agreed & i'll add something more cynical for the bsky team: you'll see more growth if you ban people like him. for anyone he brings over he'll drive someone off, whereas "holy shit bluesky ban the known troll shitheads on sight" posted all over X will do a lot more for you numbers-wise - ThreadSky

shaunvids.bsky.social • 151 days ago

agreed & i'll add something more cynical for the bsky team: you'll see more growth if you ban people like him. for anyone he brings over he'll drive someone off, whereas "holy shit bluesky ban the known troll shitheads on sight" posted all over X will do a lot more for you numbers-wise

Reposted from ʜᴇʟʟ-DOPA

kinda feel like the Bsky team won't listen to trans users about this, so I'll say it as a Cis Person: I don't want Jesse Singal on here spreading his lying hateful "just asking questions" bullshit. he is not acting in good faith, he causes active harm, and he adds nothing worthwhile to this platform

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benjkrause.bsky.social•150 days ago

100%

erinstephanie.bsky.social•150 days ago

Social media platforms need an ostracization system. "Oh, you're pissing everyone off? Gtfo."

shanephotos.bsky.social•150 days ago

Guys, if you want to voice your annoyance, mention Jay, Aaron and the rest of the staff on their personal accounts. Safety and the brand accounts aren't monitored for mentions.

adrishiu.bsky.social•150 days ago

Very least thanks for alerting me about the prick so I can block him.

epee.cc•151 days ago

And that also means more trolls will come over out of defiance or to try to "trigger the libs" or just because, as we've already established long ago, when their social networks don't have enough non-trolls to victimize, they start eating themselves.

omnifitense.bsky.social•150 days ago

Put it far more succinctly than I was going to.

donkeykonga.bsky.social•150 days ago

Bluesky needs to understand the man reason this site blew up is because everyone got tired of the trolls and grifters on Twitter and left. We came here specifically because the trolls and grifters weren’t here.

thereallenin.bsky.social•151 days ago

I’d be happy if Bluesky just closely monitored his account and insta removed anything remotely questionable he posts rather than an outright ban, we all know exactly what the right wing will say if the out right ban him, and I think Bluesky do too which is why he’s still here

skreee.bsky.social•150 days ago

So what? He is already lying his ass off and whatever happens, he will whine about it. Right-wingers will always make themselves the victims, facts be damned.

mxwoermsin.gothgeek.org•150 days ago

Sure, but they’ll say pretty much exactly the same if bsky selectively nuke his posts.

sasooli.bsky.social•150 days ago

And it potentially gives them more ammunition because it's a recurring thing - every week you can go "look, censored again!" whereas there's less mileage in "month six of still being banned".

ellocust.bsky.social•150 days ago

Who cares what they say? They’re going to push that narrative regardless.

drbutchermd.bsky.social•150 days ago

So they brought the cunt back again? Jesus.

b33tlebreath.bsky.social•150 days ago

They need to learn the paradox of tolerance. If you tolerate intolerant people on your platform it becomes an intolerant platform.

hollybrigstocke.bsky.social•151 days ago

If a website can't be bothered to provide a decent venue and appropriate safeguarding they don't deserve us. It's that simple.

Trans are unicorns. Most people will never knowingly meet us during their entire lives. Shitgobs are ten-a-penny.

wisco-disco.bsky.social•150 days ago

I was never on Twitter and the whole reason that I got on here was that I saw that they banned the quartering. I was like that sounds like a cool place I should check that out

konanmetalscholar.bsky.social•150 days ago

Hi Shaun, big fan of your essays

calibraptor.bsky.social•150 days ago

We can just collectively ban them as a community by blocking them.

Not that I'd complain if staff banned them off the site, but we're not 100% reliant on administrative action to get rid of shitheads here.

capnshores.bsky.social•150 days ago

I think while that is a good feature that is not avaliable on twitter, we cannot just allow transphobes to post bile and hatred and gather up an audience.
IT. WILL. GET. WORSE.
We have to be proactive in this shit. No fascists allowed at this party.

rigg.lgbt•151 days ago

Cosigned

raoulduke1976.bsky.social•151 days ago

Be the anti-X

raoulduke1976.bsky.social•151 days ago

But I guess this place isn’t different at all and will just chase growth at all costs.
Dumb capitalism

vanoreo.bsky.social•150 days ago

whats x

acabylonbee.bsky.social•150 days ago

get his ass

dogsrnice.bsky.social•150 days ago

The only acceptable reason to call it that is if you hit the character limit and don't want to reword anything

Or incredibly sarcastically

sasooli.bsky.social•150 days ago

Not much, what's x with you?

aristar4ever.bsky.social•150 days ago

idk sounds like a porn website

chester66red.bsky.social•150 days ago

What Twitter was renamed

aristar4ever.bsky.social•150 days ago

What's twitter

mb778.bsky.social•150 days ago

idk sounds like a porn website

derealization00.bsky.social•150 days ago

I don’t think there’s enough information to solve this equation :(

euorpa.bsky.social•151 days ago

Especially now that they'll start asking for subscriptions. The people most willing to pay for that, are the people who wish to keep this place safe from bigotry and harassment, but who'd want to pay Bluesky for sitting on their hands?

shiniblackrose.bsky.social•150 days ago

Smh

edmartin.bsky.social•150 days ago

One of the positives I've seen of the Bsky community is the willingness to call out bad-faith trolling for what it is, rather than to join in with the game of make-believe that they're arguing with sincerely held views.

willisfinale.bsky.social•151 days ago

This is especially true if they want to go down the subscription route - they can either target a smaller group of subscribers by appealing to them directly or target no subscribers at all by trying to appeal to everyone.

hannahhbic.bsky.social•150 days ago

@bsky.app

@safety.bsky.app

jamieboops.bsky.social•151 days ago

It’s an important precedent for them to set because X will inevitably be abandoned. Bsky can let transphobes know they’re not welcome here or they can lose the appeal they have with their original users when we suddenly see jkr and Matt Walsh here

theotherswanson.bsky.social•150 days ago

Women and LGBT people are publicly stating that they came here because they felt safer than they did on Twitter. BlueSky needs to internalize this and act accordingly.

gidmk.bsky.social•150 days ago

While I can understand the sentiment, I doubt that this would be true. I suspect on aggregate Singal and colleagues would bring quite a few more people to Bluesky than they would turn off the platform (especially as many of those who might leave probably will never know he's here).

leviathan3k.bsky.social•150 days ago

Nah, the idea that there aren't fuckheads over here like him is a *huge* draw to people.

Those of us who've been here a while made a distinct cultural point of bullying them right off the site, and it's kept this place from being a nazi bar.

gidmk.bsky.social•150 days ago

It is a huge draw to a relatively small group of people, but also a negative for another relatively small group. 90%+ of the target market for Bsky probably doesn't know who he is. And I suspect the people for whom it would be a draw outnumber the people who care enough to not use the service.

annarchism.bsky.social•150 days ago

You're not wrong, but his followers largely consist of a hodgepodge of anti-trans ideologues who are keen on spreading his scientific-sounding anti-trans arguments and boosting even the most flimsy evidence in support of the anti-trans position.

annarchism.bsky.social•150 days ago

But the harassment that these people bring alone should be enough to justify a ban.

exceedhergrasp1.bsky.social•148 days ago

I'm not trans, but I'm not foolish enough to believe an anti-trans ideologue wouldn't pivot to attacking whatever minoritized group he figures could hit hard enough for some income to fall out. Bsky's response to him is a big deal for me, and should be for anyone with a grip on reality.

exceedhergrasp1.bsky.social•148 days ago

Like, it's also cruel and unacceptable to target a minoritized group, regardless of what happens to anyone else, AND it's clear he's a violent person enacting the violence he feels he can get away with, provided it pays well in funding & fame.

sloanelysbeth.bsky.social•151 days ago

it’s the miscalculation liberals always make.

‘if we pander to the right we will gain from the right’ while failing to understand they’ll lose more from the left than they gain from the right.

illumrial.bsky.social•150 days ago

Pander to me senpai

reversemirror.bsky.social•150 days ago

The opposite seems to be true.

Leftists vote for Democrats even as they genocide and threaten mass deportation

sloanelysbeth.bsky.social•150 days ago

i think you’re conflating leftists with liberals.

reversemirror.bsky.social•150 days ago

No, I mean leftists.

They argue that letting the right win over the moderates is a greater defeat than letting the moderates win

menger-spongebob.bsky.social•150 days ago

are those people you're trying to attract still on twitter? i thought they were here already

yotetheelf.bsky.social•150 days ago

'strewth

samantha42.bsky.social•151 days ago

I just cannot understand how they could possibly look at the mass exodus from twitter to here and then go, yes those are the moderation policies we want to emulate.

themagicfolf.bsky.social•150 days ago

If it continues I'll go to tumblr

n7taselby.bsky.social•151 days ago

Same with Vaush.
Dude *should not* be in here.

karilas.bsky.social•150 days ago

Damn I haven't thought about that weird dipshit in a year or three

heathdg.southsidesecret.club•151 days ago

Agree with this completely. Reinstating this asshole was bsky’s decision, yet given that the guy trafficks in hate speech done up as “just asking questions,” it seems more than reasonable to ban him forever. He’s a bigot and the good thing about bsky ATM is not having to see that type of shit.

jenalysis.bsky.social•150 days ago

To be more cynical, I think bsky might be afraid that if they do go after shitheads like this, Trump will pass a law forcing them to allow folks like this on their site. They've threatened to do such.

clementinedanger.bsky.social•151 days ago

If they ban one member of the media class for being a raging transphobe they have to be consistent, and can you imagine a new social media platform making an enemy of the entire journalist class, 90% of which have both a personal interest and top-down mandate in pushing transphobia?

gits.bsky.social•151 days ago

sounds good to me

clementinedanger.bsky.social•151 days ago

This is a class thing. Journos are EXTREMELY good at their own nook of class consciousness. Piss off one of them and the whole machine starts bleating about free speech and democracy and all their little causes they for sure care a lot about.

I don't want to be a doomer but I don't like our odds.

tblstbls.bsky.social•151 days ago

But he is not even a real journalist anymore. For years now he lives off Patreon and makes gibberish. I doubt he counts as one for people you talk about. And most of them does not know he exists, this is niche stuff.

pengxia.bsky.social•150 days ago

agree, the dude literally published a minor's medical records. he has about as much journalistic integrity as a tabloid reporter.

also other actual journos hate him, so there's that. journos are not a monolith, etc

eternalcatwar.bsky.social•150 days ago

yup, these people are grifter trash and without support their voice withers on the vine

braverytewalker.bsky.social•151 days ago

@bsky.app

@safety.bsky.app

Look at how many people want this weirdo off Bluesky. Don’t let bigots poison yet another platform.

aromaofbagels.bsky.social•150 days ago

Truly! @safety.bsky.app please act on this, no one wants him here except his henchmen

shanephotos.bsky.social•150 days ago

Tag their actual staff, the safety account's mentions are unmonitored.

mightychimera.bsky.social•150 days ago

These people have made it clear they hate bluesky and its user base. They're not here to become users, they're only here to sabotage it and they say as much. Even if decency wasn't enough reason to ban them, bsky should just out of a basic sense of self preservation.

chester66red.bsky.social•150 days ago

They also indirectly admit they are here to troll and abuse us

succubelle.bsky.social•150 days ago

Directly. They outright state it

chester66red.bsky.social•150 days ago

Haven’t seen the ones who have and that doesn’t surprise me in the slightest, thanks for the clarification

vaiyt.bsky.social•144 days ago

"You get the audience you build, and if you don't build it, odds are you're going to end up with the dregs" - Dan Olson

northernash.bsky.social•151 days ago

It is very odd that websites nowadays feel the need to be "for everyone"

Back in the day it was absolutely fine and normal to be like "this website is for queers only" or "This is a website just for West Ham supporters"

A proactively pro-LGBT, anti-TERF social media site should be possible!

horse.twilightsparkle.space•149 days ago

Cohost was such a place! Unfortunately due to finances not working out, they had to shut down :(

datdemo.bsky.social•150 days ago

Social media sites are run by ppl who care more about profit than user experience.

clairebones.bsky.social•150 days ago

I think it's all about profit and shareholders and boards 😞 there are only so many West Ham supporters, but if you can claim your potential user base is every adult with internet access that pitches better & there aren't many companies who work to give us an intentionally queer friendly space

grissallia.bsky.social•151 days ago

Because all the cool folks want to hang out with us, and then all the fash want to come here to argue because the cool folks are here.

ajgrowsfood.bsky.social•150 days ago

Conservative and fascist engagement goes down when they don’t have libs to own. They literally don’t even consume their own content atp

mattvadnais.bsky.social•150 days ago

Because it’s not content. It’s talking points and maneuvers. Pick one western-Civ avatar bro to argue with and they all do the same things. Post your picture and imply soy/SSRI, etc. It’s a playbook not content and they already know it.

ajgrowsfood.bsky.social•150 days ago

I agree but I meant that even content can't hold their attention so the bad faith debate playbook is all they have for entertainment.

mattvadnais.bsky.social•150 days ago

For sure. I came off corrective when I meant AMEN and here’s part of why I think that’s true.

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