👉 DeepSeek may well have broken OpenAI’s Terms of Service and distilled their intellectually property without permission 👉 OpenAI may well have done analogous things to YouTube, New York Times, and countless artists and writers. 👉 Karma is a bitch. - ThreadSky

garymarcus.bsky.social • 25 days ago

👉 DeepSeek may well have broken OpenAI’s Terms of Service and distilled their intellectually property without permission
👉 OpenAI may well have done analogous things to YouTube, New York Times, and countless artists and writers.
👉 Karma is a bitch.

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joocifer.bsky.social•25 days ago

IBM can reportedly make a violin shape by pushing around individual atoms with an electron microscope.

I think I hear it playing.

bahrad.bsky.social•25 days ago

One of these implicates a garden variety TOS violation (and potentially one by others since there are loads of ChatGPT generated synthetic data lying around). The other implicates copyright violation with a potential fair use defense. These aren't analogous.

cltatheists.bsky.social•25 days ago

No honor among thieves?

seannie1215.bsky.social•25 days ago

DeepSeek is nit working ; did the fascists hack it ?

joedeasy.bsky.social•25 days ago

Gary, given the absurd heights of proposed data center resources and energy use, shouldn’t low total-energy-needed training and deployment architectures and devices be a major focus of the world of AI?

garymarcus.bsky.social•25 days ago

yes

eldygrey.bsky.social•25 days ago

It should be, but the excess energy use was a feature, not a bug.

Needing tons of energy limited competition to those that could afford the GPUs.

inkytartars.bsky.social•25 days ago

if sauce(goose) == sauce(gander)

casey-casey-casey.bsky.social•25 days ago

The difference tech bros are counting on is that one could be successfully proven in a court of law and the other is just too “nebulous” and “speculative”. Fucking grifters

strikefaceshow.bsky.social•24 days ago

It feels so good to be so right

danbad23.bsky.social•25 days ago

Karma may well be a bitch lol

impulse-buyer.bsky.social•24 days ago

So much bullshit from the tech bros.
They’ve been scamming investors for years and sucking up billions to develop software that is essentially a jumped up spellchecker.
They call it AI, when they have no idea what intelligence really it.

rreisman.bsky.social•25 days ago

IcarusAI?

northfacet.bsky.social•24 days ago

starstormx1.bsky.social•24 days ago

As I said on Masto, this is a major "how would you feel if I did this to you instead?" moment

pithyphrase.net•25 days ago

You're trying to kidnap what I've rightfully stolen.

ed4words.bsky.social•25 days ago

LOL!!!

ancadweb.com•25 days ago

AI is the new Far West.

randompersonfire.bsky.social•25 days ago

I wonder if Section 702 is the real reason the establishment hates any challenge to US tech hegemony.

chronosschiron.bsky.social•24 days ago

FREE IS GOOD

restlessalbatross.bsky.social•25 days ago

Any AI company crying IP theft is fucking hilarious to me. Literally the whole point of their not-actually-AI models is that they were trained on billions of users' data without their consent.

saxxie.dev•24 days ago

They’re not crying IP theft, because they know their model outputs are not copyrightable and thus not property. TOS violation though is technically fair game for civil lawsuits.

doublepluskombucha.com•25 days ago

It’d be less of an issue if OpenAI had remained open.

Still an issue, but they have the veil of “giving back”

jaygirl80.bsky.social•25 days ago

Remember when open AI was also going to be open source and a non profit?

talhananidf.bsky.social•24 days ago

👉 “Stargate Project” 2025 stacked $500 billion dollars on the table to bury the Alexa ranking of the REAL Stargate Project
👉 It cost Nvidia $1 trillion dollars in losses when DeepSeek ate their lunch
👉 Karma is a bitch

bmschech.bsky.social•25 days ago

As Captain Renault said in Casablanca "I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!", said just before the croupier hands him his winning, to whom casually said, "Oh, thank you very much."

jazrr.bsky.social•24 days ago

That is an all-time line.

uberfahr.bsky.social•25 days ago

It's more than karma that's a bitch these days.

sapandfury.bsky.social•24 days ago

Wait. Did they train of OpenAI responses? lol

theopriestley.com•25 days ago

Let’s see it through to the end now.

https://medium.com/@theo/i-want-openai-to-fail-79f0ea5c9938

timk1lgore.bsky.social•25 days ago

There's now a push to ban open source programs

jafupy.com•25 days ago

WHAT

timk1lgore.bsky.social•25 days ago

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/linux/facebook-flags-linux-topics-as-cybersecurity-threats-posts-and-users-being-blocked

dreadlichking.bsky.social•25 days ago

Jokes on them, the open source Linux fandom is already using Mastodon, not Facebook.

jafupy.com•25 days ago

And bsky

jafupy.com•25 days ago

Well that’s just bullshit. If you think Linux is a threat, pick a distro, read all the code, and build from source. That’s the beauty of FOSS. And they can’t track you that way, not that they do at all (most of the time)

cosmichomicide.bsky.social•25 days ago

Oh, for the days when there was honor in the Thieves Guild.

jazrr.bsky.social•24 days ago

When your IP is literally how to steal other peoples IP at scale this shouldn't be suprising.

iblis-bane.co.za•25 days ago

Interestingly, (if anecdotally), I was using a local version of R1 to try bypass censorship with prompting, (blocks don't appear robust) when I used the word "recalibrate."

It rejected my next query of the grounds of Google guidelines, & when questioned, claimed to be an OpenAI model instead. 1/

iblis-bane.co.za•25 days ago

Unfortunately I rarely log anything because it's purely out of curiosity, but I do wish I had been then, or at least screenshot it. :D 🤷

shenannigans.bsky.social•24 days ago

The blocks definitely are not that robust. All you have to do is ask why, use socreatic questions, pose alternative explanations that that are nonsensical, etc. Still nobody should work with a singular source of information when learning about important events.

iblis-bane.co.za•23 days ago

Agreed. Despite not being that robust though, I have been finding them quite _persistent._

Dunno if it's the model I'm using, or some system limitation / bottleneck, but it keeps returning to its old habits. :D

shenannigans.bsky.social•23 days ago

There are a few different versions. There's the app which runs internationally. There are a few hosts which operate in the US and then there's also the local models. They may all give different biases.

shenannigans.bsky.social•23 days ago

I like to run local models and then swap between different ones back and forth so that they all are able to share context and pull information from different sources.

mensreyah.bsky.social•25 days ago

It’s turtles and theft…all the way down.

publiuscirca24.bsky.social•24 days ago

gotta love a free market - I thought Republicans once supported such things and when did it become appropriate for US Administrations to choose winners and losers in such things?

10nates.bsky.social•24 days ago

According to legal precedent, everything produced by OpenAI's LLM is public domain.

According to legal precedent, most of what OpenAI used to train was NOT public domain.

This is not analogous...

losdemas.bsky.social•25 days ago

Oh, so true. Very well said.

pharmacystan.bsky.social•25 days ago

Its amazing the meltdown over the concept of global capitalism. Funny how its not cool when it doesnt benefit them.

markfromthedark.bsky.social•24 days ago

oh well. anyway,

democrackpot.bsky.social•24 days ago

retvet.bsky.social•25 days ago

China does not care

bverbs.bsky.social•25 days ago

Plagiarists are going to plagiarize with AI.

applesandoranges1.bsky.social•25 days ago

Womp womp

gman112.bsky.social•25 days ago

Indeed

mike-covill.bsky.social•24 days ago

I read about an experiment where they repeatedly trained an AI model on AI generated text and after several iterations the answers were complete nonsense.

katkombat.bsky.social•25 days ago

AI companies: Dismantle the IP protection system
AI companies: Have their IP stolen
AI companies: Shocked Pikachu face

mattaponi.bsky.social•25 days ago

Yup, it’s not like the broligarchs haven’t stolen everything they can get their greedy little fingers on…

fountainpencreator.com•25 days ago

Remove "may" in both cases. It is practically certain

dbnewtondoors.bsky.social•25 days ago

Are you saying they committed bank robbery to start a bank? Sure sounds like that . . .

head-cannon.bsky.social•24 days ago

Are you willfully ignoring that China is a nation state actor with OFAC status, or is data privacy and cybersecurity just not something you know much about?

This is not “MS vs Apple” this is “APT1 vs World” and you’re ignorant to pretend otherwise.