump plans his tantrums. JD plans his tirades and knows how to push Trumps buttons. Read Bandy X Lee’s works, forensic psychiatrist to understand the dangerous toddler Trump is. He needs to be in prison, and not in charge of anyone.
The good possibility fr forensic psychiatry is when a thug lord is imprisoned or removed his cultlike followers lose their shared central obsessions/fears. Vance as president will not get religious devotion so less support.
Yes, that's my sense. And the Rs have nobody waiting in the wings who would even come close to replacing Trump as a cult leader. But this is one of the reasons I'm worried about them shutting down elections very soon (or instituting fake ones).
no ‘match’ for Trump is the goal. Reps will be less beholden to his base. There’s room to explore conservatism again. The party of states rights and family values might actually be more like that! Actual debates and compromises might be possible. Trust. Less fear.
OMG! Trump wants the rare earth minerals from Ukraine. But not through Ukraine. But through Russia!! It’s pretty clear to me after watching that takedown of Zelensky that very likely Trump has already made a deal with Putin. That’s the deal I would like to discus
I don't think he did. I think he was just trying to impress Daddy Trump by having something to say since he's increasingly irrelevant with Vice President Musk around.
We, in the UK, have to separate ourselves from the USA. They are not our friends (at the moment, at least). Our future should lie in Europe. We must not subjugate ourselves to this US administration. Starmer needs to lay this out, as diplomatically as possible, to it's citizens. It will cost though.
Apologies but I don’t think even Trump would destroy the post-war international order for this parasite. He has grudges against Ukraine and Zelenskyy that go back to his 1st term and he’s beholden to Putin. He as much as said it during his Oval Office rant yesterday.
He sees a peace deal as the way to wash himself clean and elevate his global status, and he is so fucking dumb he doesn’t get that forcing Ukraine at gunpoint to sign it, and rewarding Putin, will only make him more despised.
Jeffrey Epstein was a Mossad intelligence agent of influence collecting blackmail intel on US politicians and economic elite to allow Israel to exert pressure on the US.
Is it because the mineral resources we supposedly were going to get are going to be so costly for US to mine and Trump realized we figured out he’s even more of an idiot? I am so disappointed in the US people electing a fascist. Vance is awful and in many ways more scary than Trump.
He was doing the work he was born into MAGAWorld to do (wake the prez up when he dozes off and then step back with a wince when the Dozer stirs and realizes his lapdog has just bested him for the evening news soundbite)
Others are saying that. What gives you that idea? To me Vance is just sucking up to Trump first and then blew up when Zelensky lectured him on the trustworthiness of Putin. And then a whole litany of grievances came out of both Trump and Vance. Vance btw, is clearly very lacking in...knowledge say
Absolutely. Scripted, just like the Vance speech in Munich. This is all business negotiation strategy. Over the lives of millions. Disgusting beyond measure.
We all thought Trump was a terrible person.
Turns out that Vance is an even worse guy. For the 2nd time (after #MCS2025), his words are provocative (and plain lies).
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I think the US will v soon be run like Hungary & Russia / an autocracy
https://u24.gov.ua
Until now Ukraine had bi-partisan support. Now it is divided along party lines.
Unfortunately, this is a win for Trump
Why would you look up to a leader who literally trashes your own family?
I'm so ashamed and furious. No ally should trust us. 😟
Well done Selenskyj 👍
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghw-GmsOmRc
https://bsky.app/profile/plaintanjane.bsky.social/post/3ljbkgva4hs2f
https://youtu.be/wUkCulwzhMs?si=E2DkBx6A2pYAVNfX
He didn't backed her.
Everybody can crush that man.
Can't imagine that anyone believes it🙈
In Europe we don't understand what is happening. And are shocked.
A clear MAGA (Make America Gross Again) win
Ukraine 0
US -1
Russia 1
Look forward to our first failed t-bill auction soon. Yay 😕
And they simply get stupidly rich while the world burns. Pretty straight forward. No tedious discussions like in those pesky democracies…
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https://youtu.be/YsIntuxmXf0?si=uXALHekQl-AkasBZ
His inchoate Russia hoax rant after Zelensky refused to grovel was pure projection.
maybe something like you... maybe something better... I don't know (laughs in the backround)... maybe something cheaper...
Haha! great sense of humour in a dire situation. IMHO *this* is when Trump and Vance have lost. Pres. Zelenskyy is the only real statesman here
Trump wanted a “fake reason” to turn against Zelensky and Ukraine. Comrade Trump has always wanted to support his pal Putin. 👇
https://bsky.app/profile/milemarker0.bsky.social/post/3ljdmckuoec2i
Didn’t Trump and Putin speak on the phone for like 1 1/2 hours with no transcript of what was said? Hmm.
(That means: yepper.)
Fking morons fk them
He's as good as finished & so is Trump.
🤬🤬🤬
They want an excuse to cut ties with Zelenskyy and hand victory to Russia.
I’m no rocket scientist but even I can see what’s going on.
Lindsay Graham was also in on it
People are organizing and preparing. The 50501 campaign has established a MO and brand already.
@50501movement.bsky.social @indivisible.org
This is insane!!! You are organizers. ORGANIZE!!!!
By April the economy will be In free fall and that would result in a consensus among the American population the Trump has to go
From there, things might get ugly
Plus 250,000 university academics and scientists
https://bsky.app/profile/kernelkorn420.bsky.social/post/3ljbqmcctrs26
What do you think is more likely? MAGA turns on Trump or they act against blue states who turn on him?
My hunch is even if we do get an American Maidan, we might be in a Years of Lead.
https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3ljdhypmv3c2b
https://bsky.app/profile/redwoodgirl.bsky.social/post/3lje2xkpjpc2r
Vincent & Trump insulted him repeatedly to belittle him.
Marina
France. 🇺🇦🇫🇷🇪🇺
All of them are sock puppet toadies for Trump’s dictates.
This an’t rocket science or brain surgery.
Jesus Christ, wake the Fu8k up.
This is Donald Trump, the mob boss.
This is a Jim jones cult
psychic epidemic.
Surely not.
America bought the ticket. Sadly the rest of the free world gets to take the ride.
Purposeful harassment and humiliation of Zelensky
“Make Russia Great Again”
I'd call him a piece of shit, but that's giving pieces of shit a bad rap.
We're sorry, Ukraine,
We're sorry World.
We voted for her
We voted for sanity
All this shows is Trump trying to cast others as the problem but he is the issue! No one else!
it could have been awesome. somebody might have brought up the Nuland phone call.
No UK visit for Trump!
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/no-2nd-state-visit-for-donald-trump
Also, he reminded me of a certain scene in the movie, A Few Good Men.
But, actually - I‘m quite sure what is a factor in that…
Trumps animus against Zelensky is pure jealousy.
He sees a peace deal as the way to wash himself clean and elevate his global status, and he is so fucking dumb he doesn’t get that forcing Ukraine at gunpoint to sign it, and rewarding Putin, will only make him more despised.
https://youtu.be/CQrhXiCeAiM?si=vT8F6eeHo6P41lXP
Turns out that Vance is an even worse guy. For the 2nd time (after #MCS2025), his words are provocative (and plain lies).