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brianmfloyd.bsky.social • 25 days ago

the people who need to reckon with this are the people still upset about it years later. it’s a you problem. go to therapy and work it out

Reposted from Lakshya Jain

And I'm coming back to this: I really wish people reckoned more heavily with the consequences of keeping things closed and virtual in the 2020-21 school year — at least for the second semester. It's tough to have a six month shutdown. *12-18 months* was insane.

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mlip16.bsky.social•25 days ago

It’s been 5 yrs & were still listening to these ppl cry

beadebaser.bsky.social•25 days ago

Maybe admit it was terrible policy?

mspdawg.bsky.social•25 days ago

I think what we need to reckon with is the realization that, as a society, we're far too selfish to endure even the most minor inconvenience in furtherance of the greater good. If we can't be expected to forego fuckin' Applebee's in the midst of a pandemic, what actually binds any of us together?

mlip16.bsky.social•25 days ago

Oh i said if this culture was around during WW2 the Nazis & Japanese would’ve steamed rolled us

hollyanderson.bsky.social•25 days ago

This is it, right here

garrettquinn.bsky.social•25 days ago

I don't think closing the schools was a "minor inconvenience" for parents and students

mspdawg.bsky.social•25 days ago

As someone who witnessed first-hand the vitriol directed towards teachers for *checks notes* not wanting to contract and bring home a disease that had the potential to kill their loved ones, you can miss me with this bullshit.

mspdawg.bsky.social•25 days ago

I'm not saying that the move from in-person to virtual didn't impact kids. It most certainly did. But the harms caused by that move have been (and are still being) exacerbated by the same selfishness that undercut the pandemic response in the first place.

mspdawg.bsky.social•25 days ago

Instead of taking actionable steps to help kids catch up or to close socio-economic gaps that were widened as a result of the move to virtual learning we're cutting educational support, continuing to underfund public education, and then whining about the outcomes.

makeshermark.bsky.social•23 days ago

you see the parallels in the “pro-life” movement, where you know it’s all a smoke screen because we don’t see any actions that back up the complaints/rhetoric

shampeon.shampeons.com•25 days ago

And the takeaway is just apparently being pissed off at schools, instead of doing any structural changes that would ameliorate the impact in the future.

Did it trigger a reinvestment into modern HVAC filtering? Better remote learning infrastructure? More sane parental leave? Nope, just this shit.

dude3000.bsky.social•25 days ago

Neither was dying for the 1.2M who did.

whereswebb.bsky.social•25 days ago

Mass death of staff, teachers, students, and their family members is a bigger inconvenience by far

papaalphakilo.bsky.social•25 days ago

I think the biggest thing for students & teachers is that it laid bare how little most parents ACTUALLY care about education. My sister's "remote learning" stories from 2020/2021 are wild. Why should a kid care about school when their mom would vacuum during zoom class?

papaalphakilo.bsky.social•25 days ago

She had a kid zoom in to class from the back seat of a car b/c his mom was taking him to Dick's Sporting Goods for a mouth guard for football at like 1:30pm. One girl had to attend from the bathroom b/c her dad had the TV in the living room turned up so high.

justtmill.bsky.social•25 days ago

The Boy was in first grade in the spring of 2020 and we definitely helped through remote learning, but getting a 7 year old through remote learning was baptism by fire.

He is doing really well now, but I can see the other problems out there.

intergint-systems.bsky.social•25 days ago

You can say (and you're probably right but there's no way to run the experiment and prove it) that school closings were the right thing to do. But if you wave away the social impact you're just not being serious. Why even have schools then?

brianmfloyd.bsky.social•25 days ago

i’m not waving away the social impact i’m saying it is not an excuse or a crutch to continue living your life being angry at the world

intergint-systems.bsky.social•25 days ago

Well, yeah I certainly understand that but you said "reckon with". I don't think you should sit and fume about it but it's good to remember when you are trying to make sense of the world that "oh yeah, school just wasn't a thing for a whole year very recently"

brianmfloyd.bsky.social•25 days ago

anyway i think i’m more annoyed that a bunch of the covid recovery funds went to police departments buying million dollar military surplus vehicles instead of retrofitting schools and providing more long-term community support than i am about shutdowns

nathanhb.bsky.social•25 days ago

Personally very upset the Seattle City Counselor Member pocketed a bunch of COVID funds for her brewery as she laid off a bunch of employees! I do find that deeply upsetting!

brianmfloyd.bsky.social•23 days ago

go to therapy and work out your feelings instead of dragging us all down with you https://bsky.app/profile/sharonk.bsky.social/post/3lhlo7nihbk25

idthemike.xyz•23 days ago

He's just full of shit. It's just othering a class of people his disphit audience doesn't understand.

beefhusker84.bsky.social•23 days ago

People missed one family dinner at Applebee's and became Right Wing Joker

sendalienstome.bsky.social•23 days ago

What they don't understand is if it wasn't Covid, they would have declared a war on science anyway. Covid is an excuse for the death of expertise, but not the cause.

notreedstrong.bsky.social•23 days ago

Scientists:
Here are some tools to save lives during a pandemic.

“Pro-life” simpletons:
HOW DARE YOU? THIS IS WAR!

mariomdoza.bsky.social•25 days ago

I understand being mad because of the shutdown, don’t understand that anger not being directed at the failure of governance that led to its necessity

howdytimbo.bsky.social•25 days ago

or how a lot of the Restaurant Revitalization Fund went to (large) businesses that closed anyway but no one has/had any idea if the unused money was ever returned!

jayjaydean.bsky.social•25 days ago

Also I’m sorry that you* had to get through the challenge of parenting that must have been rough

*not you, Brian

alex1563.bsky.social•25 days ago

The only good to come about all of it was finding out WFH absolutely rules and has no drawbacks. Also its been 5 years man. Why are they still complaining?

tigermakers.bsky.social•25 days ago

From a public health standpoint, closing the schools was the right call. Schools are the drivers of communicable respiratory diseases in a community.

The frustrating thing about public health is when it works, it seems like it wasn't necessary...if that makes sense.

tigermakers.bsky.social•25 days ago

Now what should have happened is every public school kid should have been treated like a college athlete and received a Covid year to catch up, but that would require an investment in schools to facilitate the extra students.

jeffersonpilot.bsky.social•25 days ago

“When you do things right, people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all” part of health

tigermakers.bsky.social•25 days ago

People: "There are too many people dying...DO SOMETHING!"

Public Health: Does Something

People: "There are not enough people dying now to justify the thing you did, that kept people from dying. This is oppression."

picklesplease.bsky.social•25 days ago

i was in grad school for public health and was set to finish my thesis in spring of 2020. after i saw how everyone treated public health workers i dropped out. i mourn for what could have been but the general public AND parts of the government would have made me lose my mind.

tigermakers.bsky.social•25 days ago

My Masters in Public Health only makes me anxious these days.

picklesplease.bsky.social•25 days ago

i understand and i’m sorry - once everything started falling to the wayside last week i told my husband i was secretly happy i never finished so i wasn’t on some list somewhere.

for you and every other person in public health, i hope i am wrong. y’all are so necessary for thankless work.

allenkenney.bsky.social•25 days ago

No one gets credit for the medical system *not* being paralyzed by an overwhelming number of people sick with a new virus

tigermakers.bsky.social•25 days ago

Which was the explicit goal of most mitigation strategies.

If a school in a small community had a covid outbreak it would
immediately wipe out the local medical system.That didn't happen. It saved untold number of lives.

These folks are happy to let someone else die for their cause.

brianmfloyd.bsky.social•25 days ago

think the medical system is still rightfully mad because even with the mitigation steps they were (and are) still overworked and overwhelmed too

tigermakers.bsky.social•25 days ago

Absolutely, my brother-in-law basically had to retire from nursing b/c of the stress. He had to watch one of his good friends slowly die of Covid over 2 months and it really fucked him up. No one cared.

handsoffthesub.bsky.social•25 days ago

It’s honestly just people who had kids out of the societal norm who don’t want to be parents who are upset cause the pandemic forced them to be present and actually have to be focused on their kid’s lives. So dumb.

celebrityhottub.bsky.social•25 days ago

like even if you think this was a huge problem...what are you doing NOW to account for the setbacks you argue it created?

brianmfloyd.bsky.social•25 days ago

right you can’t just whine and complain your way back to “before times,” that’s not how any of this works

hockeybear.space•25 days ago

I’m complaining on a niche microblogging website!

tarantuladad.bsky.social•25 days ago

if anything, schools should have been closed longer. schools were (and still are! the pandemic is not over) a major source of covid infections being brought into the home. anyone who pushed the idea that children are somehow immune to covid should be ostracized for the damage they’ve caused

tarantuladad.bsky.social•25 days ago

but def agree that if you’re this messed up over the fact schools closed (and, again, they didn’t close long enough) this long after the fact, there’s a cool thing called therapy you can try

tarantuladad.bsky.social•25 days ago

as someone who teaches people who started high school in 2020, I do think it academically impacted these kids a lot, but I don’t think opening schools earlier would have fixed it! academically behind is better than dead or seeing more people die

howdytimbo.bsky.social•25 days ago

also most districts across the country, especially in red states, were back in person Fall 2020? Others went at least hybrid Spring 2021.

It's like folks forget the outbreak happened in March 2020 but the vaccine wasn't *widely* available until March/April 2021!

brianmfloyd.bsky.social•25 days ago

folks seem to remember 12-18 months when it was really a couple weeks sporadically depending on when rates got super high or strains got strong

dude3000.bsky.social•25 days ago

Yeah, everyone pretty much gave up on restrictions after George Floyd's murder, because stopping mass gatherings was impossible.

dude3000.bsky.social•25 days ago

That was like six weeks after initial shutdowns.

bigpapipopsicle.bsky.social•25 days ago

Virginia closed for like a month. Maybe.

jasonkirk.fyi•25 days ago

My state was closed for like nine minutes. Also who the hell *wants* to go to school

mistermagic.bsky.social•25 days ago

poops69.bsky.social•25 days ago

My wife's family from the South is 100% convinced we couldn't go to restaurants in NYC until about 2023.

iamgoog.bsky.social•25 days ago

As a Houstonian, I don’t think I can point to a time in which my city was closed. My grandparents church literally never stopped. Grocery stores were always open. School took like a two month period of not being in person to finish out the year. Sports games were attended in full.

brianmfloyd.bsky.social•25 days ago

i thought everyone wanted to work from home

mattbrown.bsky.social•25 days ago

at the risk of committing a bluesky heresy...im not saying it wasn't ultimately the right idea, but in my personal experience, having little kids somewhere where schools really DID shut down for an extended period of time..it did fuck up a lot of other important stuff. I get why people are mad

brianmfloyd.bsky.social•25 days ago

it did fuck up other stuff but this is where i’m also like … everyone needs to unpack these feelings and not just continue to be angry about those decisions from a massive event that can’t be changed. we can learn from it all, but we’re using it as an excuse to be buttheads about it still

blackie.bsky.social•24 days ago

Bootstraps and whatnot.

josephvw.bsky.social•25 days ago

I don't think it's heresy to say that being confined to your home while being expected to still operate life as normal didn't fuck shit up and people shouldn't be mad. It just comes down to what do you think should have been done and so who should you be mad at

stholeary.bsky.social•25 days ago

2500 people a day were dying of COVID in the first half of 2021. I feel like the people who complain about COVID restrictions are those lucky enough to not know anyone who died from it. I'm not one of those lucky ones.

josephvw.bsky.social•25 days ago

I think even the people who knew people who died were still rationalising it away, by saying they were old or sick. As if COVID didn't take away the last bit of precious time those people had left with their loved ones.

mattbrown.bsky.social•25 days ago

Just speaking for me personally, I dont have any grudges towards the officials that make decisions to close stuff down, but I have a lot of anger towards those that run the supplementary support systems that didn't work

or how much of the policies were driven by appearances rather than science

brianmfloyd.bsky.social•25 days ago

also a very fair and nuanced view of it all that i appreciate and agree with

josephvw.bsky.social•25 days ago

That's fair enough, it's politicization did a lot to drive how everyone responded to it and because it effected everyone so differently its hard for us to form a collective memory of that period

lfn.bsky.social•25 days ago

The term you're looking for here is "Monday Morning Quarterbacking." We hear shit like "if that were me, I'd have scored a touchdown" when no gov't on the planet handled a global pandemic well. We live in a world of Twitter experts where everyone is full of shit but believes in themselves

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