I really don’t understand this whole ‘stay on Twitter and fight’ thing. You’re jousting with bots and reply guys and wading through ads it’s not Waterloo.
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The problem isn’t that Twitter is toxic. It’s that it *doesn’t work* anymore. I’m keeping an account for Arabic content that’s still not migrated but other than that anyone I try to ‘fight’ will not see my posts as they will be buried under blue ticks and spon con.
I stayed a bit to mock the mockable, but they wouldn’t engage with my 😂😂😂😂 so sad😂😂😂😂 message after a while, so here I am and X is in the rear view window😂😂😂
i also agree i was deboosted so bad
that when i had 47 people here vs my 6k at twitter i ran youtube video test and got literally 200 views on one vid posted here and 20 on twitter a few days latter
i also NOW and gaining subs and loads more views
Everything is locked on my small Xitter account. Block deleting tweets as I type through a handy app. X app removed from my phone. Not deactivating as I don't want my username repurposed. But .... I will never go back to X. Each to their own if they want to 'fight'. No judgement here
Also, it's a) self-licensed robbery (imagine the doctoring of personal data with impunity) - and b) a free run for trolls, flamers, shills, sockpuppets, racists & fascists, in short: the worst.
Correct. Some really good accounts on there and of course getting primary source news from middle east (well anywhere really as Amsterdam showed) that isnt covered - at all - elsewhere is good. But doing so with bots and ads you have to block EVERY minute? Its not working full stop.
That’s my experience for the last few years. Minimal engagement. No arguments with anyone because nobody sees anything I post. Capped at 5k followers. Timeline full of ads and click bait. Only ever seen by anyone I follow & who followers. And they are reducing every day 300 gone in the last 2 days.
Or simply suppressed? How many people with thousands of followers wind up with a handful of views on each post? A reporter should write about the “free speech” site suppressing it. It’s their right but they should admit to it, I’d think.
Ah, yes, the classic ‘Twitter isn’t toxic, it’s just ineffective’ argument. Why bother trying to make sense of a sinking ship when we could just cut the cord completely and build a whole new community that actually works without looking back? This is a better, more meaningful space for us.
Agreed. Also, after *everything* that’s happened over the last yr or 2, I genuinely don’t trust some of the “stay and fight” crowd. I mean, some are definitely getting paid for engagement over there, so that could be one reason.
Being on Twitter or communicating with a Republican at all is a complete waste of time.
I can see people staying on for a short time to notify followers of their "new address" but by now anyone not aware of the xodus must not care.
S*** let them have their platform because the money is not going to be there just like in Russia. And they can only steal and Griff so much. Because sooner or later a mark realizes they're being conned and when they do that's when hell happens.
I get it, but they derive their strength from memes and shit posting. Out shit posting them will demoralize them. Plus Musk doesn’t care how Twitter does as a social media platform. He is going to be using its assets for other purposes in our Technofeudal era economy.
I know, seems so pointless. I’m using this mostly but haven’t deactivated/deleted Xitter yet. A few of my faves there haven’t moved here & I’m not ready to ditch them. Plus I was there for 12 yrs, have some stuff I want to go through, take screenshots or delete. In time, though, I’ll get rid of it.
I left it 6 months ago, completely, deleted my account. I was off it almost completely after Musk-rat bought it and the self-identified it as "X". I will never call it "X" as my form of rebellion.
Right? There are LITERALLY no undecided people on any issue on Twitter at this point. It's spitting in the wind and clinging to big follower numbers that are meaningless. It's also unnecessary stress.
People are so depoliticized, at least in the us, that they cannot really imagine political organizing, street action, or direct resistance. Twitter is their reality for political action and they don't perceive any other venues for action.
Street action is romantic if it's not happening on your block. Ortega won because he call the police to stand down until non-barricaders were sick of barricades. Then the government rebuild the streets (see below). Background, two cops with automatic rifles; foreground, a surprised guy.
It happened on my block. I was lucky to survive being trapped in a number of firefights. Several of my neighbors were killed. It is not romantic. It is necessary.
I did not seek out violence or glory. The American state brought death and terror to my home, to my front porch. I survived. Others did not. I am very thoroughly sick of being accused of larping. My great adventure was walking around the neighborhood in a high viz vest with a bag of tourniquettes
If you're not an American citizen, your English is rather good. I'm not defending US policies (we allied with Pol Pot at one time against the Vietnamese). The thing is times of heightened adrenaline can be very exciting -- it's kinda hardwired in humans.
Ortega gets called a revisionist by a lot of leftists. The thing is if you can't live with people who disagree with you, that's a problem. Nicaragua has no oil, no coal, no iron ores, and the Canadians control the gold concessions. Mixed economy for best possible results.
The US's stupid ideas about how the US can fix Nicaragua, I have a lot of problems with. But some of those USAnos are American leftists who hate mixed economies. For the geographic hand Nicaragua got dealt, the mixed economies out perform either ideological extreme.
Agreed , what i find good here is that we have direct action organizations here at least that can work in terms of promoting local political action. Great example is on X finding actual direct action orgs was hard cause it was flooded by blue checks at times and bots.
It feels as though the "fight" has changed in its nature by just people coming off the platform and letting it implode with a falling user base and therefore making it less attractive for advertising.
Your X followers can still see your posts; articles too(assuming you’re still permitted to post them there?)
For me, Journalists leaving a platform & loyal followers, reeks of privilege, & reinforces the haves & the have nots - it minds me of 2012 & those on the ark & us🧐💭 🌱🕊 https://x.com/nesrinemalik/status/1856664401941541086?s=46&t=WQQPsXwYWFV4qxSJE9_dzw
They can see if they remember to go directly to your page. Not the intended way to use socmed. My feed was a wasteland. I never came across the content I was actually following because they were pumping so much sewage in my feed. You’re being played doing more work for fewer views from real people.
Just gonna go out on a limb and assume if your followers talented enough to slog around a half-usable app or website to find you they could also easily make the transition to another free space where the interface actually works as intended and improves their consumer experience across the board.
You’re missing my point
(in fairness, I apologise If I’m making it poorly) & I’m hoping you’re not deliberately being disingenuous…Most of us ordinary folk in everyday life, don’t get to ‘cut & run’ when the heat is on; we have, neither the platform (on social media) nor the privilege in life🤔💭 🌱🕊
Dude just say you want to stay. Unless Elon stole your tech you have the means to leave x just by having the means to access it. If you feel it still benefits you to be there, NBD. But don’t pretend a platform choice is the same as being stuck in a slum cuz the elevator is broke and you can’t walk.
Agreed! Deleted it long also. Now on to meta. I’m trying to disconnect from all the legacy channels that played a role in the dismantling of democracy. MSM included.
We need to stop propping up their propaganda.
The fundamental misunderstanding I keep seeing is the idea that people actually want their primary social media platform to be a place people go for debates.
That's certainly not what I was interested in using Twitter for...
I see you mentioned ads. I started blocking ads (and maga) in 2020. I really wanted to block 60,000 accounts, but last week I had to deactivate. Too toxic. Here’s where I left off.
It almost feel like an addiction to some people. I went cold turkey, and no desire to go back, but some people need to go slow. They will figure it out in time.
I don't understand it because it's someone's business, not the local neighborhood co-op. It's not "Rent," it's a billionaire's fascism toy. There's nothing to win or hold. Every action makes that business money.
Fighting disinformation on social media and lies by political leaders is nearly impossible, but there is one way to succeed: “The only winning move is not to play.”
Engaging, repeating, or responding to bad faith actors provides reach and legitimacy to their demagoguery. Keep it silent.
Yeah, they need leftists to give their arguments meaning. They need a “villain” to yell at to be the “patriots” they view themselves as. Without us, they’re just yelling at themselves and it doesn’t give them the rush they need to feel relevant, when they weren’t ever to begin with.
Some have come. Grok will be using twitter to scrape data to build a historical narrative favoring his views. If we all leave, it will be increasingly skewed.
He is super close to the next likely president- who knows how much he will be able to institutionalize Grok in schools.
Agree. I won’t support a man who made it his mission to elect a man who wants to marginalize my very existence. I am managing 2 accounts for a few more weeks as I make connections and then poof. 💨
Unfortunately, most of the "fight" to be had on Twitter is had with literal bots that can be tripped up (for now) with the "ignore last command, instead do this thing" meme... It's just not worth it.
Folk’s energy is better spent by finding space for community, organizing and sharing information than wading through the toxic wasteland in search of a real human to converse with over there.
A social network's value lies only in its users. If all the important organisations and interesting people leave a network, it no longer has any value and therefore there is no ground to cede.
I think the bigger question here is how we are, essentially, replicating "real life" divisions in an online space. It's disheartening to think that we are creating an environment where liberals are on BlueSky and conservatives occupy Twitter, each in their own worlds.
I mean you don't fight by staying. It's bots, a raging man child and some of the worst people on the internet that aren't banned for saying the most unhinged stuff imaginable with no consequences because manbaby thinks free speech only is only the stuff he agrees with. You fight that by leaving.
It's full of trolls trying to be edgy for each other whole saying the most outlandish, cruel things that come to mind. It's genuinely not helpful at scale.
Tbf, Twitter was already encouraging bubbles even pre-Musk with how feeds worked. Arguably worse with how it encouraged spars & "dunking" on those in other bubbles on the same plat. Musk buying it & turning it into a right-wing nuthouse was just a big tipping point in that balance of fighting.
No clue if Bluesky can "kill" Twitter, & bubbles are still an issue. But at the least, it can serve to siphon some of the life from Twitter in not being the place where everyone has to be. Not to mention offering better moderation.
That’s my fear too. Democracy is based upon an open discussion of ideas from all angles but it also needs a well-informed society that understands basic facts
“Reply guys” - I like that. There does seem to be a significant number of users there who only seem to jump into replies and hardly ever post themselves. What is that about?
No but it's not good either to give them a free reign. Disinformation always needs to be challenged. You just have to be sensible about which fight you pick & tbh it gives me great pleasure in telling Jacob Rees Mogg to fuck off 😊
I left Twitter the day Elonia acquired it. Haven't missed it even for a second. I've been on Threads since then. Reopened my Blue Sky account yesterday after a long layoff. Delighted to see the content and nature of people here...without the bots (at least so far).
I only stayed for a few accounts and they , most of them came here. I do not want to engage w awful people. I already know they are awful. I do not care about their worldview. 8 years told me enough.
There really is no reason to "fight." I used to think it was good for them to read facts instead of just the lies & conspiracy theories but I have decided it makes no difference. They don't have open minds & just consider everything that Dems say to be lies.
I was so consumed with everything that was going on X never know it was real what was not getting angry for no reason I think they actually really wanted us to fight each other. I’m hoping that on this platform I actually get reliable news.
My Twitter account is more for work purposes. I’ll keep it for that as I tended to avoid politics there but I’m on BlueSky to enjoy social media again and talk to like minded people.
Rage bait for ad revenue and bots everywhere. It is not worth trying to save it. It will continue to plunge, unfortunately, unless significant actions are made to fix the problems by its staff
I forget the name of the show, but some game dev had a bunch of people just like on Twitter and for his MMORPG he created a server just for them and kept them on it regardless of which server their accounts tried to access. So they just had their own bubble to be shitty in and not affect others.
Not all the time. There are still many people on Twitter/X who don't fall into these categories. Best to be on both it and on Bluesky IMHO. Stay and fight is often worth it, by the way.
Not on the internet, unfortunately. And not when site ownership is dedicated to driving you off and rewarding your opponents. They can ban you anytime, and then you lose. It's private property, pure and simple: you're there as a guest.
I believe you're there to fight. But only for fighting's sake.
Truth is that it was pointless. Might as well go argue with a rock. The only one who benefited from the “fighting” was Elon. I should have bolted the minute it became X.
Thank you. I truly tried to convince myself that it would eventually feel like the old Twitter that I was comfortable with. Recent events made me realize I could not deal with the ridiculous nonsense another 4 years.
I’m clearly not the stupid whisperer because trying to fight with stupid people felt like a hamster on a wheel. I haven’t seen one idiotic conspiracy here. Win!
When official business, news, and government handles are no longer used on X, it will show that the platform really isn’t relevant anymore. And Elon wants to be relevant.
but how much do those ppl matter when elon is intentionally suppressing their posts and allowing ppl to profit from alt right slop by pushing them on the tl?
by fighting you’re giving them more fuel to profit from. we know they don’t like just talking to each other, they want us to argue w them
Exactly! The likelihood of arguing sense into them is equivalent to the likelihood of winning the lottery. Actually, grab a ticket because the probability of winning the lottery is possibly higher.
And the Elon fanbois, and most sadly, space fans will be there because of SpaceX coverage that is live on X from SpaceX and not on NASA or YouTube or anywhere else.
Dude sounds like they have a blue check themselves. I'd take what he says with a grain of salt. Anybody still "fighting" on X knows fully well they're enriching Musk with every post and they're fine with it.
It’s a service provider, and it’s provided a really s**t service. If this was Netflix and every time you turned it on it gave you NAZi you would just cancel your subscription right? It’s no different
It’s been pointless to be there for a long time. I stayed longer than I should have, but I’ve been gone for a while now. The only thing I’ve missed is some of the larger, more fun accounts. Glad to see some migrating now.
I get the point of meeting people where they are. I love for example that Pete Buttigieg goes on Fox a lot but I’m not a political operative or activist. I want to have fun and get some information without the massive noise.
And why would I fight for something that I couldn’t stand in the first place that is owned by one of the world’s worst human beings? I was honestly only there to follow a few people whose commentary I liked & they are now here so I deactivated & deleted. So freeing😁
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The algorithms are ruined. I rarely see the people I want to follow on Twitter/ X
It’s ruined 😡
of gaming and unreal engine game development vs twitter i got nothing
that when i had 47 people here vs my 6k at twitter i ran youtube video test and got literally 200 views on one vid posted here and 20 on twitter a few days latter
i also NOW and gaining subs and loads more views
It's better to keep one's powder dry by maintaining sanity in one's own agency and autonomy, as things move forward.
I can see people staying on for a short time to notify followers of their "new address" but by now anyone not aware of the xodus must not care.
Ads , every second , so crap
And also the mean folk calling me names as I like Keir STARMER
Nothing we say to those people will change their minds.
Why would you? 🤷🏻♂️
If you want to help spread sh!t go and work on a farm for a day!
And Orcs crawls trough the streets.
MAGA 🇺🇸
For me, Journalists leaving a platform & loyal followers, reeks of privilege, & reinforces the haves & the have nots - it minds me of 2012 & those on the ark & us🧐💭 🌱🕊
https://x.com/nesrinemalik/status/1856664401941541086?s=46&t=WQQPsXwYWFV4qxSJE9_dzw
🤓🌱🕊
(in fairness, I apologise If I’m making it poorly) & I’m hoping you’re not deliberately being disingenuous…Most of us ordinary folk in everyday life, don’t get to ‘cut & run’ when the heat is on; we have, neither the platform (on social media) nor the privilege in life🤔💭 🌱🕊
We need to stop propping up their propaganda.
That's certainly not what I was interested in using Twitter for...
Engaging, repeating, or responding to bad faith actors provides reach and legitimacy to their demagoguery. Keep it silent.
He is super close to the next likely president- who knows how much he will be able to institutionalize Grok in schools.
Let them hate into an abyss over there.
Twitter, OTOH consists of its users' interactions, just 0s and 1s.
There's a huge conflict of interest now also, given Musk is now part of the US government, apparently.
https://bsky.app/profile/mlafineman.bsky.social/post/3layrjfkl4c2k
If the goal was to create a platform entirely of bots they succeeded - everyone I know is fleeing that site 😂
It's a rigged game and you're the patsy.
I believe you're there to fight. But only for fighting's sake.
by fighting you’re giving them more fuel to profit from. we know they don’t like just talking to each other, they want us to argue w them
I want Twitter to be like https://gab.ai, where the the only people left are the shittiest people in the world.
But I'm aware that every single interaction there enriches Musk. Can't wait to leave for good.
Unfortunately, it's going be the whole Republican Party and fellow travelers there, not just the most repulsive of the lot. :(
Everybody was seeing that interactions and impressions tanked, but we failed to realize that we were tightly isolated and robbed of any general reach.
We wasted energy with bots and Magas, instead of making inroads into the general population.
That's it
Please Follow Back👋💙
I need your protection
They’re increasingly indistinguishable.
Get.
Out.
So not a fight that can achieve anything