The worst part about this time of year is all of the people complaining about Baby it’s cold outside when that awful Paul McCartney song is so much worse
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I did have a minor issue until I read an excellent overview of how it can be seen as a period piece from a time in which the female is considered slutty if she agrees to a tryst too quickly.
It’s about persuasion, but she’s also trying to persuade herself to do what she really wants.
I don't hear anything nefarious in it but if others do, I can't really argue with them. I hear it as belonging to a certain time, but the woman sounds just as reluctant to leave wherever they are.
That’s what the song is in context. 2 people in love who want to spend the night together but have to do this dance because of societal norms. Out of the context of the story it reads very creepy
So, the gal dutifully puts up as much token resistance in order to maintain her "innocence", and the guy provides every excuse why leaving isn't just sad, but possibly dangerous! They are giving each other the ok to get down
Of course, the context of the times in which it came out make it more obvious, and with that stripped away the song doesn't really work for modern audiences, so the song should really be retired.
But, it's actually a song about sexual liberation and defying conservative social mores. Props to it.
This is definitive. I don't care how many people claim this is "flirting" because "she actually wants it but is being coy." Seriously? This is terrible messaging. We wonder why there are young men who claim No doesn't mean No.
Today it is being unlearned. We are capable of understanding the context of the song and its original situation but also why today it won't and does not and should not work?
The song is bad, the messaging is bad, continuing to defend "no means yes" messaging is bad.
Don't "different times" me. I was born in the eighties, at the height of "assault is funny and basically harmless" messaging. It was bad at the time and it's bad now. Same thing for this. End of.
je-sus fucking christ I was so blind to this in the christian evangelical cult. I'm so sorry I wasn't more supportive of women's perspective and not just the women I understood while in that cult. My apologies to all of you women. Holy shit this is dark AF. I hate that women deal with this shit.
Oh yes! Just today I complained about that odious, stupid, monotonous ditty! I hate it with the fire of a thousand suns! From the fucking bells to the idiotic lyrics! The worst is the “simply having” stretch! It should COST money for that shit to be played!
The problem with Baby It's Cold Outside is that culturally we've advanced to the point where we see the lyrics as the guy trying to get her to stay
When the song was written a woman couldn't spend the night somewhere without immeasurable commentary and shame, so the song is the woman TRYING to stay
Tbh, I feel like Baby It’s Cold Outside was a psyop or something. Like most people learn ed the context and just moved on, and the only people who ever really seemed to blow up on it were looking for War on Christmas content and wanted to complain about “WOKE CANCELLING”
Agree that "Simply Having... an Aneurism" is a terrible song. The expectations for Xmas music are low and that's part of the problem,. (Similar for holiday movies, which explains the Hallmark seasonal movie phenomenon.)
It's not even close... plus Santa baby and a hoard of others go first. I worked at banana republic in my youth and the holidays were the same 14 songs over and over again... still recovering from the trauma. Both Santa baby and a wonderful Xmas time were on there
Oh, no worries. I saw that the change happened but I didn't think there was any way to edit here. I guess you just deleted it and reposted with new info.
Yall putting trash against trash. I do agree with you however they both suck. It’s like saying you prefer having your genitals on fire to having wasps come out of your nose when you sneeze, both suck so why compare them?
The Kinks Father Christmas and Jethro's Tull So This is Christmas or two of the better Christmas rock and roll songs as is Lennon's happy Xmas the war is over. These are really the only Christmas songs I actually look forward to hearing that in and Gloria in excelsis deo on Christmas night.
a joke: Sir Paul McCartney set out to write the perfect Christmas tune, and also to finally figure out what all the buttons on his synth were. he succeeded in one of these.
I work retail. Hear Christmas music all day from thanksgiving to Xmas. This one and Mariah Carey make me put my fingers in my ears and sing “La la la” til they’re over.
I saw a post yesterday that said Paul was trying to create an all-time Christmas classic and also seeing what every key did on his keyboard and he accomplished one of these. Great explanation.
Someone pointed out to me before that the first verse and chorus of that Paul McCartney song sounds like they’re getting ready to celebrate a satanic mass when they’re suddenly interrupted. It’s changed my perspective on it.
I respectfully disagree. "Baby, It's Cold Outside" is a classic and iconic song, while "Paul is Live" is a polarizing album. Let's focus on spreading joy and positivity during the holiday season.
LOL. I kind of love that stoned Paul was goofing around with his new synth. Decided to release his goofy little tune and like 45 years later some people are haunted/tortured by it.
Evil geniuses haven’t figured out how to own people that hard.
Wonderful Christmastime IS ass, you're not wrong, but the actual worst Christmas song is Do They Know Its Christmas by Band Aid. ignorant ass song that is STILL being played on the radio lmfao. Yes guys, the ENTIRETY of formerly colonized Africa doesn't know what Christmas is. 🙄 You got it
I haven’t listened to that since I was a kid but I had the impression it was asking if the people at the party understand that its Christmas. Like, hey, we’re letting Ethiopians die of starvation, maybe we shouldn’t do that. Feed the world.
It gets played a lot less though. I hear that one maybe twice a season but the nightmare of wonderful Christmas time gets played at least once an hour on the Christmas station
It’s not Christmas until I can startle someone by screaming “Father Christmas, give me some money!” -oh and of course watching Hans Gruber plunge off the Nakatomi Building.
And the worst part about people complaining about that song being cancelled, is that it is not even being cancelled. The complainers just like to invent fake 'superwoke' enemies to rail against to get that juicy victimization feeling.
Don’t know if this is true, but I read that he wrote and recorded it when married to the shrew who screwed him over; and she said it was great so he included it on the cd. They’re divorced now and I blame her for it.
oooow, tough call, but my vote for worst Christmas Theme is still "Baby It's Cold Outside". Sir Paul's love song to his freshly unwrapped Crappio Keyboard and some pills he apparently found in a drawer somewhere wins for: Most Trite, Most Pointless, Least Meaningful... Hmmm, have I missed anything?
That apparently never before heard of song? Yeah that was total ass and kinda feels like it was “never heard before” because he only made it last year… just a gimmick. 😒
Oh, that one. His worst stuff is brutal. A long, long time ago, the National Lampoon did some kind of trivia quiz that included the question "What year did Paul McCartney write Silly Love Songs?" The answer was "1957-present."
Stealing this from another BS post, but it went something like that...."McCartney wanted to know what it would be like to record while using ALL the buttons on the synthesizer"
I really don't get why so many people get upset over a cute, innocent song about a guy trying to convince a nice girl not to leave the orgy just yet...
Or, at least I assume, I don't really listen to lyrics.
I legit brainfarted and thought you were talking by about that Proclaimers song and wondered why anyone would remake that thing. But then, there are covers of the Paul song too. Like whyyyyy?
I work in retail so I get the whole gamut of Xmas songs in many versions daily. I find it therapeutic to replace the lyrics with swear words or other meanings (in my head of course). Simply having....is a gift in that regard (but only that regard).
I worked retail for years and suffered at the hands of the Christmas radio stations. It’s even worse when customers would smilingly say, “you’re so lucky to get to listen to this all day.”
Yeah the system we have in our shop is supposed to give a wide range of Xmas music - and up to a point it does. But wide range shouldn't mean Santa Baby by 4 different artists...none of whom can resurrect that godawful song.
If we're tossing away songs with messages that don't work in 2024,I have a MASSIVE list for you.
Let's start with "Apache", you know, the song played at all sporting events, "jump on it, jump on it". Sugarhill Gang. Watch the video. Tell me why that is still being played.
'Don't you want me'
What if we read these lyrics not through the lens of Presentism (our contemporary notions of positive consent) and instead asked about social controls used to keep women in place. Then it’s a fascinating glimpse into what was and now is again, given the rapist dominant incoming administration
see for me the McCartney song is my favorite for this season only because my brother and I have a running joke where neither of us know the lyrics except for the following:
Ha! Yep, 100%. That song is simply the worst (and no one is a bigger Beatles fan than I am). But since I saw that post, I just imagine the coven feigning innocence, all chill and nonchalant, and the song is suddenly so much more tolerable.
and so few people seem to get that baby its cold outside..... she WANTS to stay and smooch
but she is like "people will talk"
and he is like "so just lie and say it was too cold to go out"
she WANTS TO STAY
whoosh
right over their heads
i think you're unfairly targeting a classic song and its creator. "baby, it's cold outside" is a timeless standard that's meant to be enjoyed, not criticized. it's not "awful."
"What's in this drink?" A drink is in that drink. The consumer is feeling slightly tipsy as the alcohol goes to her head which can happen from time to time. I see the lyrics as a lot less creepy than some people do.
I actually have to leave the store with my ears covered when it comes on, it drives me that crazy. Whoever told Paul it was okay to write a song with ONE FUCKING LINE repeated over and over needs to be lowered into a pool of sharks along with that beatle lookin motherfucker.
I totally get you! People love to hate on 'Baby, It's Cold Outside,' but Wonderful Christmas time is like the real holiday villain. It's catchy, but after one listen, you just want to hit skip every time! 😅
Haha, right? It feels like the song never ends! I’m convinced it’s actually a Christmas test to see how much holiday cheer you can handle in one sitting. 😅
I thought I was the only one. I love The Beatles, I love Sir Paul. Saw him live before COVID and would gladly do it again...fantastic show, in my Top 10 of the many I've seen.
Try as I might, though, I cannot stomach his Christmas song.
I’m not gonna bash you for enjoying something I don’t care for. Being a person is hard and anything in this life that brings you joy you should fully enjoy shamelessly. Right on.
Why would people complain about Baby, It's Cold Outside?
It's a story of female empowerment to have sex outside of marriage in spite of social expectations to the contrary. It's essential to understand the social context it was written in.
But all the reasons she gives for saying no are external. If the song was written now that might imply she felt unsafe just saying she wasn't into him, but back then it was true that societal expectations were having an undue influence on her choices
The Louis Armstrong/Ella Fitzgerald version is great. It's obvious they're saying the "proper" things to say ("What would the neighbors think!?") but they are flirting like crazy. Plus, if it's snowing that bad, she would HAVE to spend the night, of course.
That’s how I have always viewed it -and it’s great to harmonize to after a couple of cocktails. The Dean Martin version of course. Sadly I now have a Paul McCartney ear worm in my brain.
My theory is that McCartney is saying “simply HALVING a wonderful Christmastime,” and every time he says it, he halves the wonderfulness of Christmas again, until the wonder has been halved into infinitesimally small amounts— which is exactly what that song does whenever I hear it.
There's a lyric about there being no peace and joy in Africa this year. Forgetting that Africa is a big place and there are middle and upper classes all throughout the whole continent.
The lyrics are misunderstood, it's about a woman who wants to stay, but is worried about what society will think of her. It's coy, flirty and would be easily understood if society hadn't progressed beyond those concerns. Now people think each of her lines is genuine distress.
I mean, that is the context of the song though. It's important to recognise the journey towards female empowerment even when it looks different from a modern point of view
Baby It’s Cold Outside is so interesting because you have to know exactly how 1940s innuendos worked for it to not skeeve you out, while McCartney’s song sucks for the love of the game.
I can't believe people are complaining about a song when their are homeless out their and our democratic leaders are bending to Republicans in cleaning out their camps.
People really overthink Baby It's Cold Outside but Simply Having a Wonderful Christmas time is like being flicked on the forehead for 4 minutes and 17 seconds
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It’s about persuasion, but she’s also trying to persuade herself to do what she really wants.
In my not-so-humble opinion, Elf is THE BEST Christmas movie. All others fall short.
And yes. I will die on this hill. 😂
I don't hear anything nefarious in it but if others do, I can't really argue with them. I hear it as belonging to a certain time, but the woman sounds just as reluctant to leave wherever they are.
sometime in the last decade there was a married couple who did a bastardized cover where they had lyrics like "you reserve the right to say no" 🤦♂️
so glad this man wasn't still here to witness that abomination
(I couldn't watch the entire thing.)
😬
But, it's actually a song about sexual liberation and defying conservative social mores. Props to it.
This is definitive. I don't care how many people claim this is "flirting" because "she actually wants it but is being coy." Seriously? This is terrible messaging. We wonder why there are young men who claim No doesn't mean No.
Don't "different times" me. I was born in the eighties, at the height of "assault is funny and basically harmless" messaging. It was bad at the time and it's bad now. Same thing for this. End of.
The only song I believe is worse is that Kid Rock song about Sweet Home Alabama...
Pure trash both of them...
I didn’t know this wasn’t a commercial and was in fact a Paul McCartney song until I was in my 20s.
https://elektrovox.bandcamp.com/track/baby-it-s-no-longer-cold-outside-because-of-climate-change
I said what I said
When the song was written a woman couldn't spend the night somewhere without immeasurable commentary and shame, so the song is the woman TRYING to stay
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Love it.
I heard that live at the end of the best Springsteen concert ever and it was pure joy shared with 15,000 other screaming people 🎷🎸🎶
Thank you!
(Title translates to "Dance now, Dwarffucker")
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-MkzH7SGN4
Evil geniuses haven’t figured out how to own people that hard.
I’m gonna go put it on.
I know people like it but it just rubs me the wrong way.
How could anyone complain about that song?!
It’s awesome!!
It was broadcast on live radio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cCTgRax94o
How have I missed hearing this before now???
https://youtu.be/85n9ye73DjE?si=1O1tmAu9hlmVApSQ
may you be blessed as you have been a blessing to me on this day! 😇
Or, if that's not your style, may the good you have done for my mood in a desperate hour be returned to you a thousand fold in your time of need. 🤩
thanks... I needed this pick me up 🤩
HAVING
A
WONDERFUL CHRISTMAS TIME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp1lqHZVisc
🤣🤣😂😂🤧🤣
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...
but Paul McCartney is the only one who managed to capture the pure mania of the holiday season and fashion it into a weapon
Or, at least I assume, I don't really listen to lyrics.
NO! I WILL CUT YOU!
Let's start with "Apache", you know, the song played at all sporting events, "jump on it, jump on it". Sugarhill Gang. Watch the video. Tell me why that is still being played.
'Don't you want me'
'I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus'. Dirty whore, or a child's misunderstanding of sexual assault?
No, they're not all Xmas songs. But they are completely inappropriate for 2024 and are still being danced to, ignoring the lyrics🫣
HAVING
but she is like "people will talk"
and he is like "so just lie and say it was too cold to go out"
she WANTS TO STAY
whoosh
right over their heads
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yATWKctyZjo
I actually have to leave the store with my ears covered when it comes on, it drives me that crazy. Whoever told Paul it was okay to write a song with ONE FUCKING LINE repeated over and over needs to be lowered into a pool of sharks along with that beatle lookin motherfucker.
Try as I might, though, I cannot stomach his Christmas song.
It's a story of female empowerment to have sex outside of marriage in spite of social expectations to the contrary. It's essential to understand the social context it was written in.
That's the entire point of the song.
If you don't understand history, don't put it on your play list.
Why pick on one?
I'm simply, haaaving.. a wonderful christmas time...
simply
having
a Wonderful
Christmas Time.
The most boring people in the world: "Wonderful Christmastime sucks"
Paul McCartney song 😜
Likewise Every Night.
(deduct points if you must for the unoriginal song titles)
"Blackbird"
but then,
Harrison was there -
perhaps, the most talented of the "Fab 4" 😎🎻🗝️
Remember every Beatles song was a collaborative effort.
note the difference in
McCartney's 🎶 as
Harrison became more distant ...
(always think of Lennon as
a "holy man" 🙏)
nice talk 🦜
Brian Epstein
Happy Caturday 🐾
we'd already moved on 🌬️
no judgement from the
#blueshighway
jus' our thought
😎🎻🗝️
Every soul is moved in a different way.
I'd a trip planned for Route 61, but got sick. Bummer on a galactic scale.
🎶🎶🎶
Simp
Lee
Ha
Ving