Conservative writer for @nationalreview.bsky.social has zero affection for Rumeysa Öztürk but slams her arrest and detention. Let’s uplift conservatives when they oppose outrageous Trump actions. - ThreadSky

ericcolumbus.bsky.social • 2 days ago

Conservative writer for @nationalreview.bsky.social has zero affection for Rumeysa Öztürk but slams her arrest and detention.

Let’s uplift conservatives when they oppose outrageous Trump actions.

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petrarca.bsky.social•2 days ago

"Let’s uplift conservatives when they oppose outrageous Trump actions." Fair to say, we won't ever have to worry about that happening.

spankyq.bsky.social•1 day ago

He’s wrong about this: “No visitor or immigrant truly has a First Amendment right to free speech until… after he has taken his formal oath of citizenship.”

See Bridges v Wixon: “once an alien lawfully enters and resides [here] he becomes invested with the rights guaranteed by the Constitution.”

mrbeerd.bsky.social•2 days ago

When you have to treat a conservative like a toddler and praise them for doing the right thing.

reaganconservative.bsky.social•2 days ago

The largest coalition in Democratic history would be if they assume the mantle for unashamedly standing up for Constitutional rights, limits on executive authority, and defending American hegemony.

They are doing some of that but a full party thrust on that front would be unstoppable.

ericcolumbus.bsky.social•2 days ago

This is where we are now. Not good.👇👇

nanswak.bsky.social•2 days ago

Awful 😣

prasad.bsky.social•2 days ago

Or a British national who is an editor of a medical journal (say @nejm.org or @jama.com) and writes an editorial that criticizes the cuts to USAID and PEPFAR

sanetxn.bsky.social•2 days ago

davidfavstar.bsky.social•2 days ago

No shade, but it's interesting how the elitists who control the democratic party are always interested in "uplifting conservative voices" who mildly criticize Trump, but hate progressives (would argue big reason they lost in 2024)

thucydidesmt.bsky.social•2 days ago

Like, nothing will change if it’s just us chanting and playing our bongos to the choir. We need people not like us to see the problems. They’re not going to see everything our way but any time a conservative states opposition to something Trump does is actually great.

fucktheory.bsky.social•2 days ago

This op-ed says “Lawbreakers should get a one way ticket home” so as an immigrant fuck this essay and fuck you for celebrating fascists for being just SLIGHTLY less fascist than the other fascist. About what I’d expect from an Obama appointee.

mimilove58.bsky.social•2 days ago

We should all speak out against this tyranny with 1 voice. Her views may not be mine, but if this attack on 1A is allowed to stand we will ALL be rendered voiceless. Trump & Muskrat are coming for speech and press in not so subtle ways. It’s time to stop the tide. #ProtectFreeSpeech #Protect1A

richge.bsky.social•2 days ago

Yes, props to NR writer for some worthy points; yet, not too enthralled with his condescending horseshit.

jsherman39.bsky.social•2 days ago

Why can’t you wait for the facts?
Every visa/green card applicant is asked: do you support or have you ever supported a terrorist organization.
Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations that have murdered 100s of Americans.
SJP is funded by these terrorists.
Did she lie on her application?

xeynon.bsky.social•2 days ago

If the facts are on the administration's side, then they need to fucking present them in court. Not arrest and disappear her and say "trust us, bro".

Do you not understand how due process and the presumption of innocence work?

jsherman39.bsky.social•2 days ago

Yup. I sure do. What I don't understand is why so many people are defending terrorist supporters before they know the facts.

xeynon.bsky.social•2 days ago

No, you don't, because there is zero evidence that Ozturk is a "terrorist supporter". You can read the op-ed she's in trouble for co-authoring yourself. It doesn't even mention Hamas much less express support for it. This is the ONLY thing she's been accused of.

https://www.tuftsdaily.com/article/2024/03/4ftk27sm6jkj

jsherman39.bsky.social•2 days ago

SJP is funded by Hamas

xeynon.bsky.social•2 days ago

Even if that's true it's not evidence she's a terrorist supporter.

You're flailing.

Just admit that your view of free speech rights is contingent on whether you find the opinions of the person exercising them objectionable. It would be more honest.

xeynon.bsky.social•2 days ago

You're either ignorant of the facts of this case or you're fine with abrogating the constitutional rights of people you disagree with. If it's the first, you need to educate yourself before opining on it. If it's the second, you don't understand or value civil liberties and shouldn't pretend you do.

kohakusunwalker.bsky.social•2 days ago

Because without those facts there's an assumption of innocence?

Come on, my dude. This is embarrassing.

pellattguitar.bsky.social•1 day ago

I was never asked that question.Of the HUNDREDS of questions, interviews, official paperwork you have to submit and the numerous interviews and personal appointments,they (at Homeland Security) can pretty much suss you up in the long amount of time and paperwork it takes to get permanent residency.

veracitas.bsky.social•2 days ago

Yes, that will help them stiffen their spine for next time perhaps.
We can't just cancel due process and shrug like half of WTP do.

globewithaface.bsky.social•2 days ago

NRO was dragging their feet but they made it.

jaydeedouble.bsky.social•2 days ago

“larded with gratuitous quotes from James Baldwin — typically forgettable left-wing juvenilia, in other words.”

Jesus…. 80 years later and they’re still furious little incels about Baldwin making their little racist founder look like a racist little fool.

brooklynkid53bskys.bsky.social•2 days ago

April 5th
show up for HandsOff! rally

There is probably a rally near you

It helps, a little

relentlessyapp.bsky.social•1 day ago

Still way too many caveats for a scene out of the Soviet Union or China.

carlcecere.bsky.social•2 days ago

Heck yes.

michaelvitamin.bsky.social•2 days ago

Look at what the national review can’t say

jmeijers.bsky.social•2 days ago

Coalition building is essential for resisting fascism even when you don’t agree with everyone on every topic.

brooklynkid53bskys.bsky.social•2 days ago

100% coalition building

but pretty chary of NR as an ally, given NR's history

jmeijers.bsky.social•2 days ago

I get it, I do but we need as broad of a tent as possible to fight Trump. We don’t have to agree on everything.

I can’t get out of my own lane regarding my advocacy because all of my time is being poured into advocacy regarding homelessness to do anything about student’s getting snatched up.

brooklynkid53bskys.bsky.social•2 days ago

you are right
just hard to swallow being an ally of NR

jmeijers.bsky.social•2 days ago

Agree. It is unsettling at best.

jmeijers.bsky.social•2 days ago

That’s the point of all of this. Divide folks so they can’t work together collectively. The more broad the tent, the more collective action is taken.

tiarala.bsky.social•2 days ago

God I hate that you’re right.

jmeijers.bsky.social•2 days ago

Me too.

georgeabington.bsky.social•2 days ago

Just cool it down before starting building coalitions with people who voted for Trump, still support 99.9999% of what he does, but once in a blue moon express tiny bit of concern of what he's doing. No, I won't ally with these mfers.

tiarala.bsky.social•2 days ago

Clearly. Lines need to be drawn but I think it’s worth looking toward people where there can be *some* shared values. Think my trans friends shouldn’t exist? Fuck off. But there are some areas that could be greyer? We have to be open to looking for them.

georgeabington.bsky.social•2 days ago

No doubt, if there are real remorseful Trump voters then they're welcome. But the author of this NRO article is one of the worst. I certainly won't be allied with him just because he barely criticized Trump on one issue but supports him on everything else.

inklake.com•2 days ago

Yup.

https://bsky.app/profile/inklake.com/post/3lljiz7nnos2y

stevevaughan.bsky.social•1 day ago

Eh, this guy has a long way to go

pazooter.bsky.social•2 days ago

rundog.bsky.social•2 days ago

they voted for project 2025 tho

jacklbrand.bsky.social•2 days ago

"They are violating peoples' civil rights?!? We did not see this coming all those decades we pushed our rightwing agenda!"

- National Review

scocca.bsky.social•2 days ago

The author, though, somehow believes that the freedoms enumerated in the Bill of Rights only apply to citizens, which is inconsistent with both the language of the Bill of Rights and legal precedent.

steveknapp.bsky.social•2 days ago

We respect law, when the law respects our needs. Whenever legality clashes with morality, legality should be opposed and morality should be upheld.
Goparaju Ramachandra Rao

cliff-d-w.bsky.social•2 days ago

So where are the protests from the so-called Libertarians?

I guess Rand Paul slept in late

lmcnell.bsky.social•2 days ago

justsendit.bsky.social•2 days ago

This writer is incorrect about visitors not having free speech rights under the law. Those rights are *well established* under 1st amendment jurisprudence - the 1st amendment does not just apply to citizens.

georgeabington.bsky.social•2 days ago

Exactly, but Eric wants us to ignore this most important fact because the author who is a garbage Trumper expressed his concern about what's going on so we need to praise him for doing this. This fucking niceties and civility that the elitists want us to follow is one main reason we got Trump.

summergotschall.bsky.social•2 days ago

He says her detention and arrest are legal and non-citizens do not have a right to free speech under the First Amendment. Both wrong

savannahcat.bsky.social•2 days ago

Unfortunately National Review has no credibility in the conservative movement anymore. The rank and file is all on the Trump train.

firstweet.bsky.social•2 days ago

"I don't like deporting people because of their speech but it's totally legal" is a level of opposition to Trump that doesn't seem worthy of uplift.

ryangodfrey.com•2 days ago

The State Department has the legal authority to revoke any visas they like, though. There may well only be practical and moral arguments against it.

firstweet.bsky.social•2 days ago

I think you're right, but I'm not arguing legality. I'm arguing about uplifting this kind of conservative voice.

Liz Cheney voting to impeach Trump was opposition to Trump. Uplifting her voice has not helped anyone so far.

adistantdream.bsky.social•2 days ago

Nobody "uplifts" Cheney, she's used as a punchline to bash how clueless and out-of-touch Democrats are. She has no friends online or anywhere else.

crawjo.bsky.social•2 days ago

Doesn’t the Constitution supercede the State Department’s legal authority?

ryangodfrey.com•2 days ago

As in the 1st Amendment? People can say what they like, but that doesn't mean what they say is consequence-free, & the shitty consequence in these cases is a repressive and capricious State Dept deciding to revoke their visas, which they can legally do. Officially there doesn't have to be a reason.

crawjo.bsky.social•2 days ago

I was thinking the 14th amendment.

ryangodfrey.com•2 days ago

I hope due process/equal protection arguments get made here, but the case law seems to be pretty murky and generally the courts have given a lot of latitude to the executive branch on immigration and visas.

rundog.bsky.social•2 days ago

conservatives whole thing was lying about project 2025. why should we take them at their word in public ever again?

thucydidesmt.bsky.social•2 days ago

But it does seem to be legal. There are facts. There are laws and statutes, even if poorly written or dangerously broad. Should he have said he thinks it’s not legal even though it seems like it is?

sababausa.bsky.social•2 days ago

Why does Esoteric Jeff feel the need “concede the legality of the administration’s act”? If it’s viewpoint-based retaliation…?

mehero.bsky.social•2 days ago

a long way round to say, Musk Next.

momentofmagnus.bsky.social•2 days ago

I always found it weird that Jeff could manage to have such impeccable taste in music alongside all the conservatism; this may be why

nnscott.com•2 days ago

I agree. The ability to find a point of agreement and constructively work on it with someone, knowing full well that they also believe some different things we passionately disagree with and not giving in on those, is a difficult and valuable political skill that few attempt, let alone master.

viperx83.bsky.social•2 days ago

Yes, let us uplift this hemming and hawing shit that is viciously anti-immigrant and totally open to the idea that the black-bagging of this woman was legit.

joepaulson2.bsky.social•2 days ago

"I will accept the legal point, if you insist: No visitor or immigrant truly has a First Amendment right to free speech until the second after he has taken his formal oath of citizenship."

I won't. The "it's legal" bit goes too far.

But it is mostly a good piece.

therealveon.bsky.social•2 days ago

It's not even true. The construction applies to everyone, not just citizens, not only to people who entered legally. It even applies to people who entered illegally. That's the legal precedent.

If you don't like that law, ok, but don't pretend like it isn't the law. (Not you, I'm taking about him.)

therealveon.bsky.social•2 days ago

Constitution.

Argh. Twitter never had an edit feature, can we get one here?

rocketmansparty.bsky.social•2 days ago

Where do I draw the line? At my doorstep, and the tip of my nose. I wear stuff letting MAGA know who I am. Come and get some, or FAFO, if you like.

Let me know when we march on DC, I'll be there.

georgeabington.bsky.social•2 days ago

No, they voted for this evil and they're just making totally insignificant gestures to fool people like you who think that having nice relations with right wingers is the most important thing in politics.

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