"Persons who make private determinations of the law and refuse to obey an order generally risk criminal contempt even if the order is ultimately ruled incorrect." --SCOTUS (1975)
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The question about how the court orders will be enforced is not a legal question, it is a practical question. How will these orders or subsequent contempt rulings be enforced? How? By whom?
This applies to POTUS. This is definitely a good call for impeachment. But, as the congress is made up of sycophants that will not happen.
This appears to be a crisis.
If criminal contempt has zero consequences for wealthy people then what does it matter whether they avoid it or "risk" it or even blatantly parade it in front of you?
I don’t think the courts will take lightly to the executive failing to enforce their judgments. Can the courts deputize officers to enforce contempt at least when POTUS orders USMS to ignore enforcement? I’m guessing they’ll find a way to do something but I’m curious what you think about that?
I can think of several Americans that this would apply to including, but not limited to; Trump, Musk, Thiel, Vance, Flynn, Byrne, Johnson, Carlson and several Republicans and Heritage Foundation people.
They mean "persons" who are not the president. They have granted blanket immunity from prosecution to POTUS as long as the crimes are committed as "official acts".
I seem to recall many comments just like this during the first round. They are all still there and this time, they own SCOTUS and Congress and are in the process of culling every non-fascist from the government. They control all the major agencies and the DoD. So, what's the move?
I don't have confidence in the current SCOTUS - I'm thinking the Legal Community could threaten Vances law license (kinda like what happened w/Michael Cohen) for being on record prior to the election saying that if courts oppose trump's orders, they could choose to ignore those rulings.
Well said and very accurate. The difference this time is that Trump has the AG in his pocket and she will not take any action against this administration. They essentially have a get out of judgment free card. And if you invoke military actions Pete will not comply. This is a Checkmate on America!
SCOTUS also ruled that the president has immunity for any action taken in the course of his job as president, so this whole point is moot. Musk might be held in contempt or even jailed, but ultimately nothing will happen to Trump.
Give me the name of a single fed agency that has guns and badges that will arrest for contempt. Think it through to the arresst. Trump/elon are NOT going to arrest themselves, and will pardon anyone, just like J6 felons
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"Although since that ruling, we have determined that the President of the United States can do whatever he wants, regardless of what the law or the courts say." -- SCOTUS (2025)
Also government managers refusing to follow court orders resulting in loss of income etc , can be sued individually in corresponding state court and lose their assets
He does care for thee rules and regulations that were there before he got in because there is no way to profiteer absolute power for himself unless he decided to get rid of any safeguards.
Gross. Oh look. Fans of Jesus. Not actual Christians. Christians practice what they preach. Not cherry pick on what works for them and harm those who don’t fit their agenda
I guess SCOTUS didn't think about what would *actually happen* when a corrupt, empowered-by-them POTUS went on a crime spree of unofficial acts while simultaneously dominating the Justice Department.
If he consults with one of his cabinet, it’s now an official duty! The court has castrated themselves and the lower courts! It’s amazing that they can’t see that!!!
Durbin is toothless, bent over backwards for Republicans objecting to Biden Court nominations. He doesn’t bring a knife to a gunfight, he brings ammunition to give his killer.
I read where the SCOTUS can change one their previous decisions. As Trump support falls, do you think there would be a way to make SCOTUS revisit their decision that a sitting president has immunity?
I am hoping with huge voter pressure, we could at least try and flip two of them. The legacy of being on the court who ruined democracy, might not be sounding good to them at this point.
Keep in mind that investigations into Watergate was already starting to uncover some very disconcerting abuses about intelligence community activities. That version of the SCOTUS had made some ruling that did not set well with conservatives. Hence, with regard to Watergate a deal was struck.
Congress agreed not to impeach Nixon if he resigned. Ford pardoned him. I think the issue of presidential immunity would have had a very different outcome in 1974. I think it had to do with keep the American People from seeing the abuses of power associated with intelligence activities.
Church Committee Investigation 1976, II. THE GROWTH OF DOMESTIC INTELLIGENCE: 1936 TO 1976 SUMMARY.
“1. The Lesson: History Repeats Itself During and after the First World War, intelligence agencies, including the predecessor of the FBI, engaged in repressive activity.
A new Attorney General, Harlan Fiske Stone, sought to stop the investigation of “political or other opinions.”
This restraint was embodied only in an executive pronouncement, however, No statutes were passed to prevent the kind of improper activity which had been exposed.
Therefore, as this narrative will show, the abuses returned in a new form. It is now the responsibility of all three branches of government to ensure that the pattern of abuse of domestic intelligence activity does not recur.
3. Three Periods of Growth for Domestic Intelligence The
expansion of domestic intelligence activity can usefully be divided into three broad periods: (a) the pre-war and World War II period; (b) the Cold War era; and (c) the period of domestic dissent beginning in the mid-sixties. The main developments in each of these stages in the
If the military isn't pointing at it, it's not going to stop. Legalese is a tool when agreed upon laws are being adhered to. Guns when they are not. Those are the options. Unfortunately, always have been the options.
Curtis Yarvin
"Butterfly Revolution" in full effect.
1: Campaign on autocracy
2: Purge the bureaucracy
3: Ignore the courts
4: Co-Opt the Congress
5: Centralize police and powers
6: Shut down elite media and academic institutions
7: Turn out the people
Do whatever it takes to destroy democracy.
They will disobey until brought to heel by an enraged public. As painful and destructive as that may be, we must cleanse our country of the lunacy led by Trump/Musk/Vance and a cast of 1,000’s that lead MAGA. The majority of Trump’s cult will climb back under their rocks for another 80 years.
The sad part of it all this is Colorado SCOTUS ruling would have aided the win in all courts since the Constitution, U.S. law, and other SCOTUS rulings were in agreement to stop felons from getting weapons.
No one sat down and said why is Rump lawyers trying so hard to get rid of that felon conviction; because they knew it was a weak link in him becoming POTUS; but I get X-mas parties, vacations… who has time for democracy.
All the fancy law school graduates and not one of y’all questioned what was in black or white. But now it is a Constitutional Crisis it being one; hubris from all lawyers stopped it.
What good is the LSAT if no one uses logical reasoning just get rid of it.
To make it simple you can’t swear to uphold the laws of the land when one of the laws of the land is felons can’t have weapons (potus controls nuclear weapons).
To uphold that law means you couldn’t accept being elected.
Shouldn't anyone in the White House with a license to practice law be held accountable by the Bar Association for not complying with court orders, namely JD Vance?
Law enforcement personnel did not change overnight. They know right from wrong very well. They have worked with these judges for years, even decades. If the judge issues contempt orders to be carried out, I don't think all of them are going to ignore the people they spend half of their life with.
It’s not the SCOTUS of 1975 that I have concerns about. It’s the current SCOTUS who provided the President with legal rights beyond the scope of sanity. (2024)
It will be interesting to see if anyone in the Trump administration found to be in contempt by a judge will really face any meaningful consequences... I definitely want to see it tested, but will be covering my face and peeking through my fingers to watch the actual outcome
Here's how to get rid of MAGA...Democrats should team up with never trumpers Republicans like Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger in red states and help them get elected. Purge the republican party by helping to elect actual republicans.
The Trump/Musk administration is a coup attempt. DOGE is a Trojan horse with no legitimate purpose. We must unite before their plan can succeed. Spread this message far and wide.
It's so funny you keep talking about SCrOTUS like it is currently a legitimate court. They are no longer interested in protecting the constitution their only job. So they are an enemy of the state.(Exceptions for the humans Katanji Kagan Sotomayor)
Unless the Congress and Senate take actions like IMPEACHMENT/REMOVAL I'm afraid Trump does.
Those who voted for this Felon are responsible, so, how does it feel America?
I'm sure this will be enforced on "we, the people" (not the wealthy ones, of course!) in a heartbeat. But does anyone believe it will be enforced on tRump or his hand-picked minions?
That is the question, isn’t it? With Trump’s purge of the civil service and the DOJ, military and courts, there is a very real chance that there is no way for court orders to be enforced.
No Executive Order should be executed if it would cause DAMAGE to the country. Half of Trump's "executive Orders" are causing INSURMOUNTABLE damage to many of the government's critical programs intended to keep America SAFE and HEALTHY. Those "orders" should be IMMEDIATELY VOIDED
A Federal Judge needs to put an INJUNCTION against EVERY Trump “Executive Order”, until EACH ONE can be vetted, and all aspects that DAMAGE America’s safety and security are REMOVED.
The same goes for any Musk “orders” that have direct and immediate impact on America’s financial security.
And yet, the speaker of the house supports Trump and Vance daring the judicial branch of government to come and get them. Johnson should lose his law license and so should Vance. I mean, they’ve obviously already lost their balls…
Will the Federal judges need to DOJ to send US Marshalls? I mean, can the DOJ refuse to send Marshalls? I guess they could. But Elon needs to be removed. He has his family living on the 6th floor of I think, the Treasury!!!
I would find some comfort in that, but unfortunately we have T🤡 SCOTUS. They can’t be trusted to do right thing, they just basically give the middle finger to lower courts & moreover Americans. Thank you for your heroics🙏🏼. Truth tho, my anxiety is the worst it’s been in 20 yrs
1975 was the before times. When I canvassed for Clinton in 2016 I told people who didn't 'like' her, "You're not just voting for president, you're voting for the supreme court." That was the last year we had a chance to save that institution.
If he created the 66 new judicial seats he wasn't going to be in office to fill them. That's why he vetoed it. That would have left an opening for Trump to fill those seats.
The Supreme Court is held accountable through a system of checks and balances, including Congress's power to regulate the court, and the court's own ethical standards.
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This appears to be a crisis.
Please do share.
Because otherwise we do this, and our hope dies
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S2-C1-3-1/ALDE_00013316/
Hehehe
SCOTUS 2024
Supreme Court of the USA, not a term, as it is now, for POTUS' balls.
Does it prevent the president from being slapped with a TRO or a cease-and-desist to stop him committing a crime?
~SCOTUS 2025
And be thrown in jail?
New SCROTUS says trump is a king.
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Got links on that?
Because otherwise we do this & hope dies
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S2-C1-3-1/ALDE_00013316/
Their Bible warned against this & clearly they didn’t read that bit
Lmao 😂
America will be a Christian Nationalist and Tech Authoritarian country with billionaires, Russian assets and KKK in charge if not stopped.
I guess SCOTUS didn't think about what would *actually happen* when a corrupt, empowered-by-them POTUS went on a crime spree of unofficial acts while simultaneously dominating the Justice Department.
Maddening.
Who will enforce it?
Everyone keeps saying the courts are working (which is great) but who enforces these things?
Do think the current SCOTUS read this?
If the fascists move on anyway, then what? Thoughts?
“1. The Lesson: History Repeats Itself During and after the First World War, intelligence agencies, including the predecessor of the FBI, engaged in repressive activity.
This restraint was embodied only in an executive pronouncement, however, No statutes were passed to prevent the kind of improper activity which had been exposed.
3. Three Periods of Growth for Domestic Intelligence The
But it wasn’t long ago we had one.
And, WHEN, NOT IF trump gives the middle finger to court orders (psst, he already has) you can thank SCOTUS.
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/supreme-court-grants-trump-broad-immunity-for-official-acts-placing-presidents-above-the-law
"Butterfly Revolution" in full effect.
1: Campaign on autocracy
2: Purge the bureaucracy
3: Ignore the courts
4: Co-Opt the Congress
5: Centralize police and powers
6: Shut down elite media and academic institutions
7: Turn out the people
Do whatever it takes to destroy democracy.
How is the criminal contempt of the government enforced. History has show that not much penalty is given to the government.
Me, just now
Yes looking at you Roberts and Thomas at least
Congratulations Injustice Roberts! You played yourself.
What good is the LSAT if no one uses logical reasoning just get rid of it.
To uphold that law means you couldn’t accept being elected.
Constitution crisis started when the electors were cast under article 6 of the Constitution everything else is icing on top!
Tired of all this crap noone yet said who would enforce one let alone seven court orders.
Right now they are meaningless
DOJ? FBI?
Who now leads these?
https://bsky.app/profile/edchavez.dev/post/3lhvwvaoq622s
The Trump/Musk administration is a coup attempt. DOGE is a Trojan horse with no legitimate purpose. We must unite before their plan can succeed. Spread this message far and wide.
Unfortunately we are in the midst of a constitutional crisis
Those who voted for this Felon are responsible, so, how does it feel America?
The same goes for any Musk “orders” that have direct and immediate impact on America’s financial security.
We’re listening.
SCOTUS is absolute garbage in 2025.