I’m not sure why the confusion, he said during his campaign that he would eliminate the Constitution. He’s also alluded multiple times his plans for his next term…..he’s in office until he chooses to leave or dies! 😢
Not according to SCOTUS ruling that the Congress must be the enforcing branch for the 14th Amendment. It's unlikely they will do that, unless, of course, they decide they would rather have Vance at the helm ...
The Supreme Court issuing a fatwa that the 14th amendment doesn’t exist does not in fact amend the constitution in a way the Congress must, or even may, accept.
It’s gonna get ugly here very shortly. I fear for the vulnerable. Dismantling the department of education is just going to create more easily manipulated voters.
What's your opinion on Mika and Joe's capitulation to Trump? The two of them traveling to Mar-a-Lago to bend the knee to the dictator in chief shows how low they will go for ratings.
Trump's cabinet w/be full of people who couldn't get a security clearance... many who should be under investigation themselves... Trump and Musk have been conducting open-air espionage w/Putin and God knows who else... these people shouldn't have access, much less control... need Senate to resist...
Let's create an environment where it's not normal. Listen to who is calling this out in the most legal and factual tones. Those are going to be the people to follow.
Thank you Joyce, for being one of those minds.
Its as if Edward R. Murrow were to sit down with Hitler at the height of the genocide in WWll. Both Mika and Joe have violated their ethics for ratings. Disgusting.
I felt this way about how the news and commentators talked about which one of Trump's crimes he shouldn't have been charged for. Like damn, which ones can I do?
Yet the only response is Biden inviting the enemy in for a photo op & Hakeem Jeffries saying we will overcome. Spare us with this bullshit. It’s why we are where we are. We need resistance with teeth, not hand wringing. We’re playing the game as we want it to be, not as it is.
I absolutely cannot believe we are here. My US Navy father’s ashes are disturbed. I’m so disgusted with those who normalized & continue to normalize that vile POS.
Oh come on! You can end the constitution. Our side needs to state facts and not crazy blanket statements. Are you no better than Mika and Joe? See what happens when you just call names. Fight the good fight and learn.
I honestly thought my turning 63 this year was a way for me to settle down and relax. Apparently, this will not be the case. I’ve been fighting for 35+ years—I guess I have to continue.
Me too. Recently retired, thought Kamala was gonna win. Never slept well when 45 was in office. Sigh.
An old black and white photo, of my dad and his 4 brothers who served in WWII, hangs in my hall. They motivate me to keep fighting
We just kissed democracy goodbye with this election. I'm looking for my passport. I have no where to go and three dogs, two elderly parents... I just can't take having a known rapist and criminal as president.
Truman made 10 recess appointments, including to the Supreme Court, during partisan gridlock. Clinton appointed Bill Lann Lee (1997) as acting Assistant AG and James Hormel (1999) as ambassador. Obama appointed Richard Cordray (CFPB, 2012) and 3 NLRB members.
@POTUS @JoeBiden has the same immunity @SCOTUS ruled for Trump via an "official act" to honor his oath to:
-defend the USA against a 34-count criminal mafia stotastic terrorist syndicate
-pull his bail
-announce TFG is already under arrest
-in a secret secure location (w/a 24/7 video feed on him).
I keep telling people they're responding to and working as if the rules haven't changed.
They have.
Erdogan has provided tRump the playbook for autocracy & as POTUS, he'll implement it.
If a law gets in the way, he'll change the law.
But Joe and Mika: “consequential presidency one way or the other”. “Question is whether is going to be constructive”
You honestly said this aloud Joe ? What purposely positive can Trump regimes do? We know the resistance will bring positives. But NOT Trump
Exactly. Any move to normalize this incoming administration is abhorrent. Everyday Americans...Democrats AND Republicans are going to be crushed under their MAGA boots. Buyers remorse will soon set in and we need the everyday voices and heroes (like you Joyce) to not capitulate and stand up.
Pretty sure they have no idea of what Professor Timothy Snyder wrote and has repeatedly incessantly lately, “Don’t obey in advance.” Beyond that, this really shows that corporate owned media, while good in many ways, is complicit and I’ll equipped to handle things going forward.
Question is, when does treason become treasonous? Imo the announcement that he will scrap the Constitution & other systemic offices/institutions already tells us he is a traitor who wants to break the country as we know it... not to mention his former attempt to remain in power by lying to his fans.
Which is why 9/10ths of us are no longer plugged into MSM. MSM is making yet another huge miscalculation if they believe they have gone too far to the left, thus drop in viewership. NOT! We're sick of their sanitizing, normalizing, and monetizing the murder of Democracy.
Ah, but unfortunately they are fairly normal. You must be well informed if you are going to fight the good fight. Don't make blanket statements, use fact. We can do this without rhetoric.
Unfortunately most things fall under “normal” when it comes to Trump. Fox News will take whatever he does and calculate the spin and provide the talking points.
In the century where humanity drives headlong to its own mass-extinction event? Where the fabric of the nation-state is revealed to be a gingerbread house? Normal is a 20th century concept.
We have 150 years before the species cannot reverse our self-caused extinction event. But this century is terrible with climate change disasters on a scale we are yet to comprehend.
How anyone but the super rich well connected voted for this is beyond me. I know, many are stuck in their own info silos, love trolling the left/libs, are in a frenzy over trans people & the ''border'' etc. But how do most non rich people expect to survive this.
Tax havens. The Caribbean. Monaco and the south of France. Isolated parts of Mexico and South America. Australia and New Zealand. Look to late Roman history, where flight was to roman provinces such as Bath/Britain and Spain.
It is absolutely NOT ok. This is beyond ridiculous. Is anyone going to investigate the election suppression by deathsantis, the bribes from elon, and the bomb threats at left-leaning polling stations. God I hope that those NY State charges stick and his fat orange face is gone forever.
Most folks don't really understand that bypassing the Constitution in this case means undermining the role of Congress to serve as a check and balance to the power of the presidency. And, that in turn can best be explained as a step away from democracy and toward authoritarianism aka dictatorship.
Maybe Joe should recognize we are in an unprecedented crisis and DO something. This is not normal, allowing a criminal terrorist traitor to waltz into office. I’d have trump arrested based on Jack Smith’s evidence. Deliberate delays in his prosecution should not be license to destroy our democracy.
That's 9 years of sanewashing the insanity. I find the media complicit, with a few exceptions. Maga is not normal and softening how awful their ideas are is very damaging. So here we are, stuck on Earth 2, regardless of how much we don't want to be.
You're a frequent MSNBC contributor - your employer is playing a big part in normalizing that conversation. Talk to your morning show colleagues - they're leading the effort.
You right but you as a law person shouldn’t be as silent about it you should be as progressive as being an activist bc the reason why he does this is bc he’s taking advantage that nobody challenges him so he feels emboldened to do whatever bc everybody does is just talk about it no action behind
You don’t have to get in the mud if lawyers prosecutors attorneys etc should be forcefully standing up for the rules of law it’s pointless to just say it goes out to the other ear with your attention and others I believe it would make a difference in the country what is ignored becomes emboldened
Alien Enemies Act, 1798 is 'wartime authority'. Trump uses term 'invasion' to create illegal aliens as enemies. No war. Distorts the truth of the act. (July 2024 data for border crossings showed the lowest level of border crossing since September 2020). Will SCOTUS care about the distortion. Hmmmm..
On the one hand, it seems likely a presidential determination that an invasion has occurred will receive judicial deference. On the other hand, alien enemy is a pretty firmly established legal term of art referring to citizens of a country we’re at war with. That factual predicate can be challenged.
War is war & invasion doesn't mean immigrants. He distorts/ corrupts to get his own way-fascists do that. If Repubs, etc. go along w/the CLEAR distortion, corrupt so who knows. Scapegoat immigrants to take the mind off the ball, Trump is the threat to America. BTW, Mexico doesn't allow felons in.
I have a scrap of hope that it just won’t happen like we think it will. That surely some of the GOP won’t let this happen. I don’t really believe it, but I have to hold onto that tiny sliver of hope.
I'm sorry Joyce but "they" have been doing that for 8 years already. It just took too many of us, to realize that we were just watching along with them, waiting for them, for ANYONE to DO SOMETHING! Attempts were weak, certainly in comparison to the scrutiny & rancor towards Biden & others.
He’s skated by all the consequences and been propped up by msm all along. They legitimized him then embraced him and now protect him. We are in a regime.
Where the hell is D leadership? All I see is Hakeem Jeffries posting proverbs. Everyone is pretty silent. Seems like they are just going to stand back and let this all happen and hope they can let it back from his cold almost dead hands.
Let’s face it… checks and balances failed in the USA! The founding fathers didn’t envision quite a lot about the future. No morals being one many flaws they never envisioned by so many citizens!
Everyone at where I see you as a commentator is talking about it BUT, WHAT IS EVERYONE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?
I haven't heard anything said about stopping him before he can do harm!
We need to seek out, vet, and support independent news and journalists.
We need to stay in lockstep with our pro-democracy representatives & senators to fight every damn challenge to the Constitution. Communicate with their offices, donate to their war chests, and amplify their work.
The adults have washed their hands & left the room. Ironically, allowing uninformed & willfully ignorant people to vote makes me question the entire concept of democracy. Le sigh…
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No it's not normal!!!
The word Normal is out of the window...
Wait until he challenges the 22nd amendment...
I think whatever guard rails are left will not be enough this time
Thank you Joyce, for being one of those minds.
Trump wipes his ass with the constitution- always has.
The worrying thing is Musk doesn't realise that Trump thinks he's a tool*.
*There are multiple meanings of "tool".
Their God is money and power now, and Trump is their golden calf.
Christians my ass.
An old black and white photo, of my dad and his 4 brothers who served in WWII, hangs in my hall. They motivate me to keep fighting
-defend the USA against a 34-count criminal mafia stotastic terrorist syndicate
-pull his bail
-announce TFG is already under arrest
-in a secret secure location (w/a 24/7 video feed on him).
Freedom willingly surrendered
Democrats on House Ethics:
Susan Wild (PA) - (202) 225-6411
Mark DeSaulnier (CA) - (202) 225-2095
Veronica Escobar (TX) - (202) 225-4831
Glenn Ivey (MD) - (202) 225-8699
Deborah Ross (NC) - (202) 225-3032
Ethics committee 202–225-7103
They have.
Erdogan has provided tRump the playbook for autocracy & as POTUS, he'll implement it.
If a law gets in the way, he'll change the law.
All hands on deck.
You honestly said this aloud Joe ? What purposely positive can Trump regimes do? We know the resistance will bring positives. But NOT Trump
They won't learn.
Why do people think the GOP controlled Senate will stand against him? This is infuriating, that people keep acting like the normal rules apply?
In the end, it's shown itself to be as strong as its WEAKEST LINK , which 'Men of Honour observing it'
Takes me back to all night 'discussions' at UNI.
Nobody "let" anything happen
It happened
Democracy
America chose this.
Now it has to play out to our detriment.
Think about it. No major world banks will loan Donald Trump a cent! But they will vote for him????
I am not going back.
He … is … unfettered.
We are in a rowboat in the ocean, in the middle of a hurricane, with no oars and no protection.
We are lost at sea.
“It’s not my problem”, “I’m not paying for someone else’s healthcare”, “I don’t like this neighborhood, I’m moving away”.
The rust belt is a clear example of Americans washing their hands of problems they don’t want to deal with.
Darwinian free enterprise has its drawbacks & the results are showing up in increasing numbers.
Homelessness & mass poverty, extremist politics are its dividends.
I haven't heard anything said about stopping him before he can do harm!
We need to stay in lockstep with our pro-democracy representatives & senators to fight every damn challenge to the Constitution. Communicate with their offices, donate to their war chests, and amplify their work.
Blatant
Phony
Cowardly
Bullies
Will destroy us
He does exactly as he pleases - and the justice system is clutching its pearls, watching a traitor destroy US