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27 | Neurodivergent [ASD; DID; CPTSD; Depression] | NB {They/Them} | Artist | Loud and Proud Progressive ☆ 💖🏳️🌈
25 is The Funniest Number; Twitter Refugee; Aspiring Content Creator
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1. cepr.org/voxeu/column...
2. cepr.org/voxeu/column...
3. ehes.org/wp/EHES_63.pdf
4. clio-infra.eu/index.html
5. www.rand.org/pubs/commerc...
6. www.downtoearth.org.in/environment/...
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Okay I can post all the sources you want give me a moment; now for historical GDP per capita data they often 1990 International Prices (or I converted it roughly) to get a rough picture to compare any one second
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You might be horny (for whatever reason) can't talk about what you feel but I don't feel anything like that
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Even to this very day.. the gap has not closed and communism didn't do anything about that gap
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For comparison:
The US in 1914 had a GDP per capita (at 1990 International prices) of around just under 9K$
The Germany in 1914 had GDP per capita (at 1990 International prices) of around just under 5K$
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So Russia in 1914 had a GDP per capita (at 1990 International prices) of around just under 1600$
China in 1913 had a GDP per capita (at 1990 International Constant Prices) of around 545$
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I am well aware of the economic performance of the various communist countries before their transition. So lets look at the Russian Empire in 1914 (so before the Great War) and see how they stacked up to the rest of world alright?
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Yeah and through that time from 1917 to the 80s Capitalist economies grew even faster. China for its part didn't start growing significantly until it let go of communism. Every country under communism stagnated the ones that stagnated the fastest did not have oil.
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Hilter was a fascist doesn't matter what he called himself you can call yourself whatever the fuck you want. It doesn't change who you are. Yeah and communism as an economic system is prone to inefficiency, corruption, and lack innovation. Which makes it inferior long-term
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Before then the last major change was the introduction of money ... and that was 700 BC in Mesopotamia and that innovation took millennia to spread around. Economics do change.. but radical change? is rare and often gradual
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You are right it hasn't persisted forever but that last major shakeup to how economies worldwide worked that stuck was the transition from Feudalism (in Europe); Feudalism-esque economical models in other places to Capitalism gradually starting from around the 1500s and ending in the 1700s
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Because its fun that's it; its not complicated
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Yeah and let me remind you that the communists played their part. No one gets off scot free and if you can go around and talk about BP Deep Horizon in 2010 and other ecological disasters caused by capitalism you should be able own up and talk about the ones caused by communism
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Not only that volume matters in industry; and the Soviet Union wasn't just behind in implementation or in just research they were behind in volume and they would never ever catch. This is what I mean by innovation and why I say that Capitalist economies just do it better.
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Which do you think leads to more innovation?; having computer be widely adopted in society? Or having them be hold up in the military only?
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The US and other capitalist nations were the world leaders then in semi-conductor research and implementation. The Soviet by contrast (despite vanity projects might I add) had vanishingly few computers in the 1960s and whatever computers were available were reserved for military use
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Now lets look at industry in most capitalist economies by this point IBM and other computer manufacturers had made computing accessible enough that private business could use computers to automate tasks and enhance productivity for first time (for many of them)
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When you look at the Soviet economy is the 1960s for example this is when the space race was going on. Computing power was at its infancy and this was around the time that Communist countries came the closest to matching Capitalist countries in living standards
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Citation Needed
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Yeah and to me I look at and ask how is that any different? How is a restaurant selling you food and any different from what Kendrick Lamar is doing? They both want you to spend money on them to enrich them. In return you get a service or a good or both
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I do know that I'm talking so I don't know about you. I just looked at the economic, social and political performance of communist countries from 1918 - 1990 and found them wanting. At every step they were way way far behind it wasn't even close at any point.
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You can have whatever the fuck you want as your party name.. that means shit. If called myself a communist tomorrow and then implement feudalism would you still call me communist? Or would you agree that no ... I'm not communist anymore?
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Oh no I do its just capitalism there are many forms; there is state capitalism; lassiez fare; mixed economy etc. all these are forms of capitalism. To me the moment you stop wanting to redistribute everything and you allow people to gain their own wealth and have private property. You're capitalist
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I honestly love it when people tell me that so go ahead tell me all you want I'm listening ☺️
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Not saying that Capitalists are better you can find all manner of ecological disasters caused by private companies, private individuals and capitalist countries. I'm just saying before you start preaching look in the fucking mirror my guy your horse isn't as high as you think
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The Aral sea used to be the worlds 4th largest body of water; Its gone now. Chernobyl is famous as a nuclear shit show and what not to do. Lake Karachay, Kyshtym disaster, the city of Dzerzhinsk. So on .. there are many many ecological disasters caused by communists.
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Um if they didn't the Soviet Union; China before it turned capitalist in the 80s and other fellow communist states should been able to keep up right? So show me at any point when a communist nation was able to out innovate a capitalist economy. (Not talking about vanity projects)
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As a progressive Liberal I do in fact call you tankies too. Why would I write about my struggle? That doesn't make sense to me
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Yeah what you are talking about is cultural diffusion this has happened since the beginning of time. You don't even need capitalism to have the same thing happen
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Awwwww you don't want to defend your thoughts anymore so sad. Here I was looking to have an interesting conversation
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China became capitalist in the fucking 80s; like in some ways they are more capitalist that the US. Also just as aside they both over and under regulated and that's honestly a feat that you have to hand it over to the Chinese
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Why ask when I can just read what you say
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No I just went through entire profile to understand what mean
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Also and this has to be state as bad (and it is) as capitalism lack of care of the environment and it is going to fuck us all. It has remembered that some of the worst environmental disasters in history were caused by communists. Look at the Aral Sea (or what's left of it) as a great example
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Communism when faced with the fact that Capitalist economies were innovating better; spreading those innovations far more widely and were moving away in terms of standard of living. Could not adjust fast enough because a centralized system is inherently inefficient and very prone to corruption
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One thing that I love about you Tankies to be honest is the fact that you can't understand that a flawed economic system can innovate to solve *some* of its worst problems. Capitalism for example took the challenge that Communism (and Socialism) had to its dominance and innovated to survive
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Yet I don't see people going around and saying that the fact that Black people in Africa are somehow bastardizing South Asian culture by choosing to eat the same food but in their own cultural style
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I'm honestly surprised that you think that "American Chinese Food" is some vapid 1 dimensional cultural aspect rather than what it is which is what happens when two cultures interact and affect each other. Another example of a similar process is how Chapati spread from South Asia to East Africa
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These are problems that make Communism highly ineffective in a modern society; if were were still in the late 19th century and early 20th century it could compete with Capitalism as it was then; but certainly not Capitalism of today
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Still think that the no. 1 indictment against Communism is that all the countries that tried it either feel apart in 90s; or became capitalist. Not only that each and every single communist country could not innovate as quickly; or could not spread innovations around the economy as effectively