Framing Biden actively participating in a genocide as the Dems "not doing enough on Gaza" is a choice. People are just falling all over themselves to absolve Biden and Harris for their role in Harris's loss. - ThreadSky

marygillis.bsky.social • 30 days ago

Framing Biden actively participating in a genocide as the Dems "not doing enough on Gaza" is a choice.

People are just falling all over themselves to absolve Biden and Harris for their role in Harris's loss.

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zombiscribe.bsky.social•30 days ago

It's cowardly

ziggystarcow.bsky.social•29 days ago

By your logic, it is valid to have voted for a universe devouring multidimensional being that ran on the slogan "Vote For Me And I Will Devour The Universe" and now the universe is ending, and it's all Biden's fault.

robll.bsky.social•30 days ago

I mean GOP Vs Democrat FP wrt Israel is virtually identical but democrats massively misread the public mood (or didn't give a shit about it) on Israel's ethnic cleaning and collective punishment and the US supply of weapons for that purpose.

If you don't support it, use your vote. It's democracy.

robll.bsky.social•30 days ago

Actors not having a clue about politics example #16648537

marygillis.bsky.social•30 days ago

I personally think people should always vote for the lesser of two evils, but that doesn't mean ignoring the fact that they're still evil and they should be less evil.

marygillis.bsky.social•30 days ago

Politicians who support genocide and then lose elections because voters don't like that they support genocide are responsible for losing those elections, due to all their support for genocide. This is really fucking basic. This is how blame works.

eveningras.bsky.social•30 days ago

The number of democrats who REFUSE to see that their party needs to work on itself is insane to me. "Back the blue no matter who" is also cult thinking. We shouldn't even have to be saying "the lesser of two evils" but here we've been strategically placed.

marygillis.bsky.social•30 days ago

And by letting Biden & Harris off the hook for supporting a genocide, people who only blame the voters are basically ensuring that the one good thing that could've come of this, the Dems listening to voters & taking a firm stand against genocide (a stance both right & smart), isn't going to happen.

marygillis.bsky.social•30 days ago

If your takeaway from this election is that voters should vote for pro-genocide politicians & not that pro-genocide politicians should stop being pro-genocide, I really don't know what to say to you other than you seem to not have a problem with genocide. That's the conclusion I'm drawing about you.

marygillis.bsky.social•30 days ago

Also, just from a pure efficiency standpoint, convincing a few politicians to stop being genocidal is easier than convincing hundreds of thousands of voters who refuse to vote for genocidal politicians to change their minds and vote for genocidal politicians. That's where the energy should be going.

marygillis.bsky.social•30 days ago

I lost followers when I did a similar thread yesterday and that's part of why I did this thread today, because people who get furious at the idea that politicians shouldn't support genocide if they want to win elections are awful and I don't want them following me.
What a thing to get mad about.

minkysma.bsky.social•30 days ago

So you think we're gonna talk Trump out of his plan to scrape Gaza and turn it into the next Trump brand resort playground? He just signed to send even bigger bombs to Israel. Who are these politicians we're going to convince?? Not Trump's crazy crew. And that was obvious on election day.

minkysma.bsky.social•30 days ago

Fair enough. But what is the answer to the dilemma faced in this last election? Vote NO on the chance of a continued Biden policy (but a chance Harris might have opted to change course, been able to be pressured) vs Usher in Trump to accelerate/profit from same ethnic cleansing & turn US to fascism?

marygillis.bsky.social•30 days ago

In the last US election, I think the answer was to vote Harris as the lesser of two evils.
The answer going forward is for centrist politicians to not create the dilemma, by being less evil.

historysraven.bsky.social•30 days ago

Yeah, some great policies... Also, fascists were taking power while Biden was in office.
https://www.stephensemler.com/p/how-the-most-unpopular-us-president

baronnessmargy.bsky.social•30 days ago

Thank you for putting it so eloquently, Mary.

rainsurname.bsky.social•30 days ago

Personally, I think if you refuse to vote against someone who would rather send nukes to Gaza than send aid, who also openly promises genocide here at home, you care more about feeling like your hands are clean than you do about genocide.

indaindica.bsky.social•30 days ago

*not just supporting; ARMING it.

cpaone.bsky.social•29 days ago

Grownups understand binary choices.

AP:
Trump, a staunch supporter of Israel, also announced Saturday that he had directed the U.S. to release a supply of 2,000-pound bombs to Israel. Former President Joe Biden had imposed a hold due to concerns about their effects on Gaza’s civilian population.

jstephenclark.bsky.social•28 days ago

Good luck with four years of that desperate sanctimony as one group of marginalized people after another suffer for your arrogance.

ragouri.bsky.social•30 days ago

Yep. And that’s why choices have consequences. Don’t like what Biden did?
Elect Harris and hold her to a better standard.
Stay home and you get the privilege of knowing you helped her lose and now you can STFU.
What’s coming will also be on you. That’s the effect of choices in the real world.

tofufighting.bsky.social•30 days ago

One of the strangest beliefs many Democrats hold is that there's a thing called "holding a politician accountable" that is independent of whether you vote for that politician. Our system of government doesn't provide any mechanism for citizens to punish an elected official during their term.

ragouri.bsky.social•30 days ago

Fair point but not voting for someone assures you’ll never get any voice or seat at the table because you’ve done nothing for them. Vote for them and they will consider you a constituency. Or, don’t and they absolutely won’t care what you want.

tofufighting.bsky.social•30 days ago

That's observably not true here, though. These people won Biden the election in 2020, and yet both Biden and Harris explicitly told them to shut up in 2024, and Harris put more effort into courting Republicans. I still voted for Harris, but she really offered very little incentive to do so.

prankster36.bsky.social•29 days ago

There are ways to hold politicians accountable in office, but they involve getting loud and treating them antagonistically instead of shutting down all criticism because "the other guys are worse"

Politicians are supposed to be our employees and we need to give them bad performance reviews

beauvrolyk.bsky.social•30 days ago

I believe you're overlooking the vote every 2 years for 100% of the House of Representatives. If you want a referendum, once every two years is quite frequent.

Given the way things are going for the #DumpsterFire that is #Trump so far, he could easily end up losing both the Chambers in 2026.

mbletst.bsky.social•30 days ago

"Our system of government doesn't provide any mechanism for citizens to punish an elected official during their term."

"OH YEAH? WELL WHAT ABOUT VOTING AFTER THEIR TERM ENDS??"

sloanefragment.bsky.social•30 days ago

yeah that’s not how it works tho. that’s how you want it to work.

ragouri.bsky.social•30 days ago

Let’s sit back now and see how it works. When you lose, that’s all you can do.

pierrette1789.bsky.social•30 days ago

That’s not why they lost, though.

It wasn’t pro-Palestinian voters staying home, or mistakenly voting for Trump that did it. 😑

nthpower.bsky.social•30 days ago

https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling

badguitarist.bsky.social•30 days ago

And it worked out great for them didn’t it.

godoggo.bsky.social•30 days ago

I think you’re missing the point, with all the respect. You can oppose, strenuously, the Biden policies. But if you act on election day in a manner, that is helpful to Trump, you are making matters worse. Yes, worse than Biden. A vote for Biden does not mean you support his actions in Gaza.

marygillis.bsky.social•30 days ago

I think you're missing the point, which is that only blaming the voters and downplaying the role of the politicians is stupid. Be mad at the voters, sure, but be equally, if not more, mad at the politicians.

abribbon.bsky.social•30 days ago

You know, I scrolled back up and noticed you did include “only” and it put your thoughts in perspective for me. From the outside I agree, blaming voters squarely for apathy when the dems display apathy towards the livelihoods of their base is peak hubris.

abribbon.bsky.social•30 days ago

I think it’s also fair to say that a leaking garbage can full of old diapers should have won in a landslide against trump. But running on “not trump” twice was, once again, hubris

jonkeevy.bsky.social•30 days ago

The vibe reminds me so much of Nader in 2000. The Democrat leadership cannot fathom making policy concessions to their left. So instead they take them for granted.

godoggo.bsky.social•30 days ago

No one downplayed the role of the politicians. I specifically mentioned Biden. But who to blame for what happened on Election Day? Voters. That’s by definition.

jginsburg.bsky.social•30 days ago

Harris literally went out there and told progressives "Don't vote for me, I'll pick up two conservatives for every one of you I lose" and proved that no, all she did was lose progressives

jacklikesfilms.bsky.social•30 days ago

No, this is fucking nonsense. If a party doesn't give people a reason to vote for them, that's on them.

caode.bsky.social•29 days ago

You should be shooting the evils on the street, not voting for them. The fuck?

asseenoncctv.bsky.social•30 days ago

i like that you said this specifically and people are still up in this thread telling you you were wrong for not saying it

eclectictastessa.bsky.social•29 days ago

The only way to drag politicians leftward in a two-party system is to continually vote for the side that's more left-leaning. Letting the right win will, by definition, push the left-leaning party further to the right, because you send the message that right-wing policies win.

elnordon.bsky.social•30 days ago

You are smart enough to do that but a lot of people aren’t and the fact Harris didn’t treat this issue with more gravitas definitely cost the election - and she should have known better

bennihana70.bsky.social•30 days ago

But if one didn’t actively work for the “lesser evil”, you can take your pontifications and shove them.

One doesn’t get to aid the greater evil and then pretend they don’t own it. Pretending to do good by aiding the greater evil is not something I will respect.

r3d00c.bsky.social•30 days ago

genocide joe caused the genocide

bennihana70.bsky.social•29 days ago

Then you’re on with Trump. Don’t try to blame anyone else for your decision.

layer8problem.bsky.social•30 days ago

The issue isn't that they didn't do enough; it's what they did.

It would have been better if they had done nothing at all. Being a bystander to a crime is better than aiding it.

absurdreality.bsky.social•30 days ago

worth mentioning he also doesn't refer to them as Palestinians hmm

chuck-e-jesus.bsky.social•26 days ago

Harris didn't write policy. And every aspect of American life is worse now thanks to you "both sides are bad" people.

Take some accountability. Grow up.

annetarsia.bsky.social•30 days ago

No words. Just sadness and pity.

roscommunist.bsky.social•29 days ago

To be fair he did participate in it so he and his legacy own that. His bellicosity was there for all to see. It cost him that and more importantly the lives of tens of thousands of innocents.

thehuckshow.bsky.social•30 days ago

This also happened in 2016 when voters were upset with the Democratic Party for picking Hillary. I know it’s a night/day comparison, but some voters want to feel powerful, and staying home from voting makes a difference. In this case, it hurts us all.

boyobcorgi.bsky.social•30 days ago

Unfortunately, being above voting for the lesser of two evils; leaves us with MORE EVIL.

bajmihal.bsky.social•30 days ago

I had the impression that he was an ok person, looks like I was wrong.

rodiohead.bsky.social•29 days ago

The older generation just refuses to physically have to do anything about this, they're annoyed they can't just guilt people into voting for corrupt war hawks for an "acceptable" amount of oppression. Love his work and all that but he's annoying. Hamill too.

d33pr0ck.bsky.social•29 days ago

He doesn't seem to appreciate this image going around. 🤷‍♂️

d33pr0ck.bsky.social•29 days ago

Celebrity Clinton Shill Patton Oswalt is good friends with Nazi cartoonist A. Wyatt Man and white supremacist writer Jim Goad.

jontybeeswax.bsky.social•30 days ago

"Yeah, we didn't like you being a genocidalist, so we're going to make sure that the other genocidalist gets elected and fuck up the rest of the world at the same time. That'll show 'em."

jontybeeswax.bsky.social•29 days ago

To expand on this, if you didn't vote for Harris, who did you think was going to get elected? The real problem here is the two party system that doesn't give voters choice. Within that system, though, you have to vote for the lesser of two evils. Or start a revolution.

Because that's all there is.

pixelatedboat.bsky.social•30 days ago

Gaza already got destroyed! With bombs Joe Biden sent! I’m losing my mind

carlmarxman.bsky.social•30 days ago

There are still Palestinians left alive there. Apparently that means there's still destruction to be done.

Sigh.

Note that you're not wrong and I'm not arguing with you, just that according to certain people Gaza is not destroyed enough.

tommysalami420.bsky.social•29 days ago

Lesser of two evils? You moron if both choices are evil we need a revolution

bachouttapocket.bsky.social•29 days ago

The Dems do not have a great track record of listening to their voters when they're being critical. They basically campaigned on "c'mon guys, it's Donald Trump, you gotta vote for us to stop him!" for damn near 12 years and are shocked that people tuned it out.

malort.bsky.social•29 days ago

“Fascism or oligarchy-light. Pick one, ya’ll. You only have these 2 choices!”

Fact is, the voices of the nation have been ignored for about 30-40 years as money & power consolidated.

infiniteklaxon.bsky.social•30 days ago

I would bet a majority of voters across the spectrum have no idea what’s going on is Gaza, who’s responsible, or who is enabling each side. I can’t take seriously any analysis that claims this moved the needle at all in the election.

waluigiyaoi.bsky.social•30 days ago

I don’t know if I’ve seen this much dick sucking of someone who lost an election other than maybe trump 2020

johnbrojomojo.bsky.social•29 days ago

@taradeenihan.bsky.social I have nothing but the utmost respect for you but it was in poor taste to repost this.

johnbrojomojo.bsky.social•29 days ago

@radiodeadair.com

ceilck.bsky.social•30 days ago

It still remains true that it's always easier to push lefty politicians more left than it is to push right-wing politicians left, even when both of those choices are terrible.

Also, genocide isn't the only reason they lost, and the entire loss belongs to them.

That doesn't mean voters were smart.

mofhealy.bsky.social•30 days ago

The Dems ran right of 2004 Bush. They weren’t going to be pushed left.

mr-pig.bsky.social•28 days ago

And also there's no indication that leftists actually withheld their votes or did so in sufficient numbers to make a difference. It's a ~☆Myth☆~

stevo5567.bsky.social•29 days ago

Well, yes. If they had a capacity for accountability and reflection they wouldn’t be Democrats.

kingknownothing.bsky.social•30 days ago

"Voters" is such an easy strawman; a big faceless mass that one can blame everything on instead of holding people who need to be accountable. No nuance, they can make up a person to be angry at and say it was their fault. These people will keep pointing at others until this happens again and again.

teflonslinky.bsky.social•30 days ago

"Was Gaza not being destroyed under Biden"

peterfobian.bsky.social•30 days ago

His argument is particularly insane to me being that, at least for the time being, we're in a ceasefire that can reasonably be attributed to Trump.

loomdoop.bsky.social•30 days ago

"Didn't do enough" is such a weird framing for spending $60 billion dollars on dropping 75,000 tons of bombs on an area the size of Fresno, ending international law, and going to war in four countries to shield a genocide from intervention.

indaindica.bsky.social•30 days ago

It's crazy how expendable entire populations of people are, to neo-Libs.

Fuck the whole lot of them...

bryteline.bsky.social•30 days ago

Indeed. It's hard to unsee "necropolitics" once you encounter the concept.

historysraven.bsky.social•30 days ago

The kicker is this is the ONLY time he has directly mentioned Gaza. There was only one other post he made which said "Awesome" while quote posting a story about the Red Crescent.

drjaybee.bsky.social•30 days ago

Odd how I never see as much condemnation for the ACTUAL perpetrator of this genocide. What it that all about? How many posts have you made about Netanyahu?

jarlent.bsky.social•30 days ago

Nobody is demanding we vote for him

drjaybee.bsky.social•30 days ago

So this about you then? Is that what it is.

jarlent.bsky.social•30 days ago

We have no ability to influence Netanyahu

We do have the ability, at least in theory, to influence the Democrats

drjaybee.bsky.social•30 days ago

I'm sure Trump is delighted at this news. Congratulations.

jarlent.bsky.social•30 days ago

You think Trump is happy that people are trying to tell the Dems how to win elections? lol

jarlent.bsky.social•30 days ago

???

jeanlucbacardi.bsky.social•29 days ago

No, it's about wanting the party that's demanding our vote to not be complicit in genocide. Try to keep up

drjaybee.bsky.social•29 days ago

But the other guy demanding your vote is WORSE. Do you think Biden would be phoning Jordan to take people out of the way so they could ‘clear up’?

jarlent.bsky.social•29 days ago

Now it's about Trump? You were just talking about Bibi

jarlent.bsky.social•29 days ago

I don't think Biden would do anything when Netanyahu made the same phone call

jeanlucbacardi.bsky.social•29 days ago

No, we just spent over a year watching Biden enabling their deaths, we know he doesn't care if Israel kills them all and would even be happy to help

asseenoncctv.bsky.social•30 days ago

im not voting for netanyahu, if he runs again he can shove it

drjaybee.bsky.social•30 days ago

Thanks for letting everybody know

daftcunt.bsky.social•30 days ago

Maybe you haven’t been paying attention? Too busy cosplaying an an antifascist online

drjaybee.bsky.social•29 days ago

Harsh 😭

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