it’s so sick how republicans get to do a million free illegal activities with zero problems and democrats sit around twiddling their thumbs and never get to do cool shit like this
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Republicans in Ohio openly defied the constitutional amendment we voted on for fairer disctricts. Republicans only use rules to control the working class and minorities. They do not care about rules that apply to them and I wish Dems would realize that.
Actually, MN House Democrats held their own flash-swearing in ceremony a couple days ago at a separate location and are boycotting the chamber to deny GOP a quorum until a special election makes the legislature evenly split again. So they are doing something!
I have mixed feelings about the weirdly earnest tone I had here but I guess it's because I'm happy to see them actually putting up a fight rather than just lying down for once
They would theoretically benefit if this somehow resulted in the Minnesota Supreme Court overturning a core part of the state constitution to rule in their favor on this. Considering every single one of them was appointed by Tim Walz though, that's not really in the cards.
But when we want some cops arrested for torturing a man to death in the street for ten minutes I. Front of the whole world the DFL deploys the fucking us army.
The Republicans could just as well call a session and elect an Emporer of the Western Hemisphere. Unless state officials begin implementing their meaningless decrees, there's no real power there, because the Democrats withheld it.
Ok, but short of physically getting into a fist-fight with Repubs on the steps of the house, there's not really anything the DFL can do to stop them from holding a weird LARP session without a quorum.
I think a lot of people in this thread are failing to understand the difference between the Minnesota DFL, and the national democratic party. They aren't the same organization.
Democrats, like most centrists are too obsessed with the vibes of playing nice to stand up and do the right thing. It's concerning how many of them won't call attention to how fucking creepy this 'inspect children's genitals' sports bill is.
It's wild to me how every single last story involving a republican involves heinous, un-American shit, and yet they still exist as a political party with power in this country.
Like, what will it take for them to face ANY consequence for ANY of their actions??? CAN they?
It'll take violence. Because when fascism gets a foothold that's what it always takes. And after that initial violence, the survivors have to face consequences. That's a big step we skipped after the Civil War
They have power because they understand power. That's why they do shit like this.
The Democrats don't have power because they don't understand power. That's why they don't do shit like this, Even though the Republicans are doing shit like this. It's an asymmetry of understanding.
No no, democrats understand, most of them just simply dont give a shit bc both parties serve oligarchs, its willful obsolecense, a useless party that keeps us from pushing left while republicans push us further right
In this case, the Republicans did this specifically because the Minnesota DFL does give a shit, and unanimously boycotted the session to prevent them from having a legal quorum. They're refusing to recognize the speaker the Republicans illegally voted in.
Oligarchy is when both parties capitulate to and serve the interests of thw ruling elites, which will ALWAYS lean towards fascism and no defense against fascism, hence why Republicans get away with this shit, bc Dems let them
No shit. It's completely irrelevant to this particular topic of "the democrats aren't also acting like despotic fascists." The exact opposite, in fact.
are we arguing for both parties to just shit on democracy over and over, rather than all treasonous Republicans getting the standard penalty for treason?
Right. They do illegal shit & just make up lies about how they’re doing it to defend democracy that their base’s preferred media outlets regurgitate word for word. It’s going to get amplified to terrifying degrees in a post-truth social media era too.
This is entirely due to the Democrats believing you can rule without any degree of fear, demagoguery, or hate. They have no mechanisms for cowing Republicans and making them second guess their power grabs, and they proudly call that being civil.
In this specific case, it's entirely due to Dems not doing that and instead boycotting the vote to prevent the Republicans from gaining a quorum, while holding their own swearing-in ceremony in secret. The Minnesota DFL are not civil, and they're much more effective than national dems.
There really are just zero enforcement mechanisms in place and no accountability for anything is there
For them at least, people like us will still be brutalized to the full extent of the law that the corrupted courts and police decide to enforce on any particular day, but for them, sky's the limit
“NewsWire” is right-wing propaganda trash (no link to an actual story). Dems walked out in protest. There was no “seize”. You’re really ignorant or part of of the problem (I’m suspecting the latter). Congrats on being my first block on this site.
This is happening because the Dems are unanimously refusing to go to the capitol to block quorum until an election in February will give them a tie in the house. They even had a secret swearing-in ceremony! This strategy in other states has resulted in them getting hauled back by state troopers!
We have to stoop lower bureaucratically, we have to have criminals on our side, violence and transgression is the only form of communication which are enemy understands.
They just do this and win, cheating works they say. Cheat and exploit early, cheat and exploit often, there will be little to no consequence and it will have been worth it anyway.
not true! Dems will do this when a potentially “socialist” candidate wins a democratic primary. look at how the incumbent took billionaire Republican money to stop India Walton from being Buffalo mayor with write ins.
Liberalism in the US is breathing a slow dying gasp since no one's willing to actually fight in any real capacity for limp wristed ideas like giving tax credits to businesses in disadvantaged communities
A Democrat did this to us in NY -- TO PROP UP REPUBLICANS. Gov. Andrew Cuomo oversaw a system wherein a handful of Dem State Senators would vote for a GOP senate president, thereby blocking all progressive legislation. It lasted for years until voters rebelled. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Democratic_Conference
It’s like those cop movies where the chief yells at the rogue cop for not playing by the rules in catching the bad guy except there is no rogue cop and are two chiefs and they are both constantly thwarted by the bad guy but the chiefs always congratulate themselves for following the rules.
dems no-showed and the sec of state declared a failure to quorum (need 68, but only 67 present) and ended the session and the gop just went and LARPed installing a new speaker ??
This wasn't a coup, it was the house GOP showing up to work like normal and then pretending they had a quorum when every single dem no-showed. They haven't actually seized any power here.
You do realize that the entire executive branch of Minnesota is controlled by the DFL, right? Who exactly do you think is ultimately in charge of the state
's security apparatus and justice system, currently?
The Democrats consistently fail to use power effectively when they get it. I hate the fact that part of the opening sequence from The Newsroom feels more and more prophetic every year.
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Like, what will it take for them to face ANY consequence for ANY of their actions??? CAN they?
The Democrats don't have power because they don't understand power. That's why they don't do shit like this, Even though the Republicans are doing shit like this. It's an asymmetry of understanding.
Pelosi couldn't get her fat ass up off the floor. Thought they were gonna have to bring in a crane.
For them at least, people like us will still be brutalized to the full extent of the law that the corrupted courts and police decide to enforce on any particular day, but for them, sky's the limit
https://apnews.com/article/minnesota-legislature-power-struggle-republicans-democrats-7db12f51ad0e47d49f4c50f56cb1e5c4
's security apparatus and justice system, currently?
Every now and then Dems will post a strongly worded message on social media!