If Kamala attracted enough voters, maybe by not funding genocidal maniac Netanyahu as he murdered children & babies & families for 4 years, or doing something positive for the people, anything, even something, maybe she would have won, instead of having 12 million voters walk away from the party!
Love ya, George, but this is exactly exactly the tone-deaf, privileged attitude that handed the GOP the election…Complacency and indifference to the people that can’t afford to go out to brunch. It’s signs like this that make the Dems’ promises look merely performative.
This person is just having some fun but yeah, this is exactly how we got here. People going to brunch while millions of people suffer and can barely afford to eat let alone mix champagne and orange juice.
If Kamala was president, I would be spending money instead of saving every penny I have. I might even still have something in the stock market, but I got out in November.
So Trump has started the phase of his presidency where he snatches random ppl off the street in te middle of the night, brands them gang members and sends them to a super prison in El Salvador with no due process.
This would not have happened if we had elected Kamala Harris. There would have been no need to. But this country is far too bigoted to see past her skin and her womanhood.
Here's the thing, neither Hillary or Harris ever had a real chance, they were both pipe dreams. The men in the country will never vote in a woman. Ask the 11 million who voted for Biden but not only didn't vote for Harris, they didn't vote at all. Why? She didn't have a dick!
We could only imagine what life would be like now had she won, I'm sure the orange insurrectionist would have been shouting the odds, but he'd have been behind bars where he belongs anyway, oh if only time travel were possible...
I want to point out, because I think it's important, the way things were going before was not sustainable and the Democrats were and are incapable of fixing it. We probably would have a better standard of living under a Harris admin right now, but it's just kicking the can down the road.
I didn’t realize things were so much better in Gaza with trump in office. That’s good to hear, and surprising, last I heard he wanted to make it mar-a-Lago East.
Weird/wrong take.
Same plan as the dems. They just did it more in the background and didn't put their own names on the tourist plazas they planned. I'm better with this outcome because we're not better than the Palestinians. So if we're also suffering maybe we'll put in effort to change things.
And I’m so glad you feel better about this outcome. I do wonder how the Gazans feel at this very moment. Very privileged of you. I would also never compare our hardship with their suffering and slaughter, but that’s just me.
You feel like you’ve done something with your protest vote, you havnt. You are far more privileged not living in Gaza at this moment no matter how many marginalized communities you bring up. I’m from a marginalized community, but I don’t have your hubris and arrogance. You have aided a genocide.
How is it a wrong take? You voted against the wishes of the people of Gaza. Surely you must have hoped trump wouldn’t let Bibi continue to slaughter them. You voted with their best interests in your heart, right? Or did you just use Palestinians lives as an excuse to vote for Trump.
dumber take. Ppl against genocide didn't vote for trump. Lol so dumb.
There were auctions for Palestinian land in New York City while Biden was president. The people of Gaza do not see a difference between a biden genocide and a trump genocide. It's crazy how u just made up your own propaganda.
Kamala should have been more aggressive on the campaign trail and took the gloves off. We saw a flash of it during the debate which she won handily. If she were president at least my 401K wouldn’t be a 104K.
I speak out every chance I get in their support, including contacting my representatives. What have you done, from your high horse?
Assuming your American, your tax dollars were funding the genocide under Biden, and Kamala would have continued it.
Blamed on Biden?? He signed the funding and arms packages, REPEATEDLY!!
Sorry if GENOCIDE is a wedge issue to you, but yes, I will always oppose it vehemently and speak out against it, and vote against it. Find your morals and your spine, unless you're a sociopath.
you've gotta be fucking with me ??? that is NOTHING compared to the again, BILLIONS biden AND trump have sent to israel. it wasn't new to the biden administration either, obama loved bombing palestinian children too. pls fucking use your brain bruh, i know you have one
What, you want me to be sorry for not wanting the US to fall into the hands of a malignant dictator all because the people who would keep letting us vote and potentially be swayed didn't do enough to help some foreign region on the other side of globe?
No, she didn't. She chose to not talk about it because Dems were split on the issue and there was no way to talk about it without losing votes. Call it wrong all you want, the "genocide Joe" rhetoric was a psyop. They sided with Trump who openly hates Palestinians.
She did talk about it--she explicitly said there wasn't anything Biden did that she would do differently, ie, she would fund and arm the genocide too.
If a party and its leaders can't speak out against a GENOCIDE, then anyone with morals and a spine should speak out against them and deny their vote.
You're dealing with isolated, insulated Americans who find it easy to sit back and lecture others, while completely immune to the horrific current events overseas.
If they had to spend 24hrs in Gaza they'd change their tunes about the Dems not being so bad.
Is the situation better now or worse for Palestinians? And you knew it was going to be worse for them when Trump got into power. And you chose that for them because you wanted to throw a tantrum. "That will show her.”
Clearly, if you’re getting into this conversation. You’re speaking as a potential voter who is justifying a non-vote in Nov 2024. Doesn’t matter if you’re not American.
Fuck the politics, fuck the philosophies.
Did your choice/point make the situation better for Palestinians on the ground at this very moment or in the next 6 months?
both poarties promised exactoly the same thing in gaza, but trump already cut off zelensky. so yiur trying to conbvince us that we should have voted for the feel goof maniac instead of the ';half the holy wars' one. Were your feelings really worth the inocent russian lives?
And the other guy literally told Nethanyahu to go buckwild. Anyone who chose not to vote for Harris because of Gaza is quite simply a fool. Trump was always MASSIVELY worse for Gaza. The Dems had a shitty take on Gaza. Trump actively wants to genocide Palestinians and build American condos in Gaza.
Whatever helps you justify voting FOR a genocide. Americans lack sane boundaries. In a healthy society neither Trump nor Kamala would be viable candidates.
Like it or not, either Trump or Harris was going to be president. Because of the American system works, there literally wasn't a third possible outcome. You call voting for Harris voting for Genocide, but Trump was literally egging Bibi. A vote not cast against Trump was a vote supporting genocide.
Amen!!! Republicans moved into the nuthouse and Democrats moved into the void that opened up. There seems to be no party now that stands up for the working class and human rights.
Want my vote, give me a reason to support you. Don't just tell me how bad the other guy is.
Bernie in 2016 was the last real hope of avoiding Trump in politics, and the Dem establishment squashed him.
Worst is not a good enough reason. It’s ridiculous.
Looking at the situation should have been enough. It’s like dealing like a child. Unless I get my way, I’m going to hold my breath.
https://youtu.be/WOQ-GxJyJN4
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I did this same research in 2014, I mean checked the math, like Beth did, And I've been pursuing it ever since...
This mentality is a big part of the problem with liberals (moderates). They only protest when Republicans are in office and they become complacent when Democrats are in office.
Like I said in another comment section, this is part of the problem since it's kinda privileged to act as if we could relax fpr 4 years every time we "win" an election.
And hundreds of thousands of Palestinians would still be facing imminent death or displacement, we'd be getting even more embroiled in Ukraine, and we'd still be saber rattling at Iran. All while BRICS gains even more of an economic advantage, and the working poor get poorer.
Unfortunately, no evidence supports that, and that's a large part of why Trump was elected.
If you truly believe that, all I can do is ask you to hold their feet to the fire. Ask them why they violated Leahy Laws, the Genocide Convention, and allowed at least 200,000 innocent Palestinians to die.
The problem I’m having with a lot of you people who think that it’s just so easy to stop the war is that you think the war probably started five years ago. The war started in 1948. The reason why we are still in this war is because America relies on Israel, and they are not about to ruin that…
I call it a wedge issue because it splits the Dem vote but not the GOP one. It's a no-win situation for Dems to address electorally.
It's not as if the Dems were giving aid to Israel and saying "wipe them out," remember the hostages? Of course we shouldn't keep arming Israel but Hamas is a problem.
What of those who are and will be illegally imprisoned or killed by ICE here in the US? Are they too worth less than the Palestinians?
Harris was the objectively better choice, even for Palestinians. It's not "lacking humanity" to point out that agitating over Dems on Gaza loses sight of this fact.
I mean, seriously that's weird, people didn't want to elect someone who supports genocide, so they elected someone who supports genocide. Makes perfect sense.
what i don't understand about this stance is... what the Fuck did you think trump was gonna do? cease the genocide? absolutely we shouldn't glorify politicians like dems who allow the gaza genocide to continue but wtf does aiding a dictator's rise to power do to save anyone? i am genuinely asking
We knew they were both bad. We hoped that knowing genocide was a line in the sand would encourage Democrats to abandon genocide. Instead they abandoned the left. Now we are also suffering and honestly I think that is fair. Maybe we'll be more moved to actually create Fair government that won't gcide
Too bad Kamala was promoting what was not a priority for Americans, and letting timid democrats conduct a very weak campaign with a weak and self congratulatory message instead of fighting fascism.
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How is this different from Nazi Germany again?
Why were we wrong to point it out?
Does he see tourism as his enemy or is it just random and unorganised?
This would not have happened if we had elected Kamala Harris. There would have been no need to. But this country is far too bigoted to see past her skin and her womanhood.
Is Trump not sending bombs and turning a blind eye?
Same plan as the dems. They just did it more in the background and didn't put their own names on the tourist plazas they planned. I'm better with this outcome because we're not better than the Palestinians. So if we're also suffering maybe we'll put in effort to change things.
There were auctions for Palestinian land in New York City while Biden was president. The people of Gaza do not see a difference between a biden genocide and a trump genocide. It's crazy how u just made up your own propaganda.
I promise you, it would have been different.
How does not supporting a candidate because she's involved in genocide mean I'm a Trump supporter?
Think beyond the knee-jerk...
Assuming your American, your tax dollars were funding the genocide under Biden, and Kamala would have continued it.
Are you really going to keep bemoaning her not talking about a wedge issue that was blamed on Biden by a literal psyop?
Sorry if GENOCIDE is a wedge issue to you, but yes, I will always oppose it vehemently and speak out against it, and vote against it. Find your morals and your spine, unless you're a sociopath.
Was it enough? No. But holy fuck it's better than any other president on Gaza and way better than "cleanse it to build hotels" Trump.
Priorities. Put your own mask on first.
Harris went out of her way to indicate to Palestinians and pro Palestinian voters that she didnt need their votes.
Turns out she did.
She consolidated that loss by many put downs and little insults. They wanted the Palestinians and the left to know they werent needed to win.
It was deliberate.
Was she still a decent candidate and way better than the alternative? Undoubtedly.
Stop letting perfect be the enemy of good.
Essentially the party of AIPAC now.
You failed to focus on the highest priority.
If a party and its leaders can't speak out against a GENOCIDE, then anyone with morals and a spine should speak out against them and deny their vote.
If they had to spend 24hrs in Gaza they'd change their tunes about the Dems not being so bad.
Is the situation better now or worse for Palestinians? And you knew it was going to be worse for them when Trump got into power. And you chose that for them because you wanted to throw a tantrum. "That will show her.”
Also, I'm a Canadian being affected by your failure, you're the one throwing tantrums.
Give them hope or dig a bigger hole for them?
Did your choice/point make the situation better for Palestinians on the ground at this very moment or in the next 6 months?
You can never blame the voters for not voting for you.
It is always your failure if you dont get their vote.
Sure you made your pt. Democrats are lame and lousy.
End of the day, did your non-vote/you making your point make actual improvements to the innocent lives in Gaza?
You made it about you. "You” meaning the millions of you that made that choice.
Bernie in 2016 was the last real hope of avoiding Trump in politics, and the Dem establishment squashed him.
Looking at the situation should have been enough. It’s like dealing like a child. Unless I get my way, I’m going to hold my breath.
https://youtu.be/WOQ-GxJyJN4
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I did this same research in 2014, I mean checked the math, like Beth did, And I've been pursuing it ever since...
This is Swing State #2
https://electiontruthalliance.org/pennsylvania
People got complacent because they were given the privilege of not paying attention.
And then Trump came back.
I warned people the fight wasn't over in 2020.
But, hey, brunch! 👏
Serious question. Do you think Biden, Harris, Clinton, Obama, Booker, Pelosi, Schumer, et al. give a damn about the Palestinians?
If you truly believe that, all I can do is ask you to hold their feet to the fire. Ask them why they violated Leahy Laws, the Genocide Convention, and allowed at least 200,000 innocent Palestinians to die.
Do you think that all the people suffering in Palestine would call it a "wedge issue?" What about all those who've lost loved ones?
It's not as if the Dems were giving aid to Israel and saying "wipe them out," remember the hostages? Of course we shouldn't keep arming Israel but Hamas is a problem.
On top of that their domestic policy is far better. What of all those who'll now die due to USAID cuts, huh? Are they worth less than Palestinians?
Harris was the objectively better choice, even for Palestinians. It's not "lacking humanity" to point out that agitating over Dems on Gaza loses sight of this fact.
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The duopoly’s PR campaign centers on the idea that anything else is “unrealistic.”
They deride “spoilers” on TV.
They sue third parties to keep them off ballots.
The DNC and RNC have no obligation to be democratic.
Abandon them.