the entire message of Christianity is that God Himself died in an act of suicidal empathy with his wayward, undeserving creations and that you yourself have a personal obligation to emulate this. american protestantism is literally satanic
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Um - no, that's not it.
That's not the message at all.
It isn't in the Gospels.
But the way you see things says much more about you than it does about Christ.
Let me know how the word 'suicide' works for a guy with hands nailed to opposite ends of a wooden beam.
And calling protestantism 'satanic' is overreach.
Bonhoeffer and MLK struggle to fit in.
Men who dive on a grenade to save their comrades are still committing suicide.
Jesus knowingly choosing to allow his betrayal, reject Pilot’s chance, and go to the cross on our behalf is slower than diving on a grenade, but no less an act of suicidal empathy.
Sacrifice.
Suicide.
Example.
The soldier 'sacrificed' himself for his unit
Vs....
The soldier 'suicided' himself for his unit.
I see problems with your semantics.
If you’re going to pedantically argue semantics, perhaps you ought to do so, as one might say, “in good faith” and actually argue the term that was used.
But all acts of sacrificing one’s life entail suicide, that’s simply part of the deal.
i know ppl love to dunk on perceived religious hypocrisy, but "you have a personal obligation to emulate [suicidal empathy]" is in fact not in the gospels and would be quite the reading to make.
The 4 gospels don’t even explicitly state if he’s God himself or not, but they’re all 💯 that he knowingly suffers unto death for us & all 4 praise it like the OG sun
“Emulating it is good” is a common reading—ex: so many Christian martyr’s response to Roman crackdowns
i would in fact argue that the commonly-heard message is a lot closer to "jesus did this so you don't have to" than people might be comfortable admitting. especially when it comes to a lot of protestantism that centers individualistic belief as in john 3:16 over behaviors, actions, and traditions
I wish - since today is Pope Leo XIV's initiation, Christians would seek out common ground in service to the poor, prayer, and calling love to power.
America could do with more of that.
Leo XIII would approve.
I strenuously disagree that this is the entire message of Christianity. Jesus wasn't suicidal. He made a substitutionary sacrifice....and rose again. Jesus didn't ask anyone to kill themselves. He spent a lot of time talking about loving others, serving the poor and being agents of peace.
(the american christian nationalists of the type you’re talking about would probably sooner eat dirt than call themselves protestant, mainline style us prot.s as likely to have a rainbow or blm flag in front of their church as anything else, but your overall point stands and hell yeah)
but yeah the Archbishop after William the Conqueror died, need to create a theory of inheritance for the sons are fighting and the Conqueror are rebelling.
( Not the only example, but demonstrating theories of atonement with satisfaction )
while this is theologically correct, the OP is more logically correct. Once you realize that god is redeeming humanity....to himself.... you start realizing that is pretty illogical.
is because we interpret it the way @theophite.bsky.social does. God dying in order to go through what humanity goes through is much better than god writing a check to himself.
That said, I think its absence might be an intended feature: if you can't edit your blats, maybe you'll spend more time looking them over before putting them out there?
True story: I was in a Bible-reading group at a Presbyterian church near my office. One day I asked Mike, the nice, elderly man running it, “Did you used to be the rector here.” He responded, “Well, we don’t call them *rectors*…”
And not only that, he begged for them to be forgiven as they strung him up to die. He forgave them even as they forsake him. There’s literally no other way to interpret the gospels than as a message of radical empathy and a faith that fundamentally all people are worthy and capable of redemption
They infiltrated US government and US law enforcement. They’re trying to infiltrate and destroy US universities and now they’re infiltrating Catholicism via Peter Thiel, JD Vance and other “Dark Enlightenment” bros.
Dude the actual cost of Christianity is way too high for the average person to bear. You’re supposed to cut out your own eye before you lust. You’re supposed to give up everything to follow Christ. There are so few of us that can be Christians. I’m not for sure.
Hi there. Jesus’s teachings in the Sermon on the Mount are not far out of line with the contemporaneous School of Hillel. The Hebrew Bible doesn’t stop after the Torah and the Book of Joshua after all. There’s also plenty of FAFO in the NT.
You’ll have to enlighten me a bit here. I say this as someone who has read the Bible (NIV) cover to cover over 2 years, but didn’t really venture out to all the various splinters of Christianity. Just grew up Southern Baptist and wanted to read for myself. What’s the school of Hillel?
One of the two main schools of Jewish scriptural interpretation along with the school of Shammai. These schools and the Pharisaic movement generally evolved into rabbinical Judaism as we know it after Rome destroyed the Second Temple.
Someone once challenged Hillel to summarize Torah while standing on one leg or something like that. His summary: “That which is hateful to you, do not do to anybody else. The rest is commentary.” This will get you started on a fuller picture:
Postscripts: 1. We (Post-testamental Gentile Christians) give the Pharisees an unfair rap. The Gospels themselves recount disagreements within the fraternity of revolutionary Judaism. We read them without that context.
2. The NIV is not a highly regarded translation outside evangelicalism fwiw.
“My brothers and sisters in Christ, I’m pleased to tell you that today I have written an encyclical that will outlaw America completely. We begin bombing in five minutes”
Somebody young at work had never heard of Pope Benedict and so we looked him up, and I'd entirely forgotten how many Pope Palpatine jokes we got outta that guy.
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That's not the message at all.
It isn't in the Gospels.
But the way you see things says much more about you than it does about Christ.
Dyin on the cross after knowin it would happen is one of the few details all four agree on.
And calling protestantism 'satanic' is overreach.
Bonhoeffer and MLK struggle to fit in.
Jesus knowingly choosing to allow his betrayal, reject Pilot’s chance, and go to the cross on our behalf is slower than diving on a grenade, but no less an act of suicidal empathy.
Many praise it more for the slowness.
To the point that such a proposition makes a great Monty Python skit - but not anything related to what started a global community of faith.
To deny that is utterly disconnected from reality.
“God sent forth his only…. to die for our sins.”
It was a suicide mission from the start and he knew it
Suicide.
Example.
The soldier 'sacrificed' himself for his unit
Vs....
The soldier 'suicided' himself for his unit.
I see problems with your semantics.
If you’re going to pedantically argue semantics, perhaps you ought to do so, as one might say, “in good faith” and actually argue the term that was used.
But all acts of sacrificing one’s life entail suicide, that’s simply part of the deal.
The 4 gospels don’t even explicitly state if he’s God himself or not, but they’re all 💯 that he knowingly suffers unto death for us & all 4 praise it like the OG sun
“Emulating it is good” is a common reading—ex: so many Christian martyr’s response to Roman crackdowns
American Protestantism teaches a message *antithetical* to that of all Christian tradition, and it’s central teaching, prior to like, the mid 1800’s?
“He did it you’re good” is the opposite of “suffer for others”
America could do with more of that.
Leo XIII would approve.
there are offshoots that are more like what rev says, but i'm uninterested in misreadings of the bible or picking which christianity is "satanic"
Catholicism has, for almost its entire history, been *very* explicitly cool with doing suicidal things if they are done in furtherance of the faith.
Hmmmm.
"The parents sacrificed for their children."
Vs....
"The parents suicided for their children."
Hmmmm.....
yes, in fact, a lot of protestants (especially american denominations) do ignore catholics
1 Peter 2:21: "For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps."
“Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.”
He literally says "get your own cross."
but yeah the Archbishop after William the Conqueror died, need to create a theory of inheritance for the sons are fighting and the Conqueror are rebelling.
( Not the only example, but demonstrating theories of atonement with satisfaction )
The reason the story resonates....
That said, I think its absence might be an intended feature: if you can't edit your blats, maybe you'll spend more time looking them over before putting them out there?
When you zoom out to the Old Testament, God didn’t seem to be in a hurry to show empathy at all. Very much FAFO energy.
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fig tree?! gtfo!
2. The NIV is not a highly regarded translation outside evangelicalism fwiw.