Americans are starved for justice. Some might argue this CEO was no victim, but a perpetrator of a legal genocide—amassing staggering wealth behind the shield of policy. His actions profited from human suffering, turning lives into commodities and imposing death sentences for gain.
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this is terrible how would you feel if your father was responsible for countless deaths and then when he died people talked about his death the way he talked about their deaths because he was basically the devil
For clarity: There is no such thing as a hell, and the tendency towards mythology follows the same line of thinking that would have us essentialize human beings into good versus evil, black and white. He did an enormous amount of wrong in a cruel, uncaring way, but no one should be gleeful at death.
I'm sorry to say this, but it's difficult to muster any empathy for an individual who created and maintained the conditions under which many people's loved ones also died, and did it for profit. I don't like the idea of capital punishment but let's be honest here. People like catharsis, and...
... there's catharsis in "bad person faces consequences".
The truth is that no one was ever going to mete out justice to this man. Prime have been protesting and lobbying and voting for decades to fix a broken system, and people like this man, this CEO, stepped up every time...
I'm far from crying fitfully in my sleep over his death. Very far. When I achieve victory over someone that I despise, or that I think has wronged me deeply, I don't celebrate. I feel the cathartic response, but my reflection is somber, contemplative, introspective and existential, not glee.
I'm not going to begrudge those who found satisfaction in this though. One of the people directly responsible for some of their suffering is out of the picture, in a way that institutions were never going to do. Even I had a moment where I settled on...
Like there is a genuine talking point here but its buried under all the people he's allowed to die. It was his personal responsibility to support his family with a profession of choice. He chose to find out in these unprecedented times. Now his family has to pay for it...or get paid, hopefully.
I'd feel like shit if my Dad denied sick people the treatment they need and then even IF he deems it coverable- charge enough that you are miserably in debt the rest of your life and would rather just die so he can go on expensive vacations!!
You might be shocked, but you also should encourage the rule of law and less gleefulness at the loss of human life and its intrinsic value. Unexpected, and terrible. If you're a liberal in favor of capital punishment, presumably under the same principles, be consistent.
I suggested this kind of thing would happen to a hundred-millionaire 15 years ago, that he and his family couldn't hide in his gated housing and he laughed at me. I'm frankly surprised it hasn't happened earlier. I've watched impotent rage crest over my career.The rubicon is crossed.God help us all.
I would have agreed with you but we have firmly demonstrated that in this country the rule of law is dead and people were so apathetic or deluded that the federal government has been handed to fascist and corporatist. The only thing the left has done by holding to civility is lose.
The only thing remotely condescending in my advocation for rule of law and humanist values there is demanding consistency. The only thing that matters on either end is specific arguments against those principles. I await them eagerly.
I doubt the person crying foul actually cares for humanity considering how careless they are disparaging against how others express their anger and frustration
How would you feel if your dad died of a treatable illness because the insurance he’s been paying for his entire life used an AI bot to automatically deny his claim?
It's quite simple my father didn't get murdered by a man with a gun. My father with his preexisting condition was murdered by those who murder thousands of other people's fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, and children every day and call it good business.
My dad has prevented 0 people from having access to life-saving medical care and has forced 0 people to spend tens of thousands of dollars out-of-pocket on unavoidable medical bills.
GTFOH with this nonsense. My dad worked tirelessly as a mechanic to ensure that people could do things like stop when they pressed the brakes or their wheels stayed on when they took a sharp corner on a mountain road. This man was a mobster as far as I'm concerned.
bad, but i also feel incensed that beyond how medical insurance companies ruthlessly exploit their customers more every year, they also use a part of that blood money to bribe politicians and influence media companies. in this way they probably have more influence on society than the public does.
If my dad was involved in making millions off of denying care for healthcare, I don't think anyone could say anything worse than what I was saying about him.
Then again, I hold my family to a higher standard.
Oh they’ll be crying all the way to the bank. That guy’s kids, and his kids’ kids, will be living off his obscenely accumulated wealth unto the seventh generation.
You know that’s honestly a good question.
It depends entirely on the kind of man my father was.
Was he a good man who left only happiness and joy? Was he a black hole of a human being who used people and hurt people?
From what I can gather, this man was not the former.
Excuse me if people dont feel bad for him bc of the things he did while he was alive, which included putting other peoples lives in risk to some capacity btw
The man was a key player in a system that profits by denying healthcare to people who paid for healthcare. Many of those people died as a result, and everyone who profits in that system expects that to happen.
So, no, we owe none of them or their families sympathy.
No one disagrees that it's wrong and evil. What people are disagreeing with is both the methods used, and the same gleefulness at death that brought about his methods in the first place as a byproduct of late stage capitalism - one's value of human life should be independent of others' value of it.
Are in favor of capital punishment then? As either a liberal or a conservative? If not, what principles does your stance against capital punishment hinge on?
Shut the fuck up, you fucking weiner. I’d be glad my piece of shit father was dead because I have principles. If his dipshit kids aren’t that’s their problem and they can catch some too.
If my dad was personally responsible for so many Americans dying due to lack of healthcare access I’d probably say rip bozo or something I don’t know, my late father was actually a good person who helped people…
What's classless is your understanding of how that person is not in the same class as you and the only way the working class can actually threaten the ruling classes is through actually making them afraid and breaking their power structures
His death is not the same
I can say 100% personally that my dad has never run a major insurance company that uses AI to determine who gets covered with a 90% error rate. So I don't think it's the same.
How would you feel if your parent died of a treatable and covered illness because a CEO at United Healthcare decided to deny the claim to increase profits?
If my dad was the CEO of UHC I’d understand. Also I probably wouldn’t have a relationship with him since I would find his job disgustingly inhuman and he’d know how I felt about it.
He and his family profited off of the loss and deaths of others. When you put death and greed above other people’s needs, it’s not surprising you get some of that back
If my dad were responsible for thousands of preventable deaths each year just so he could extract even more wealth I'd be the first in line cheering his death.
Remember folks, if someone's scolding you to be more empathetic for the wealthy, but the said wealthy has never extended empathy for the people who's lives they've destroyed, they're just saying "Shut up poor person, you're disturbing my peace"
If my dad were a healthcare CEO and I had somehow managed to retain my humanity despite being generationally wealthy from blood money I would be deeply ashamed
A lot of the children of these bloodless rich freaks hate them because they frequently abuse their children. You haven't dated rich girls like me so you don't understand how insanely common this shit is man. These people are monsters, they weren't born that way but they are.
Well, he’s a racist cunt, and a retired corrections officer who was far too proud of the violence he perpetrated during his tenure in the special housing unit where he worked, so I would kind of get it.
Also, my Uncle Bud brought home a whole bunch of trophies from the Wehrmacht and SS trash he killed in WW2, and honestly I don’t give a fuck about how the families of dead Nazis feel. That shit is cool.
If my father was an evil man that ran a company responsible for using ai to deny legitimate health claims that resulted in thousands of unnecessary deaths, I would just feel guilty that I hadn’t killed him myself and praise the shooter for doing what needed to be done.
Do you think the entire world needs to be a safe space just in case the murdered man's kids are there? Perhaps, they can stay off social media if they are concerned what they might see. This is such a preposterous position to think everyone has to pretend his kid is listening to us all the time.
They should read all of the remarks and understand what a POS their father was so they can have a life of helping people instead of hurting them like their dad.
How would you feel about your father dying of cancer and seeing the person who denied his claim live a lavish care-free life? Fueled by the money you paid them to deny you life.
Classless is defending the life of someone who participated making people broke so they can live or killing/causing the suffering of poor people. Society doesn’t track the body count of insurance companies but it is a very real thing. Accept this or go clutch your fucking pearls elsewhere.
my dad wasn’t responsible for the suffering and death of thousands of people and if he was i would probably be pretty cool with people being mad at him
I’d shrug. How someone feels about a death in my family isn’t any of my business. Also, if my dad oversaw a company responsible for the deaths of thousands if not millions of people, I’d hopefully have enough empathy to understand people’s anger.
If you're eager for anarchy, this is the way to do it. When we begin excusing shooting someone in the middle of the street because they did wrong or even evil deeds(or at least being gleeful of it), we go down a dark path of vigilante rule over the rule of law, fair trials, and humanist values.
Its revolution Theres a time that its the only thing that works - when people are continually oppressed (as people are with health care debt or unavailability) to the extent that its sometimes fatal & they arent listened to, what else is there?
How often was it debated during the election?
He may well operate outside the law, but vengeance is a poor substitute for constitutionally changing how healthcare and capitalism work in this country. Hes already been replaced, likely by a worse bobblehead.
How's that working out If health care costs and availability had been discussed during the election - maybe people would have felt listened to and this might not have happened He was the CEO of the Corp with the highest number of refusals
Since one insurance company already pulled back on a decision to not fund anesthesia for surgeries that go too long, it already made a difference.
I agree that constitutional change is necessary, but I don't see it happening.
Short term reactions of the zeitgeist's moment, beholden to shareholders who are watching the news and stock prices myopically, will happen but usually represent superficial rather than systemic change. The insurance industry I assure you hasnt gotten less greedy overnight from a man's death.
Honestly hope it happens a lot more and that we do go down that path, in memory of all the people he denied live saving care to. I have no problem with that.
But for some reason, you think that if government ran healthcare, it would be better. Used car salesman like Barack Obama creating healthcare for citizens. L O L.
Why yes, here in Canada we have universal, government run healthcare and guess what i never have to worry about? paying for health care out of pocket because our collective taxes make sure not one person is left behind. but humanity and all that isnt your thing, i get it.
Each province is responsible for healthcare, unfortunately the money the government wants to pay our healthcare providers for services is lacking and doctors and nurses are leaving.
Services for things like mental health and dental are not covered under most provincial healthcare,
Doctors and nurses go to university to make money. If they are talented and they’re not making the money they go elsewhere. If they’re not talented, they stay in their current jobs and you’re stuck with them. I want exceptional doctors and nurses.
The government doesn’t innovate. Private corporations innovate. Competition is what makes everything good. Cars get safer cell phones have more features. That comes from competition.
you should also know that corps only innovate when there is something in it for them and $$$$ from the govt to do it. universities and hospitals are the ones who research and innovated in health care, in Canada anyway.
health care is a basic fundamental you need to exist.
you want the market to do that for you, by all means, stay in america. i prefer the human thing, you know? living and all that, the stuff that makes the whole point of everything.
Our government can’t even run an election and you want them to run healthcare? The house seat in California’s 13th congressional district took a month to count. They only had 210,000 ballots. That 7000 votes per day.Lol.
good news, doctors and stuff run health care, government just pays for it.
learn how things work, stop voting against your own good health and humanity, feel better about life.
the fact you keep simping for corporate overlords is truly the issue here.
If we were to send the 15 million people that have stormed our national border over the past four years to Canada, How well could your universal healthcare system hold up?
What is truly madness is to think that the politicians responsible for creating our country’s $37 trillion debt could create and manage a universal healthcare system.
When people seriously need it, they are prioritized in the system. When they don't seriously need it, but they're rich, they cut the line by going to America.
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So... the only thing I'd like to know is where will he be buried because that might be the only place I am ever going to visit just to take a shit.
No lifetime limits!!
Eternity !!
We got a live one incoming! Get the snakes and lizards prepped!
Comedy: 5/10
Mustache: 9.5/10
Fuck: 2/10
Way to go America, you're on the right track
The truth is that no one was ever going to mete out justice to this man. Prime have been protesting and lobbying and voting for decades to fix a broken system, and people like this man, this CEO, stepped up every time...
He got to live a life that none of us ever will, with money made on our blood. I'm not personally going to fret about how his story ended.
I'm not going to begrudge those who found satisfaction in this though. One of the people directly responsible for some of their suffering is out of the picture, in a way that institutions were never going to do. Even I had a moment where I settled on...
#EATTHERICH
weird comparison.
https://bsky.app/profile/vesperaegis.bsky.social/post/3lckeborkdk2j
There is no intrinsic value in the life of a private healthcare CEO.
"If your father was responsible for the death of thousands so he could be even more rich each year, how'd you feel?"
A) minus points for bland hyperbole
B) extra bonus minus points for failure to recognize class as an essential ingredient of the discourse here.
Too easy to make people suffer and die from institutional violence and then whine about the consequences.
Then again, I hold my family to a higher standard.
It depends entirely on the kind of man my father was.
Was he a good man who left only happiness and joy? Was he a black hole of a human being who used people and hurt people?
From what I can gather, this man was not the former.
So, no, we owe none of them or their families sympathy.
context is everything, o lover of learning
His death is not the same
If he was, I would be making snide remarks myself.
If he did that, I'd also make a snide remark about his death
But he didn't, so I won't.
Fuck you buddy! Get a life rather than defending monsters.
Dude was a prolific systemic murderer.
Just built different I guess
Your moral claim is denied on the grounds that you’re a pussy.
1) he is dead. good.
2) goooood riddance.
Also the heaven gate keeper is not covered and any interaction will come out of pocket.
What's your name? Fake professor.... I am waiting. Prove that you're a professor.
How often was it debated during the election?
Violence rarely leads to sustainable outcomes.
I agree that constitutional change is necessary, but I don't see it happening.
For making me laugh.
Too soon! 😝
The Blue Cross CEO better watch his back after this shit:
https://www.asahq.org/about-asa/newsroom/news-releases/2024/11/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-will-not-pay-complete-duration-of-anesthesia-for-surgical-procedures
https://youtu.be/RQthFDpYCys?si=mFPyp23cLX0ErnMv
I would love to have a family doctor.
Services for things like mental health and dental are not covered under most provincial healthcare,
you want the market to do that for you, by all means, stay in america. i prefer the human thing, you know? living and all that, the stuff that makes the whole point of everything.
learn how things work, stop voting against your own good health and humanity, feel better about life.
the fact you keep simping for corporate overlords is truly the issue here.
Canadians now pay a tax on there income tax for health care. Sure is free. Death comes easily to Canada.
Can’t wait for you guys to be taken over by the US