The Democrats are about to get taught a lesson about Power Vs Laws and they are gonna try their very best not to learn it because the lesson would make everything they've done for the last 25 years seem ridiculous if it were internalized
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Oh friends, it’s such a shame we don’t know our history. This is almost an exact replica of how things played out in Germany before the holocaust began. They controlled all media , FIRST.
Come back on Monday after Trump & Co realize that they can’t do anything about Tik Tok without an act of Congress. 5 yr statute of limitations. Potential penalty of $850 billion. No GC of any platform company will risk the next President enforcing the law.
or, get this: take advantage of the political apparatus you have corrupted and bought out to ignore all that and reverse the ban anyways. because law is meaningless if you have power.
The whole "Trump can't legally do that!" line is especially nitwitted given that the Supreme Court has already ruled that Trump can legally do illegal things.
Really sad to watch Republicans figure out that illegal and impossible are two different things before Democrats do. (Though they still make the same mistake on the other end when they try to ban everything from abortion to books)
Dems are usually more like: We can shit in your mouth better because now the republicans are doing it we need to shit in mouths too so they don’t call us commies.
Kinda like Biden announcing SCOTUS reform ideas in his POTUS exit speech. After ignoring millions begging him during his first few months in office to do something about the unfair and unbalanced Supreme Court.
One of many examples of Democratic Leadership slow learning curve.
They will just tell anyone who has even the slightest critique that they’re communists or whatever. Pound for pound dumbest political party imaginable given the circumstances.
Lmao all the people are like "uh Trump can't do that, theres no wiggle room in the LAW read the LAW idiot" didn't read the law and whoopsie doopsie there's a huge loophole that explicitly allows Trump to do exactly this. https://bsky.app/profile/sahilkapur.bsky.social/post/3lg4chob33s2j
It doesn't sound like the Speaker is on board with that unless there actually is a deal in progress, though, so I'm not sure if the legal picture would be clear enough in the wake of Trump doing this that Apple/Google's general counsels would agree to lift the ban. https://bsky.app/profile/sahilkapur.bsky.social/post/3lg4c6ddpcc2j
Also, the deadline has already passed, and since the law doesn't explicitly say whether you can extend the deadline after it passes, you'd need a court to rule on it or else it would be left ambiguous + potentially something a court could rule on unfavorably years from now.
If none of (A), (B) or (C) actually exist, can Apple and Google be absolutely confident a $850 billion fine won’t happen despite a presidential certification?
Maybe it is, if Trump does an absolutely false certification. I don’t know think Apple and Google would want to risk it though.
There is a long list of not necessarily well aligned risks that Apple et al would prefer not to countenance, and “pissing off the guy in charge of the SEC, FBI and IRS” after an election in which he repeatedly promised to use them against his enemies probably ranks pretty high.
I agree with you that Trump is going to want to try to do something like this, but actual executing depends on third-party actors (Apple, Google) that are still constrained by laws.
Oh, you *know* Dems would vote in lock-step with repealing the ban. "Oh, this is so unpopular! If we vote to repeal the ban, we'll get credit too!" (They will promptly receive zero credit.)
Maybe, but ultimately the issue is about the risk aversion of the general counsels at Apple/google/etc. and I'm not fully convinced whatever show of power Trump puts out will be enough to convince them to risk the billions of dollars in exposure. But we will see by later this week.
Read the law again. The deadline is today. Trump is not president today. Nobody has ever attempted to extend a deadline that has already passed, I don’t see any legal mechanism for him to do that.
Do you not think people care about a major platform they personally use being taken down? It’s going to be the retort to literally every freedom quashing thing the GOP does for the next five years.
Since they'd be in continuous violation of the law he'd have to pardon them again every day. Which he could do (or other equivalent things) but he's then in a position to shake them down for bigger & bigger bribes to keep doing it so they might not want to go that way.
A. I don't know what this statement really has to do with things up thread B. Assuming magic enforcement of "rule of law" is the problem here. Also, now the corporations have extra incentive for the fascism is not the winningest of points.
Trump tried to kill TT when he thought it hurt him politically and now TT is working with Trump to help him act as its savior in likely a very corrupt partnership. If TT is brought back in a few days, I really hope people see how much they have just been used and manipulated.
I would not bet on that. Trump just can't wave his hand and say that the law isn't in effect. Even simple non-enforcement is not going to reassure Apple and Google to allow the app back on their stores.
The app stores control new user access, but it comes down to TikTok itself for if it's dark or not. Biden said he wouldn't enforce the law while president, but without legal assurances of that TikTok still shut itself off for US users who have it already installed.
The GC at any company even potentially at risk of incurring liability under this thing is going to drive a truck bomb into their own HQ before they let that happen
I would happily bet against this. Apple and Google would have to decide they’re okay with risking potentially billions in future fines and civil liabilities if they started hosting the app again. So far no one has explained why they would be willing to do this.
I think all of this collapse of postwar political consensus is downstream of the US' response to 9/11. Shame H.W. Bush didn't live to see the actual New World Order his son issued in.
This Democrats versus Republican bullshit is stupid and a washed up narrative, get your mind straight and realize both sides are fucked. They’re both sides of the same fascist bird that’s going to try to tell you what you were supposed to do. this is no longer a country for the people by the people.
And even then it wasn’t truly for all people, realistically speaking, this country is fucked. It’s always been fucked and until we fix things and take down the stupid ideology it’s built on, it’s going to remain fucked.
With how developed the world is, we as a combined society can do better for all of its people, but we’re letting the people in charge destroy everything around us
Okay, I admit I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. That Republicans are better at exerting power while Democrats play by the rules? Because it's weird to criticize that. Those rules are what make us democratic. Abandon them and it's just autocrats vs. autocrats. Bad guys vs bad guys.
They're only rules if they're enforced, and they (very demonstrably) aren't.
Half of the 'but we'd be just as bad as them!' pearl clutching out there is about people saying that the Democrats should enforce those rules in the first place.
No, that is the basis of Kant. There are multiple schools of ethics and morality, some which say it is fine to do things like lie to murder when you are hiding their would-be victim
There are no ethics if you do anything to win. You're just building an excuse to have no standards of behavior, no rules of conduct. You're attempting to remove the guardrails of decency and morality.
You sure you aren't MAGA? Because that's how they operate and WHY we oppose them.
I have plenty of rules of conduct, I'm a utilitarian, they just concern important things like the lives, safety, and happiness of people. Your primary concern is following arbitrary rules that the other side doesn't play by.
They couldn't even find the spines to follow the rules. We used to execute traitors to the US. All they did was refuse to hold the reichpublicans accountable and lose democracy by their cowardice. Biden knew that the GOP was compromised and what did he do? Put a GOP in charge of the doj.
Yes, he’s saying they want power rather than law. They’re saying the quiet parts aloud now. The more people they have power over, the less rules they’re to follow as they know they can get away with it.
“We believe in institutions and norms! And there’s nothing we can do about the Davis Calhoun Rule from 1836 that gives slaveholding states a veto over legislation related to commerce! There’s nothing we can do!”
More important to stick with norms and traditions than to put effort into doing anything helpful for living, breathing, existing human beings today. All they did was enable me to be in a position of public power.
Just top down you can look anywhere and chances are you'll see Republicans governing like they're never going to get power again and on the Democratic side half don't even care about legislating and the other half defer to norms. Have to grab the levers of power.
It’s like watching a horror movie, you want the scream at the screen: don’t separate and walk off without a weapon! And then they do it anyway and get picked off one by one
It feels a lot like Uber driving and Lyft drivers where people are making too much money and need a way to make them earn less money and make it harder to make money
I mean let’s be a bit objective: TikTok was a huge pain in the ass of the oligarchs. Republics couldn’t do it, they’re already in the hot seat. Dems had to take the heat for it. It’s all a game that’s going to cost them their jobs
Zuck lobbied against it cuz companies were taking their marketing dollars off FB and placing into TikTok, the better app. Bezos cared because it was quickly become a competitor to Amazon. We are in a attention economy. So instead of Zuck making his products better , he lobbied against the better app
Lastly, Congress doesn't give a eff about you or your "data". That was a false flag. Even the blind could see this was about money and control. The US gov't doesn't care about propaganda, they care they weren't getting a cut of the TikTok pie.
The fact they even banned TikTok in the first place should be a concern to you, regardless of your political party. Any level headed Republican knows that the more laws they create the less rights the ppl have.
This is the stupidest take. Esp since it was Trump who pushed for TikTok to be banned in the first place. Second, even if TikTok becomes active again, no one is giving him props cuz they know he only did it to look like a hero. They could have at anytime stopped this.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/tiktok-voluntarily-shuts-down-in-u-s-divest-or-ban-law-set-to-take-effect/
Dems: don’t stop them
Very smart people: fucking Dems, shitting in my mouth
see pained metaphors are really easy and you're not as clever as you think you are
One of many examples of Democratic Leadership slow learning curve.
Maybe it is, if Trump does an absolutely false certification. I don’t know think Apple and Google would want to risk it though.
I can understand why folks think he’s a genius, but this legitimately funny in its stupidity
A Trump order saying “there’s a binding divestiture agreement” when none exists preserves liability for app stores and data centers that host TikTok.
So even if Congress ignores Trump’s lawlessness, platforms might not.
To say nothing of 4 years from now.
https://bsky.app/profile/bobbyallyn.bsky.social/post/3lg2xvyyqk22u
If Corporations are people, can he just pardon them?
(Assuming he doesn't just cow Congress into repealing or modifying the law)
Be they Putin, Xi or Trump
Some sort of sham divestment is more likely, but that will take weeks
If apple or google turn it on, they face legal issues for violating a federal law. Shareholders don’t like that.
Gear up and fall in.
We lucked out with FDR.
Half of the 'but we'd be just as bad as them!' pearl clutching out there is about people saying that the Democrats should enforce those rules in the first place.
You sure you aren't MAGA? Because that's how they operate and WHY we oppose them.
Like do if life sucks for everyone, that we got there by democratic means is a very small comfort.
- Rust Cohle
More important to stick with norms and traditions than to put effort into doing anything helpful for living, breathing, existing human beings today. All they did was enable me to be in a position of public power.