I’m watching Captain America: Brave New World and this movie has some shockingly bad exposition, like some of the worst I’ve heard from a big budget live action film in some time
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I suspected it would not be good and therefore did not go to see it. Captain America: Civil War’s theme is my favorite for these troubled times and I’m content to keep that way.
I said the same thing! My favorite one was when Giancarlo’s character had a moment where he said “let me tell you why the bad guy is doing all of this stuff.”
Can't possibly be more than the last Mission Impossible film. That was 10 minutes of chat [involving THE ENTITY] followed by some fancy set-piece.
Almost felt like the stunts had been filmed, thrown on the cutting room floor, and then had to be put together to make a movie.
Maybe hiding the majority of this phase's supplementary material behind a subscription service that a majority of the movie-going audience didn't watch was a bad idea...
Nick Fury : ...Ahem, yeah, sure. BTW, don't look to anything Tony let to Peter Parker. And don't look into my bank account. Or Hulk's. Or anyone else, in fact. I can't help you I'm going to space !
And making a direct sequel to a movie that came out nearly two decades ago without any recap in other projects, so that even people who *have* been keeping up don't know what events brought us here
I know I’m like one of five people who actually saw The Incredible Hulk in theaters back in 2008 and likes that movie well enough to remember it and rewatch it but it’s so funny how in the first five minutes we have to have the characters go “Betty Ross, the president’s daughter, does not like him”
Ross says “has Betty called? Has my daughter called? She’s still not talking to me.” Then we have the newscasters during his presidential win describe how Ross has been estranged from his daughter Betty (why would they say this??) then post 5 month timeskip Ross says it *again* at a grave site
Actually I think you'll find it makes perfect sense if you remember that it's a legal requirement in the United States for the president to have Dementia.
You'd think the fact that he wanted to murder one of the saviors of the universe would be a more pressing political gaffe for the newsmedia to gravitate towards...
But of course, that would entail rustling Universal's legal department...
Isiah Bradley’s introduction is so bonkers because they have to keep reminding you that the government locked him up in prison for 30 years. They have him say it, they have characters say it to him, they have characters joke about it to him. Absolutely no expectation for the audience to retain info
the way you're describing it, this sounds like a film which was designed for a streaming audience that's not paying attention to the movie, but which inexplicably got a theatrical release anyway
I really love Tim Blake Nelson but his performance as The Leader isn’t very good. No real sense of presence or charisma or sense of threat. Just very dull.
Also speaking of bad performances, it’s one thing to have Sabra in the movie, but god does she also have to be so poorly acted too? Terrible performance, terrible character, should’ve just been edited out of the movie entirely
He has absolutely nothing to work with and it’s a shame because I think he could have been really good if they leaned more into Mad Scientist Leader and less Smart As A Super Computer Leader
We should be well beyond the point where you can handwave everything a bad guy does according to his vague plan, seemingly without effort, with a "it's because he's really, really intelligent".
You can tell every scene he was in was a reshoot. I’m fairly certain he and Anthony Mackie have never met. Also hate his design, it’s so non-distinct and boring.
The audience doesn't necessarily know Isiah was in jail. He was introduced on a Disney+ show. I'm assuming they're trying to ensure anyone who hasn't seen it knows who he is and what motivates him.
I am reminded of an article I read about Netflix pushing creators to make stuff that is accessible to people who are half paying attention while scrolling on their phones. I wonder if this is because they lit. do not expect the audience to have been paying attention to anything more than 1 min out.
It's the Netflix effect. Everything is expositioned to death, repeatedly, because somebody who will be streaming this at home is either washing dishes or texting pictures of their dog -- not paying attention. Or wondering where / how someone suddenly got a gun. Nah, they didn't see that part.
I wonder if it's for the same reason as some of the things we hear out of Netflix - they're making movies for people who are on their phones the whole time. If you missed that detail the first 4 times, don't worry, we got you.
To be fair enough, the character has been called Betty Ross since she first appeared in the comics in 1962. Making her dad the President was a much more recent thing (new to this film, unless they've done something in the comics I don't know about).
Yeah, I'll give you that. It was very clunky when talking about Betty in the movie. The first and last one make at least some level of sense. The middle one doesn't.
I couldn't help but feel like the take home "message" was "Your boomer parents are trying to be better, even though they turn into a red faced rage monster who destroys everything and starts pointless conflicts. Give them another chance."
I did not see The Incredible Hulk in the theater. But I did see Iron Man in the theater in 2008. And that was a trip because I had just gotten back from a year in Afghanistan. 🙄😂
Guarantee this is to make it more palatable for streaming services once it’s on Disney+. So many movies are losing their sauce to be better for streaming platforms and it makes me sad ;-;
That’s because it has been a very long time since we had an original hulk reference. It’s for the newer generation that did not see that and started with watching mcu during covid. Have to catch them up quickly
Right, that's why you mention it in the movie, that's not the problem. The problem is the number of times it's repeated, as if you can't be trusted to understand without being told in increasingly loud ways.
AND they had the newscaster refer to her as "Bruce Banner's ex-girlfriend" !!!! I could have excused the rest, hamfisted though it was, but that was a bridge too far for me lmao
The funniest part about the Betty stuff to me was that, assuming she was so angry with him as to cut off contact 20-some years ago, why was he still staring at his phone hoping this time would be the one she would call? Ok second funniest. The first funniest was having her named repeatedly.
Studios that make these huge franchise movies just don't care about making a good movie. They know people will see it simply because of the IP. Doesn't matter to them if it's a one off watch and never again. They got their box office money
Superhero movies are now just cash grabs with most of the effort put into CGI. The ones that "Garner Acclaim" are just slightly less so, so exceptional only by comparison.
Television still has a few shining examples (Legion being a prime example) but... the genre is jumping the shark quickly.
A bunch of conversations in Captain America: BNW are using shot reverse shot that end on the wrong character so that the character that is not in shot can say something to push the plot forward. The tricks to rewrite the plot in post are the most obvious I have personally seen since The Snowman.
It definitely reeks of "film where they had to make massive changes in post and reshoots" but it's still a fine enough marvel film. They have a long way to go, but it wasn't atrocious like some other mcu films
I've gotten to the point where I dont want to see another superhero movie. They only make sense if there is a sense of checks/balances and justice in the real world, but right now, there is so little of that. They seem so condescending and rediculous now. More than ever before.
Still don't understand why they didn't include Eli Bradley and Misty Knight. Both would have been awesome additions to help Sam feel like his own character and not just stapled to Steve Rogers.
Overall i was pleased with the movie. I admit there were some issues. First 5 min were not good. Do you really need to demonstrate every more Captain America has? Bucky's appearance was forced. The end fight felt like a quick resolution.
But, it kept the Captain America theme of always being the good guy going. Captain America didn't compromise on his beliefs, and the overall movie was enjoyable
Thank You! I consider myself a pretty open #MCU fan. Only movies I didn’t at least like were Eternals and Love & Thunder…
…until BNW.
I actually felt insulted for the cast. Particularly given it was in the thematic vein of the great Cap Winter Solder, it was that much worse by comparison.
It's not just you, was sitting in it and it all added up so poorly that I was already clocked out halfway through. Couldn't get how/why people were being so protective of it and telling me how wrong/mean I was being for no reason.
agreed @ladyemily.nebula.tv CA: BNW was just horrid with the dialog. I regret watching it...and honestly, I feel that Marvel did Anthony Macke AND Harrison Ford a disservice with the script.
I believe Marvel has gone the way of Game of Thrones... the first four seasons were epic... then they writers just collapsed for the following installments.
We knew Sam as Cap was doomed since the end of his TV show w the Winter Soldier where he lamely chastised everyone to be better. It was so transparently lame and felt like Sam had been neutered. Fiege has been making so many course corrections that they are shooting movies without finished scripts!
Spelling out the obvious? Of just poorly worded? I've noticed a trend over the last decade or so where every subtext or bit of subtlety ends up being spelled out a few beats later :/
I've never been able to make it through a big budget action movie without my eyes rolling ao far up my head that I have trouble extricating them later. The last one I saw was Avatar, which was one of the worst movies I've ever seen in my entire life. And I watch about 10 movies every month
Every word of this thread is true. It’s wild how bad this was.
Also the CGI in the fight scene with all the blossoms? Like, it’s was laughinging, painfully obvious that Sam was the only thing not a mocap suit or a tennis ball
So bad. Like "It was a dark and stormy night; the rain fell in torrents—except at occasional intervals, when it was checked by a violent gust of wind which swept up the streets (for it is in London that our scene lies), rattling along the housetops, and fiercely agitating the scanty flame..."
It’s also so fucking weird because they’ll have like a combined 15 minutes of explaining that Ross’s daughter doesn’t like him, then never explain who the Serpent Society are or why Bucky is running for Senate
They just needed more banter b/t Cap & Bucky. This was a super humorless movie, which is not what we have come to expect from the MCU. They got 1 scene - and it may have been the best part of the flick
Was high and decided to watch the last Venom movie (don’t judge) and there’s an underground alien lab at Area 51 and two people who work there were basically explaining to each other what goes on there.
This is more a cultural reaction to the internet clickbait culture of bad critics who nitpick every last detail of a film. If they didn’t do this it would be a bunch of loud hacks going “Who even is this?” or “Where’s Betty?” All over the place because they need even single detail explained.
"Entire conversations and characters (looking at you, Shira Haas as controversial Israeli security advisor Ruth Bat-Seraph and Xosha Roquemore as Agent Leila Taylor) exist for the sole purpose of dumping exposition onto viewers."
Still acceptable. Someone has to fill the gap without making it a four hour movie. Plus, many didn’t see the Ed Norton hulk so there is a knowledge gap. If you didn’t like it cool. But EVERY movie has this more or less.
Well that’s what it is. Movies are a luxury and part of everyday choices. Messages, themes, and connections to other films are not new. The weird criticisms are. Hope you find movies you like.
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It felt like there was no bad guy. The big fight was against... the President of the US that was angry he disappointed his daughter? Or something?
Writing was soooooo cheesy and bad.
"I bet you'll go down easy."
Cap replies...
a) "like yo momma did?" (Cue "no, the *other* Cap didn't do 'yo momma' jokes")
b) "you lose a lot of bets?"
or
c) "not that easy."
Yeah.
C.
FFS.
MCU feels like dreary homework for a subject I used to like.
Almost felt like the stunts had been filmed, thrown on the cutting room floor, and then had to be put together to make a movie.
Cap : We're broke, saving the world doesn't pay.
Nick Fury : ...Ahem, yeah, sure. BTW, don't look to anything Tony let to Peter Parker. And don't look into my bank account. Or Hulk's. Or anyone else, in fact. I can't help you I'm going to space !
"Sorry... KRRRRRRT! You breaking up from all the space static! KRRRRRRRRT!"
I wonder how it aged
But of course, that would entail rustling Universal's legal department...
It gets even more egregious as the movie goes on.
Television still has a few shining examples (Legion being a prime example) but... the genre is jumping the shark quickly.
It's just... bad.
…until BNW.
I actually felt insulted for the cast. Particularly given it was in the thematic vein of the great Cap Winter Solder, it was that much worse by comparison.
I m an audiophile sorry! Lol
Thtaz bad!
*in voiceover, caressing own belly*
"both me and your as yet unborn child"
i genuinely burst out laughing
My wife still watches these and enjoys them. She tells me about them when she returns, and I thank the stars I didn't see them.
Turned Marvel on it's ear!
selling out in so many ways.
superman will be good cuz of the james gunn guy
IMO and the dog
Also the CGI in the fight scene with all the blossoms? Like, it’s was laughinging, painfully obvious that Sam was the only thing not a mocap suit or a tennis ball
Sad they ruined another one.
If I was Red Hulk, I'd be angry...😈
Long pause...
"How about the magic stones give anyone wielding them the power to basically reset everything as it was so we can start again?"
"Genius! 10 more movies at least!"
Smirking, and not smirking.
They worked so hard for the money. For so little.
"Entire conversations and characters (looking at you, Shira Haas as controversial Israeli security advisor Ruth Bat-Seraph and Xosha Roquemore as Agent Leila Taylor) exist for the sole purpose of dumping exposition onto viewers."
https://www.slashfilm.com/1787561/captain-america-brave-new-world-review/
https://screenrant.com/captain-america-brave-new-world-critics-audiences-reviews-different-explainer/
https://youtu.be/PCgX6qZdb60?si=1Vj80x4bRDhU8Czy