I might also have hallucinated the 60+ French deaths & the 1,000+ wounded in their Sahel campaigns. These must have been fake wars, as opposed to the real wars that Vance is referring to.
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Vance is now backpedalling furiously, I see. Only the UK & France had proposed anything approaching scale of 20k troops, so I don't see how he would be referring to anyone else. But let's take smaller states, then. Denmark & Estonia took same casualties per capita as America in Afghanistan.
Exactly. Vance insulted a lot more countries than France and the UK. At America's behest, Danish soldiers bled and fought for years in Afghanistan - our most extensive military engagement since the Dano-Prussian War of 1864.
The fact that Vance is a cosplaying POG probably is core to his sense of grievances and slurs against both our (hopefully not former) allies and the Ukrainians more generally. He knows they are braver, more worthy of respect than he can ever be, and it fucking eats at him and fuels his resentment.
A basic tension in US policy probably at least since Kennedy. On one hand, US wants Europe to do more, which would mean Europe more independent and less US influence. On other hand, US wants to have lots of influence, which would mean discouraging Europe from doing too much so staying dependent.
They just wish Europe would butt out as it's messing up their love-in with russian terrorists. The full capitulation of Ukraine and a huge pay-day in rare earth minerals is all they want.
And in the same way, if we do spend our "share" of the burden in defence, they'll come up with a new rule. It will have to be 30% (or more) from the US industry, then we will have to enforce their definition of "free" speech, deregulate social media... and more and more...
That happens because they play 4D chess with checkers and poker with pokemon cards.
Never accept demands of bullies! They just want more if you accept.
If Ukrainians have any little wisdom left they should use ProRussians in their country to negotiate surrender. US will force them to surrender in return for favors for itself and will make Ukraine suffer. Europe will only give speeches and statements
Vance knows nothing, UK never declared war on Argentina 40 yrs ago and neither the UK or US have declared war since WWII.
And we have fought side by side for the last 30 yrs worldwide in other wars.
So we are in the same boat.
Not that he knows that.
Vance is a complete nutcase, if he wasn't the vice-president, we couldn't take him serious. Is there no-one left in the Pentagon, Senat, or anywhere in the US government who can talk some commonsense in these people?
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Now they have to give away their minerals.
What’s next?
But it was in fact 30 years ago.
https://bsky.app/profile/hanstino.bsky.social/post/3ljfi2nditk2f
Europe: proposes to stand on own feet
US: no, not like that.
They are going to like a rearmed and more independent Europe much less than they think.
Europe: Against
Never accept demands of bullies! They just want more if you accept.
They were clearly expecting Europe to balk at providing troops, so they could pile the pressure on Zellenskyy.
Starmer & Macron called their bluff
So now he's clumsily trying to shift the narrative, that Europe are not serious
Yankee Go Home...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIYAAoaG8ms
Fuck trump. Fuck vance. Fuck elon. Fuck putin
And we have fought side by side for the last 30 yrs worldwide in other wars.
So we are in the same boat.
Not that he knows that.