I’ve always thought it was interesting that a system supposedly based on freedom of choice is basically defended philosophically by saying “there’s no other choice”
Capitalism is now just hoarding disorder pretending to be an economic system. The solution is to tax the billionaires back to the stone age. It is better for our children. Billionaires are bad for our children.
holly: like wow you think capitalism can be acceptable when reformed? should we tell everyone? should we throw a party? should we invite Eduard Bernstein?
Incorrect — it’s complete mass can be gathered and dropped into the ocean to form a giant artificial reef, or it can be allowed to fester until it literally cooks the planet.
Problems exist for reasons and reasons can be understood.
In some cases, to a degree that allows for solutions.
Like capitalism. It leverages greed to generate wealth, but if leveraged too much it eats itself and dies. A UBI fixes that problem. It naturally prevents the fires.
Private property is power. Ownership is power. Accumulating profit from other people’s labor and using it to buy politicians is power. And this won’t change because people get a check every month. Never in history has a class given up its power peacefully. You will not do away with classes w UBI.
I agree with the peace part. People with money will prevent a UBI, but I think a lot of the super riches power comes from our inability to say no to certain prices (like housing, shelter, and wages).
I think UBI prevents the super rich, but enacting it after the super rich exists is tough 😭
UBI would be helpful to the working class but they would still be the working class. it doesn’t change who owns the means of production. As long as one class owns and another rents and labors the ruling class will maintain structural power.
So I think we disagree about classes. I think classes are inevitable (if it's not financial, then it's social, etc), but we should prevent one class from having full control of another, and you think that classes should be done away with due to the power and upper class has over the lower classes?
We can consider discussing the revolutionary idea of drawing a smiling face on it but it’s a very bold move and we also want the votes of the face-eating leopards.
Rules that protect the vulnerable do not arise spontaneously from a violent overthrow of existing systems. Think again.
Create your rules. Then find a means to implement them.
I never thought they would tbh but they are able to be put in place once the shit has been cleared away. You can't create rules if the people in charge are opposed to them. Those people must go. A country cannot, should not, be run for the wealthy minority
And don't forget consequences for if the rules aren't followed, as well as how to force those consequences in the normal case, and how to rectify the situation if the normal means of enforcing consequences is overturned...
You’re setting up a lot of hurdles for those who think that once you burn everything to the ground a beautiful phoenix will spontaneously rise from the ashes 😉
Thanks for that.
Capitalism: kills tens of millions (at least) in imperialist wars of conquest, enslaves most of the planet into lives of hopeless exploitation so parasites like Pelosi & Trump can shit in gold toilets, destroys the planet for profit
Liberals: we can fix this by voting for the people who did it :)
What we have isnt capitalism. I'm not defending it either lol. But anyway economies aren't Devine order from god. It's just some rules we made up. We can change them. The enclosures which took us 500 plus years to transition from fuedulism to capitalism.
Legit played Civ5 the other day and I nuked Dido because I needed one Wine Luxury and she wouldn't trade with me. I'm sure the world was fine after that happened 🫠
I'm currently attempting a version of this in Rimworld. Except I'm shooting for androids to take over. It's really easy to corrupt the save or bog down the CPU with pawns.
Yea, and I believe that the owners of billion dollar corporations are great men who write the course of history, and contribute the majority of value to the company.
Writing a letter with strong words about the economic system. Putting weak words between the strong words, to make the strong words seem even stronger!
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Nobody needs offshore bank accounts, tax havens or shell companies either.
holly: like wow you think capitalism can be acceptable when reformed? should we tell everyone? should we throw a party? should we invite Eduard Bernstein?
Problems exist for reasons and reasons can be understood.
In some cases, to a degree that allows for solutions.
Like capitalism. It leverages greed to generate wealth, but if leveraged too much it eats itself and dies. A UBI fixes that problem. It naturally prevents the fires.
Money is power, and a UBI would give the bottom class power that they don't have, and need, to prevent the super rich from being kings.
I think UBI prevents the super rich, but enacting it after the super rich exists is tough 😭
No Billionaires.
Create your rules. Then find a means to implement them.
Thanks for that.
Liberals: we can fix this by voting for the people who did it :)
Who do you believe could most quickly achieve a reformed economic system?
But even in that case, "fixing it" would mean reverting it from capitalism to something else.
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The United Nations WILL take me seriously