My controversial opinion on young men’s right wing radicalization is that we should not undo the second wave and sacrifice women’s rights, dignity, freedom, and access to the public sphere for the sake of men’s feelings.
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When I was researching the Victoria era I came across a book where a Londoner visited a suffragette's speech and his takeaway was basically "she's right but she's delivering her message in a strident way so I don't to listen to it." This has been the strategy a long time.
This approach oversimplifies the issue and unfairly implies that addressing radicalization requires sacrificing women's rights, which is a false dichotomy that neglects the complexity of the problem.
This. Exactly. These “men” think they are dispossessed because others succeeded. Meanwhile, they aren’t going to college at the same rates, they aren’t going to trade school, and a lot of them just want to play video games. They aren’t unemployed because someone is biased, they are underprepared
What the term ? F their feelings - men need to learn this is an equal society. We share responsibilities in the workforce and the home. We are not thier triphy wives and toys. We are not their dlaves and baby machines . They need therapy before we ever surrender our rights
Why should I care about men's feelings? They have been stomping on women's feelings, rights, and safety for centuries. They will keep on doing so unless we stop them.
The succinct way of describing the movement: "Right-wing columnists and reporters, having come from trans rights, have now moved onto demanding women accept the blame for all the increasingly patriarchal bullshit men are doing because they're lame and violent, and would rather stay that way."
Men's feelings quickly turn into actions, and actions quickly turn into murder, rape, misogyny, and patriarchy. The only opinion on it should be that women should arm themselves and be prepared to shoot anyone who tries to take their rights.
Like it’s everyone else’s fault that men get their feelings hurt when they’re called out for boorish, predatory attitudes and behaviors? Because they’re used to getting away with it and don’t like being made uncomfortable? And their discomfort is someone else’s responsibility? Two words: puh leez.
Joe Rogan is the fool conspiracy creep he played on tv.
He hypnotized millions convinced 18 year old boys to vote for His Nazi friend.
Don't understand why Dem. (what we thought Dem. were until yesterday) don't form a corp and create our anti Rogan
Actually, that is exactly what Meidas is doing.
Transphobic, misogynistic men are trying to insist the definition of woman is “adult human female,” so they can exclude trans & intersex women (which leads to excluding cis women without a uterus, etc) & they keep trying to act like it’s an own that we reject that def & say we can’t define women.
Obviously, any category of people are complex and far beyond a 3-word description. But again, that’s their misogynistic view as they feel entitled to define us to keep us less than and in a box (and in constant competition with each other for who can be most feminine, by male standards of course).
Anyone who knows biology knows that nobody is genetically 100% one thing or the other, and so multiple genders makes sense. That we've even been able to define so many of them shows a simplification.
Once we realise as a society (and yes, I'm even including the people it...
...should make no difference to in this) that people are just people and trying to define others by terms we're more comfortable with only diminishes them, we'll be a lot better off.
What is a woman? Someone who feels like they're one. Science gets that, so why make it more complex?
The first is that you have these absolute pathetic pieces of crap like Tate and Peterson and their ilk who have seen a market to use the one thing they have (a fight record, a degree) that some others don't to make themselves stand out. They spread the same sort...
...they're exhausted by it. Go too far one way and they're told they're not real men, plus nobody really stands up for them. Go the other way, they're told they're toxic but the other toxic assholes will stand up for them. And that's true of mistakes too.
The best male allies are getting these young men offline to go to a board game meetup or play frisbee golf in the park, etc. I work at a uni & what these men need is positive male friendships in their lives. You don’t even need to make it about politics a lot can be fix with time and friendship.
Men and women being pitted against each other is a symptom, not the disease. The disease is the hollowing out of the middle class. Men and women are not partnering, delaying family planning because it is impossible to achieve the American dream.
Anyone who has to be hand-held out of women-hatred is actually a bad person & society should not normalize that misogyny as a natural outgrowth of feminist overreach but rather an internal moral flaw of the woman-hater.
Agreed. Right with ya. "What are we going to do about all these disaffected boys?". I'm not their mum, and they won't listen to a woman. My job won't be the help them, I will be fighting them. I don't feel bad about it.
I want men to understand who they are in our society, to define their own value, without using women as the dramatic foils for their power or strength or protectiveness. Not to feel harmed by our strength. No one should define themself by other people.
Every now and then when I feel like stirring the pot, I’ll cheerfully explain to men why they really don’t want schools and/or academic programs to base admission strictly on GPA and test scores, unless they want students attending those schools and programs to be predominantly women.
We need to do whatever it takes to make it clear that oppression of women is not a viable political selling point; that even if it appeals to the young men, women will make it unproductive in the extreme.
As The NY Times reported recently - as young men are moving towards the right- young women are moving to the left. This was also seen in the recent German elections. They can’t get far enough away from the bros.
It's distressing the right leaning pipeline I've seen my fellow men go down. Yes men have emotions, but bigotry and misogyny shouldn't be there, where compassion and empathy should lay.
This is not controversial to me. You are absolutely correct. Strong women scare weak men so they lash out to put all women down. Throw is some religion and all goes to hell.
Margaret Atwood saw this coming in 1985.
I will never accept or agree with these types of men who believe they have a right to engage in violence against women and sex traffic women and children, they can fuck all the way off
We asked men to be better people, treat us and everyone else as equals, and thier response was to form a Fascist Dictatorship where only rich white men will have any rights. That's pretty much what is happening right now.
Dem party lied to low+middle class for decades. RonR, first actor, was Dem elite's favorite pres. In the 90's. Clinton gave speeches about need for American austerity. Also, insider stock trading. The rise of corp. dem. corruption. Schumer.
And cynically, Dems expected their, my vote.
And I did.
Where, pray tell, did she ever say anything about getting rid of men? How fragile are you? JFC, grow a spine and fix your shit. Women don’t owe you anything.
Believe it or not, I was asked last week on France’s second radio morning show, if it is not because MeToo went too far that Trump is now the president of the US and the world is falling apart. I told the guy it’d be like asking German Jews in 1935 if it wasn’t a bit their fault, he was unconvinced
Well, had I screamed, he and many people would have seen it as an additional proof that feminists are insane hysterical men haters that no one should listen to, so I stayed calm but it utterly depressed me
"he was unconvinced"
I deleted several enraged responses to this. I think I'll keep those thoughts to my self for now. But the fact that you are not in prison for murder is a testament to your character.
I don't equate these at all, ever. But what do I know On this. I get the anger and hate women have. My wife told me and showed me what she had in School. Respectfully, I think the question was to bait you.
Too much of the left would rather appease men who cannot handle women interacting with them on equal footing (by re-oppressing women) than commit to women’s equality as a non-negotiable liberal value.
Men failing to gain sexual/romantic access to women is not a justification for misogyny or oppression of women. Women making educational gains is not justification. Women achieving financial independence is not justification.
You overestimate men. Evil men have manipulated tens of millions of the stupidest angry arrogant boys, to hate women, working class, poor, disabled. They model the lead fascist.
At the top are trillionaires. And the punks probably aren't gonna figure it out because they hate themselves.
Fuckers.
Yes, men have been socially manipulated into misogyny, & unfortunately some political thought suggests that appeasing that misogyny by undermining the minimal progress women have made towards equality is a viable electoral strategy, which is the point of the OP.
Gee, I wonder if there is a message that could get those votes.without undoing any of this things?
Nah, let Nazi repubs have it.
'How to lose to Nazi dictator for the next century '
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So if anyone is oversimplifying the issue, if people writing those shit articles
Time to talk with these Rogan Boyz
CAN we reach them now? How?
We ask questions about why they think this way & what benefits come from that?
Rogan had brainwashed these boyz ignorance of the interrelationships of how things work
Rogan makes money off advertisers and is targeting these ppl the way Limbaugh did
You know how you get a sexist, racist 11 yr old to stop being racist and misogynistic?
You get the tough cool 13 year old he admires to rip him a new one about his behavior and then have that 13 yr old ostracize him until he does better.
He hypnotized millions convinced 18 year old boys to vote for His Nazi friend.
Don't understand why Dem. (what we thought Dem. were until yesterday) don't form a corp and create our anti Rogan
Actually, that is exactly what Meidas is doing.
What have the most pathetic examples of "manhood" done that's going to reflect on the rest of us now?
Anyone who knows biology knows that nobody is genetically 100% one thing or the other, and so multiple genders makes sense. That we've even been able to define so many of them shows a simplification.
Once we realise as a society (and yes, I'm even including the people it...
What is a woman? Someone who feels like they're one. Science gets that, so why make it more complex?
The first is that you have these absolute pathetic pieces of crap like Tate and Peterson and their ilk who have seen a market to use the one thing they have (a fight record, a degree) that some others don't to make themselves stand out. They spread the same sort...
The second is that a lot of young boys are lonely and being raised in a time of flux where they feel they have to walk a bit of a tightrope and...
They're getting more support from the...
It’s not complicated.
Creating full employment always needs to address potential inflationary pressures
Especially by reminding folks that banks create most of our money supply
And banks hate when households don’t need to take out so many loans
Margaret Atwood saw this coming in 1985.
And cynically, Dems expected their, my vote.
And I did.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle-columnists/arid-41592826.html
Without a man, you wouldn’t be here. Shut up.
Without a woman, you wouldn’t be here. Shut up.
Seems you have more issues reading than I do?
Next.
I thought I typed something else to be honest 👀
Someone called you out on it, understandably. Them, and I, are both asking you where you got the idea that she wants to get rid of men.
I think you're making an unfair assumption.
men : your body MY choice
media : I feel like one side overreacted... the hysteric women
I deleted several enraged responses to this. I think I'll keep those thoughts to my self for now. But the fact that you are not in prison for murder is a testament to your character.
At the top are trillionaires. And the punks probably aren't gonna figure it out because they hate themselves.
Fuckers.
Nah, let Nazi repubs have it.
'How to lose to Nazi dictator for the next century '