Question for hive mind: If you’re, say, a bartender, and you work from 10-4 am. And it’s daylight savings. And it goes from 1:59 am to 3:00 am, do you get paid for the extra hour, or do you have to stay open till 5 am?
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I work nightshift, 11PM to 7AM and I get paid for 8 hours while actually working 7 hours. However, if we turn the clocks back again I get also paid for 8 hours while actually working 9 hours.
I work in a hospital, so we do 12 hour shifts, our night shift workers lose an hour of pay unless they use their own PTO to make up the difference. And the time clock system will automatically apply the PTO so its not like they couldn't code in a special pay for it.
You’re being paid for 6 hours. Or 3600 minutes. That the time changes doesnt change those hours. So you either close at 4 as per advertised and work another hour in appropriate duties. Or you stay open till five. Or your employer negotiates one hour less for you with appropriate compensation.
Had to process HRIS data for a night-shift hourly population back when 24-hour stores were still a thing (pre-covid). For fall back, it would automatically add the hour, and they'd still have to leave at their set time. For spring forward, it would automatically subtract the hour. Hours worked, etc.
Back in Nov I was doing customer service work from home as a contractor for a luxury retailer. I worked the overnight shift and did not get paid for the extra hour.
I was a bartender for 20 years. Drunks get to be even drunker at the time change. It sucks. And get paid extra? Are you kidding?! It's the restaurant business.
I work overnight security, I get paid for the hour that got skipped over, also in every job I get paid for an extra hour during the fall back too. I've never encountered an employer that wanted to deal with the headache of fighting over a single hour of pay
...don't get paid for the "spring ahead" hour but do get paid for the "fall back hour".
Or vice versa.
What is time, really, but a man- made constraint blah blah blah...our wages are too low, regardless.
I don’t know about bartenders but my wife is a nurse who works night shifts and at the daylight savings time shift, you just lose or gain the hour. So in the fall she would work a 13.5 hour shift instead of a 12.5 hour shift and last night she would work an 11.5 hour shift.
Never worked in a 4 AM last call state but normally you stay open an extra hour for Fall Back and go home early at Spring Forward in the states I've worked.
When I worked graveyard, back in the day, we always got paid that extra hour. But usually the day shift crew were almost always late, so we actually got paid an hour of overtime because we had to wait for our relief
For us nurses, it depended where you worked. You always work what the clock says, but how you get paid changes depends on the employer. Some pay exactly what you work, some pretend it never happens either in spring or in fall.
I bartended in PA through college, and our bars closed at 2am. We would not stay open for the ‘do over’ hour of 2 when we fall back but we would stay open until 3 when we lost the 2am hour in spring.
When I bartended, we didn't get paid for the hour that didn't exist in the spring, but we did get paid for the extra hour in the fall. Of course that was $2.13/hr. And you didn't get any tips for the non-hour, and very few the extra hour in the fall because everyone went home "early".
I'm old enough to remember before everything was digital and before..and it was a call center not a bar... No we'd close at the time in your watch, now you're about to leave but the clock switches back so you got to stay that other hour. 😑
As a nurse who worked the night shift, for an 8 hr shift, we'd only get paid for 7 hrs. The "logic" behind that was we'd be working when we'd "fall back" and get paid for 9 hrs...as if that would even it out. Can't wait for your next book!!
In my experience, you’re not getting paid for the extra hour but you’re not having to stay open an extra hour because 2am equals 3am so you kick everyone out then clean.
However, the “fall back” night as a bartender is a complete and total shitshow, just an absolute nightmare
Inevitably at 2am on Sunday before standard time some dickhead loudly announces that it’s ACTUALLY 1am and we can drink more! And I would be stuck there because of state law thinking I hate you fuckfaces so much
At my work, night shift gets an extra hour pay added on. And then in November, they work a 13 hour shift instead of 12, but they don’t lose pay - just a longer night.
Don't know about bar staff. But have a family member who is a shift worker, who worked the graveyard shift. Yes, they got paid that extra hour. There was a time when they didn't tho.
I can tell you that when I worked as an RN in a hospital, the night shift was 11pm-7am. You worked 9 hours in the spring (and got paid for it), but only 7 in the fall.
When I was still a Fed, there were special timesheet codes for when you sprung forward and fell back while working a night shift. I never had to use them. (There was also a code for when an employee died while on the clock. I’m not sure who submits it, though.)
I just want to know when this BS is going to end. I have dogs and this messes with them way too much. Besides it is so pointless! AND didn’t the 🍊 💩 say he was getting rid of this like on day one or something like that?
when I did overnight work I often was there during changeover. I also was in the position to run our store's payroll. I always liked the spring change because I got paid an extra hour for one hour less work and went home earlier.
conversely the fall change sucked for the converse reasons.
I worked overnights for almost 9 years and worked during several time changes. At my job, you didn't get paid for the hour lost. But you could work an extra hour or use PTO to cover it. (So, y'know, it kinda sucked.)
Of course you are paid, or that is the intent of the employer or their union contract. Sometimes the payroll and time clock software doesn't calc it correctly. Those were the support cases I used to get when I was a techie.
Currently working nightshift. We don’t get paid for the hour.
Though, when the clocks went back in the fall we DID get paid for the extra hour we worked.
It was pretty horrific watching the clock tick from 1:59a back to 1:00a!
Looking forward to 1:59a turning into 3:00a.
Husband works overnight but his is work until you’re done, not a set shift. I used to work o/n & we had a choice to either work another hour later than normal or not.
So, if you worked 8 hours; you got paid for 8 hours regardless of what the clock said in the spring, right?
I can't believe I never thought about how it affected 3rd shifts.
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Or vice versa.
What is time, really, but a man- made constraint blah blah blah...our wages are too low, regardless.
That was probably a good move
You got nothing to prove
By asking the hive
If you should stay out til five 🙂
#barsnotwars #resist
What would we want our kids to do?
Also, the answer is always:
Leave the bar and go home.
However, the “fall back” night as a bartender is a complete and total shitshow, just an absolute nightmare
Unless you get an exemption to stay open late or other arrangements, that's that.
I've asked this to a bar owner here in Ithaca years back.
On “fall back” days, nursing staff would get paid for an extra hour for working 3rd shift (11pm-7am).
And on “leap forward” days, we’d only work 7 hours but get paid for the full 8 of a regular shift.
I was always SO confused about 1-2 on fall back night. How do the lawyers establish which is which?
In my own notes, I put 1:30 for the first time and 1:30' for the second. I hope it helped.
In the fall you get to work an extra hour.
Did it affect your day at all in the fall?
conversely the fall change sucked for the converse reasons.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/12/13/trump-end-daylight-saving-time/76970595007/
Though, when the clocks went back in the fall we DID get paid for the extra hour we worked.
It was pretty horrific watching the clock tick from 1:59a back to 1:00a!
Looking forward to 1:59a turning into 3:00a.
I can't believe I never thought about how it affected 3rd shifts.