The only ones they're going to be saying that aren't Americans they are traitors and they have committed treason. And if they even say that we were just following orders is an omission of guilt as a co-conspirator and therefore have committed the crime of treason
No! They cannot hide behind their masks, or “we were just following orders”. If there is evidence that they carried out these criminal acts with extreme measures, as we are witnessing, then they should be made to pay!
No military member would do that!
Following unlawful orders, is something they are responsible for, as well as the person giving the order. They would personally be held responsible and they know that. So our all volunteer force does not just follow unlawful orders.
Great in theory, too bad the numbers say many active rank and file military members are trumpers with around 65% of vets supporting him. He's already shown he will pardon those who do violence in his name.
Yes, but it’s not just a theory, it has happened. Any military member who would follow an unlawful order against a civilian population would be held criminally liable. This example below happened in 2020.
We need to start separating the concepts of ‘our country’ and ‘our government’. We the people can create a government that suits our needs and get these fuckers out. We are not locked into shit. He’s already crossed the line.
It has always been fascinating to me that the KKK hid their identities with hoods and these ‘modern’ bigots wear red hats, fly rebel flags and hang scrotum from their tow hitches to signal their bigotry.
We were gutless should be the claim! The transparent destruction of the country by the rich, depraved and gluttonous and radical action not taken. Where are the Articles of Impeachment?
I’m learning a lot from the responses to this post. Apparently people such as myself had many misconceptions about the history of the WW2 concentration camp guards. I’m grateful to the posters with a better understanding than me.
There’s actually little evidence that Nazis or (most of) their collaborators were forced under threat of death to commit specifically war crimes. There’s only one documented case of such punishment. Most were reassigned. Exception being deserters or those refusing conscription. Very diff things.
There is being conflicted, but there is also discipline and having the morality and fortitude to do what is right and just. If you can't do that, you don't belong in a position of authority.
…And don’t let the last word said by a congress person or senator be: We were afraid of him. He would have retaliated against us. I’d would of lost my job, salary, health insurance. We were scared of him. WE WERE JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS
Honestly, if #boston250 doesn't get you guy on the streets nothing will. It's time to rise up, America. Isn't this why you allow unfettered gun ownership?
Any military peeps on here serving right now, please stand up when you're asked to violate the real oath you took. When you're asked. Matter of time...
It will be but they are taking advantage of those that harbor anxiety and enjoy being heavy handed. Unfortunate they don't see they are on the wrong side. Our democracy, through its liberal approach to opposing political cultures, leads itself to it's own demise. How were we to protect our freedom?
Americans don't just follow orders...we are too much a bunch of pains in the ass for that...that is for other kinds of folks...if you are "just following orders"...keep on moving because there is no place for you here
Saw the grossest thing in my 50501 chat today. 1 event has 14 speakers. 14 words.... with a glorifying oligarchy tour. https://www.walkawaycampaign.com/events
50 million people in the streets this weekend as a warm-up for 125 million in the streets on July 4. We need to pressure our elected leaders to stand up and impeach this regime.
When "Judge Dredd" came out. It was a true "Science Fiction : Sci-FI". Cause of course there could never be a person in control of such power(arresting and judging on the spot).
Now they ride the streets of America for REAL!
IT even has a "Simon says".
And people that don't know how to defend/coop.
I'm sorry sir, if it was up to me, i would,...
It's everywhere! I only work here. please I have kids.
Yes I understand your situation, but rules/protocol tell me to handle it like this,.
ICE people will tell you this too. The biggest snakes mankind let loose since the pen won from the sword.
"Diplomatic Immunity" or "Not accountable".
In a place where it is of the upmost importance to be held accountable?
How easy is it for parliament to vote for things? When you know it is very serious, you think twice before you let your self be triggered into something. or do something!
We're pretty much already there. I don't expect extreme violence until midterms roll around to give Trump an excuse to cancel them. He's never leaving peacefully because he'll die in prison. This way he can pardon himself and everyone else and white wash everything. Blame Biden. The works.
Sadly, looking at Germany, it took the country to suffer devastation and total destruction before it grew into a kind country. I hope the #USA doesn't descend that far. #Trump
Oh, but I might add Haitians are no longer eating dogs and public schools quit doing sex change operations during recess, so a lot of people are okay with it. Fox tells them we will enter the golden age.
That phrase makes me so happy I had hippie parents who lived through WW2 & the Depression, they lived through economic collapse & fascism, I grew up hearing all about how to live through it ….we will win this!
Every deed done with the words "We were just following orders." Was an unjustified deed done! You do not say that without having to justify your deeds to yourself & others & why try to justify your deeds if they were in the right or justifiable. "We followed our conscience." Is far easier to say! ✌️✊️
"The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order."
—source: https://bit.ly/4lB8n32
It's horrible. The country itself is all but a failed state (if it's not officialyet it will be soon); running on crypto and corruption. Surprise. Only the best...
We aren’t going to collapse, it might get dicey, there will be setbacks and defeats, but ultimately… Americans are a scrappy bunch and we are a free people.
If those are the last words of those committing crimes because they were directed to by their superior, then let them quickly learn: "Ignorance of the law is no defense". Also, following orders is no defense,but everyone knows that.
Too late. Don't you think that is what all those hooded goons rounding up migrants will say? Musk's incel brat pack? I can imagine both Leavitt and Bondi also rolling out that excuse.
Then we need to start getting comfortable with the words "violence" and "vigilantism" really quick. Bc that's the only way; there's no real way to lower the anchor negotiation of, "I want you and everyone like you subjugated if not dead". There's no common ground to be found. You can only fight back
Yes, and the challenge is to saturate local vultures with stories that make it possible to be seen as a hero to NOT follow orders! Being supported for standing your grounf. It is a local thing. It is on the relational, individual level. We can't wait for politicians to do this!
Not to mention all the 2nd amendment enthusiasts who claimed that no matter how many children were collateral damage, we needed guns to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government.
It's been under 90 days. Most people are catching up. By the time it gets to this point, it's upto the citizens to take care of. We've all seen the news on how dictatorships end. They always start the same way and end the exact same way. It's upto the citizens to deal with now. It upto you and me.
As true as that is, I have faith that more cherish this democracy than don't. I have faith that more refuse to live under the rule of any one man. I have faith that more despise racism. We've worked all our lives to have our legacy, security destroyed by this putz, I don't think so. I have faith.
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Following unlawful orders, is something they are responsible for, as well as the person giving the order. They would personally be held responsible and they know that. So our all volunteer force does not just follow unlawful orders.
Now I can see it live.
Wake up while you still have your FREEDOM!!!
ICE has to be held to the same standard as any law enforcement agency
dtrumpf is a liar and a traitor to our constitution.. saying we have foreign “gangs” infiltrating sovereignty of country.. proof?
Again, apologies for the language, Mrs. Bowers. Nothing but respect & love for your work. That's just how I feel.
i am sorry to say...it makes sense now
ICE employees applied for the job and could easily quit if they don’t like what they are being told to do.
Therefore, ICE employees are worse monsters than Nazis.
I’m sure many GI’s were conflicted about setting villages ablaze, but many were also scared and looking for revenge for dead friends.
War does things to people, I think it’s one of those you had to there kind of things, to really understand it.
A guy!
I mean, since dems can’t seem to muster the will to meaningfully do anything to stop it
Ask any social democrat in Germany about how they feel about the dark past of their country
https://www.walkawaycampaign.com/events
We're struggling, but I still have faith in democracy and my fellow Americans.
We are the Cavalry.
50 million people in the streets this weekend as a warm-up for 125 million in the streets on July 4. We need to pressure our elected leaders to stand up and impeach this regime.
Do not obey in advance.
Foxtrot Delta Tango
Hope it would not work in an international or world court
Now they ride the streets of America for REAL!
IT even has a "Simon says".
And people that don't know how to defend/coop.
It's everywhere! I only work here. please I have kids.
Yes I understand your situation, but rules/protocol tell me to handle it like this,.
ICE people will tell you this too. The biggest snakes mankind let loose since the pen won from the sword.
In a place where it is of the upmost importance to be held accountable?
How easy is it for parliament to vote for things? When you know it is very serious, you think twice before you let your self be triggered into something. or do something!
TOMORROW!
APRIL 19!
Please REPOST
FIND A LOCATION:
https://www.mobilize.us
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world
https://youtu.be/TZOoT8AbkNE?si=i3oPyGCYZ-vQw0W5
When arrested by ICE, she asked if she was safe.
One of them said
“We are not monsters.
We do what the government tells us.”
She was shipped off to a Louisiana prison.
Sounds like "We were just following orders" to me."
Your client shouldn’t have stopped reading European history at 1939, because we established as precedent that is not an affirmative defense in 1945.
Guilty, the sentence is death, and it will be carried out by John C. Woods ASAP.
I thought that phrase would be used more often than it has been.
Alas.
"The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order."
—source: https://bit.ly/4lB8n32
"We were just following orders, and making mistakes".
FUCK YOU
There are dozens more suits challenging other actions by this administration.
https://www.vox.com/politics/406236/lawsuit-trump-courts-judiciary-executive-order?utm_source=chatgpt.com
Only innocent people to be seen there.
- Wir haben es nicht gewusst -
with a startled look in their eyes...as they look at their empty bank accounts.
If the country collapses after that, it will be over my dead body.
I wasn't born free just to die a slave. I will fight in every necessary and logical way against tyranny.
Someday in the near future, the court will ask: When did you decide to become a cog in a totalitarian machine of terror?
"We were just flushing the ordure." 🚽💩
They are the natural descendants of Nazis
But, but...
The Republicans are more to blame than Trump because they failed their oaths of office