Sorry I personally hate Kamala. Did nothing about our boarder and our people died bc of it, can’t answer a single question on ANY interview, flip flops on policies..I’m sorry I’m just not voting for someone whose not qualified for the job
Sales of weapons to the middle east are the pentagons purview, not the white houses, as vice president harris has literally no say over the matter either way.
The fact that the man's a literal convicted felon, got impeached twice, has been full blown racist talking points is regurgitating conspiracy theories about trans people and STILL has an equal chance of winning this thing is scary. How do you vote for that, and expect good things?
Reading some replies here and i must say their stances on the current conflict is not gonna tell you if they are bad presidents or not because we all know you only need to pick knowing you are doing a choice to GET A BETTER USA. You want to end a war? You want a ceasefire! Then go protest for it
refusing to vote or voting third party comes from a deep place of privilege because youre willing to sacrifice queer and POC if it means you feel like youre making a stand.
Everyone is still baffled as to how it's neck-and-neck. With all the evidence and convictions that have come to light over the entirety of this year, the election should be clear!
IS THIS REAL??? LIKE FR IS THIS REAL? God we (as in the mfs in america, not everyone on here) are so stupid. Trump is a convicted felon. A FELON HOW IS HE TYING WITH KAMALA? NOT TO MENTION THE BLATANT FACT THAT IF HE GETS INTO THE PRESIDENCY ALMOST EVERY MINORITY IS FUCKED. HOW DOES THIS SHIT HAPPEN
Those not voting for Harris on single issue, where trump is on every matter substantially worse than Harris, to include the actual fucken Israel matter at hand they’re protesting, those proclaimed protest non-voters as just as complicit as those casting a vote for Trump.
They're voting AGAINST facism and trying to protect your people's democracy from a goddamn dictator.
You're the ones making it about genocide.
It's about stopping facism from returning to the world less than a century after we dealt with it before.
Once that's under control, we can fix the rest.
I am not surprised from the right but I am losing any sort of respect for the leftist that refuse to vote and rather live under fascim rather than voting against it. For me those folks are just privileged idealistic folks. And may I say close to the maga folks too. I said what I say.
Y’all gotta stop exaggerating the numbers of leftists in the US to excuse Harris’s pathetic campaign. Most ppl who aren’t voting for her aren’t leftist. They are everyday folks who have no motivation vote at all cuz she’s talking anti-immigration and pro-genocide like a conservative would anyway.
People have real concerns that she is not addressing. They hate conservatives which is why she was running high when her camp was calling them weird. Now she insists on having reps in her cabinet and brags about completing Trump’s wall. Therefore making it look like she’s just a conservative too.
the Dems are far from perfect but either trump or harris will become president. not voting for her makes it easier for the Rs to ruin the lives of lgbtq people, women, and other marginalized groups. I bet these leftists are cishet white middle class with little to lose under trump.
Exactly, just virtue signaling and not thinking about others. Just thinking about themselves and not the other ones. I just wish that my brothers and sisters and enbies could be safe.
Voting dem is harm reduction for while we mobilize for progressive candidates at the local level. It's so telling that these people are willing to sacrifice the rights of others to make a complaint (when the other side is equally bad or much much worse).
Bud, her working with the Republicans she is, while they continue to work on building cop cities to crush us all is not anti-fascist. To say nothing of all the people she has said she will continue to allow to die at the hands of our weapons and military.
Harris’ real challenge isn’t getting Trump voters to vote for her, is getting apathetic voters to go vote. And those voters are apathetic bc she keeps insisting that at best she’s gonna be like Biden whomst everybody hates, or she’s gonna be like Trump (at least on immigration) who they also hate.
She refuses to be progressive and bring change than wonder why people are apathetic. Under Biden, republicans already get everything they want so the excuse that Dems need to be in power for them to be stopped is demonstrably not true. Find smth else! This strategy hasn’t worked in 10 years!!!
And trump is a white supremacist yeah? Just had a rally that call puerto rico being a trash island yeah? Them joking to sllaughter everyone yeah? Or deporting other yeah? And why not voting against them yeah?
I did vote against him. Not going to knowingly vote for the continued destruction of a people though. Especially when I am contributing to it fiscally against my will.
If you don't have a red line that is on you and your soul. Not mine.
It's a bit complicated because Leftists only really have a slightly Right of Center party to vote for in order to defeat the Far Right party. At the same time, yeah it's a pretty clear path to not outright fascism. So it's complicated.
Fascism is wholesale massacre of one group, putting them in camps, treating them like 2nd class citizens and using military prowess to get your way.
Take a wild fucking guess if you have fascism now.
I just… I can’t. My brain breaks when I try to comprehend why anyone would vote for him. I just hope Kamala wins and he becomes irrelevant. But then again another sociopath would be put up to replace him.
Kamala has slim chance, due to her poor performances in debates and interviews. She doesn't exude confidence or competence.
Add to that; NO ONE voted for her.
She was just inserted by Dem handlers as a slightly more coherent than Biden shill.
She was a bad idea. Dems are their own worst enemy.
It doesn't matter who you vote for Palestine's getting fucked over
Would rather vote for someone who doesn't want the entire country's economy run by tariffs personally
I say maybe don't vote for either considering Palestine's "getting fucked over". Because you're literally choosing genocide.
As for the political side, well I would look real hard on everything Biden and Harris did before assuming Trump will be worse. But again, genocide.
As someone who’s friends with trans ppl and ppl with undocumented family members I would prefer to vote for a candidate that doesn’t want to start genocides here in the US!
Trump will help Isreal and ruin the lives of every minority group and women. He'll take down Palestine all the while destroying minorities lives. Harris being pro Isreali isn't ideal but she isn't going to be fucking up those who aren't white, straight and cis...
Didn't hate crimes amongst every single minority group spike during his presidency? Plus his strong close ties to Project2025/Heritage Foundation gives me the indication he is going to be worse than Biden/Kamala
Honestly I haven't considered hate crimes. I did however consider immigration, climate stuff especially fracking and COVID.
Plus, you know, genocide. The one thing that should matter but never does for y'all.
Also, he didn't undo the Muslim ban. In fact, he still uses it.
(You haven't considered Project2025 either). But no matter the person we're still going to be funding our biggest allies, which I truly hate that we're doing that. So, in the mean time we can try and focus on the ppl here.
Did you see Biden's immigration numbers? Did you see his fracking numbers? COVID deaths?
And that's just the politics side. All the while not providing a minimum wage increase, protecting LGBTQ+ rights, protecting abortion nor expanding the court.
Our electoral system doesn’t give us much of a choice. Also, you’re very naïve to think that it won’t be worse under Trump than it is currently. He has a town named after him in Israel and gave the largest aid package in history to Israel
The amount of lobbies that zionists have is formidable, especially for both sides of the corp party. For the Red regressives there's CUFI and ZOA. For the blue conservatives there is the one we always hear about, starting with the scarlet letter, but also there's the likes of Jstreet and DMFI.
Well to be fair to them, there's been quite a few registred republicans who have stated they're voting blue, and this is simply the people registred on each side already, so its not an accurate judgement of how things are going to go.
The last time this happened trump threw money around and won I don't think I can handle another 4 years 9f constantly worrying for my friends and families safety fuck ><
Hey, I saw this in 2022, South Korea. You wanna know how we lost our liberal candidate and let conservative president 20% of approval rating to mess the whole country up? 🫠
In a sane society the only way the tRump despot would be elected would be by being the only candidate and voting being mandatory. WTAF is going on America?
If I can assuage your fears a little bit there's been a lot of junk right wing polls flooding the Internet. Just in October alone, we've had a fuckton of not very credible polls skewing the results in Trump's favor, so those numbers are likely way the fuck off
To be fair, the latest polls are like 51 to 47, and I'm reasonably sure all the mass media polls are intentionally biased to favor a sellable horse race, so it's probably a bigger lead than 4%, I estimate like 5% to 7% (my money's on 7%) but it won't matter unless everyone votes like we're behind.
I voted yesterday, I’m in Texas so wish us luck, though a blue tide has been pushing into Texas so 🤞🤞🤞 seeing the entire state go blue last election even if for a brief moment gives me a lot of hope. BUT people need to go out and vote! Please take it serious, this is not a joke and never was.
It's false. They did the same thing last cycle with Trump. Every news outlet, left and right, all doctored their reporting to make it seem like the polls are closer than they really are. Despite every piece of data showing bigger Dem turnout than EVER before and Reps literally leaving the party.
I think they're over-correcting for the polling error in 2020, which had Biden like 8 points ahead when it actually turned out to be about 3 or less because they underestimated Trump's popularity then. Besides, polls never tell the whole story anyway (just look at the 2022 midterms, for example).
For context to my previous post, when Obama won over Mitt Romney, he won by 3.9 points which still equated to 8% of all Americans, which is 127 million votes. So points are a lot larger than we actually think they are
Yeah but realistically, a three-point lead is still a big lead. Not the same as an 8-point lead, obviously, but nonetheless, it was specifically when Trump was running before that they misrepresented how far the spread was until POST election results were in.
American here. I don't think it's going to make a difference who's in office.
The current administration hasn't done anything for Americans, Kamalla doesn't give me any confidence at all, and honestly (even though he can be radical) has plans.
Cop cities will still be built.
The wall will continue being built.
Israel will continue to have unlimited arms and money, to feed their ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.
Enabling the fracking industry in the face of mass weather disasters...
Cool, Trump will FastTrack all that while also doing everything in his power to make the lives of everyone but the straight wealthy white men as unlivable as possible, both here and abroad. Nobody involved in American politics will fix those issues overnight, nor can they, why let things get worse?
If you are only focused on issues you can't solve you won't ever help anyone, if you are so utterly convinced that both are the same on those issues then I'd suggest you would do more good by looking at the issues that differentiate them, otherwise having this conversation is pointless.
For real. Her campaign has been disastrous. She’s fully committed to abandon the millions of working class Americans who have real material issues and want progressive policies, to chase the average conservatives who find Trump annoying but hate countless minorities.
Oh fuck off. Anyone who chooses not to vote for Harris because of her stance on Israel is a goddamn moron. You think Trump is going to help the people of Gaza? His track record with Muslims isn't exactly great.
Trump: Will proudly help Israel kill Palestine even faster.
You: "The obvious solution is to do absolutely nothing and just let him win so that abortions and gay marriage aren't things that exist in America anymore among countless other atrocities."
Or have you forgotten his proposed Muslim ban on Muslims living here in the US?
Speaking of genocide, are you actually naive enough to think Trump isn't going to single-handedly commit several of those? Or do you just want him to win because you hate the same people he does?
I don't want him to win. What I want is for someone to successfully accomplish what Sandford, Crooks, and Routh failed to do.
This isn't about Trump. It's never been about Trump. But that's all you people can ever fucking think about - he lives rent free in your heads, apparently.
Your choices are a democracy or the Third Reich. Not voting is voting for the latter. He literally said more than once that will have the military kill people who speak out against him. I'm sorry that's the hand we were dealt, but sometimes there are no perfect solutions.
Yeah it's almost like lives are at stake. Yours very much included even if you can't comprehend it.
Do you not comprehend how dangerous America will be for literally everyone who's not a hetero white man if he wins? Or do you just not care because you think it won't apply to you somehow?
Uh-huh, and what do you think Trump's going to do again? He got pretty chummy with Israel while he was president.
Is your solution really going to be "not actually help Palestine while also not helping literally anyone else because America will become a fascist dictatorship"?
Every vote counts. Those who do nothing accomplish nothing, and those who refuse to take action and matters of oppression are choosing the side of the oppressor.
Well one or the other is getting picked. Since neither is going to stop the genocide, that is not a stake in the election. You have no other reasons to stop a fascist from being elected?
What makes harris a fascist? I honestly don't see it. I don't even see a dictator in her. Empire first, sure, and all the murder that comes with that. But that's the politics of an empire, there won't ever be an option that isn't that.
You're helping him get into power. You don't get to condescend when you're actively helping the guy who hates every demograph you just mentioned turn America into a dictatorship that will at best outlaw at worst kill those same demographs.
I can't force you to vote for Harris. But if you don't, and Trump wins, you're not welcome at the anti-Trump protests, because voting for Harris is the only way to stop Project 2025.
There is no "Nobody wins" option. One of the two is going to win, and our options are "Not doing enough to stop the genocide" and "Fully encouraging the genocide to go faster." That's your options.
I've always said I'd prefer someone bad at doing good than someone good at doing bad, what about you?
I'll always remember what Harris said when a student contorted her about funding genocide.
She said "I want the war to stop." She deflected him. She called it a "war." And how do you think she plans to help stop the "war?"
By funding Israel.
There is also her love of fracking (while we're told she is the climate change candidate, even though the arms her boss is selling/donating are even worse than fracking for the planet) Her very right wing border policy, her "we'll follow the law" on gender conversion, embracing Bush's cabinet...
And if trump is elected, he will support more genocide and minorities will be in more danger. Not voting hilary, look what happens, look at the suppreme court and the consequences. Just think about it.
one would think libs would learn not to be pr war pos when running but here we are, dems learning nothing and putting the whole thing at risk because they just really fucking love killing people. Don't learn from Biden, who also really liked killing people, but downplayed it. Just blame voters again
You don't get to us as an excuse to support genocide. I know full-well what Trump intends with Project 2025. My life is not worth a thousand dead Arab kids. I am not any more valuable than they are.
I will not support a genocidaire. I will not put my survival before that of thousands.
Your vote helps those you vote for, not those you don’t vote for. Hope I cleared it out for you.
They aren’t different anyways; They both have the same backers and they both make the same choices. Different characters, but they both pay to kill kids.
No, that’s what YOU’RE doing by lashing out at people who don’t support genocide rather than joining us to tell the dems supporting genocide is a vote killer
It's okay... AS LONG AS WE CHOOSE DEMOCRACY ffs - the rest of the world (places with elections, anyway) has to regularly make this kinda choice when oligarchs, corporations, et al get uppity: choose wisely and the land & citizens prosper, choose unwisely and All Is Lost.
YHWH's paganus origins (at least by name) as a warrior-storm deity. Regions in USA with high density of modern worshippers are more likely impacted by disastrous storms in the nation, yearly.
I'm not saying they had it coming. I'm really just noticing a point of irony.
It's always the Presbyterians!, leave us High Church Anglicans out of this, we're too busy being accused of being "Anglo-Catholics" by the fundamentalists and accosting innocent bystanders with the dreaded"Tea & Cake or Death?!" Question!.
1. It'd be 4% left over not 2 lmao
2. It's not measuring what % of the population voted, it's measuring what % of the voters voted for
3. So the missing 4% is for third parties
Correct but they were assuming that these stats were the final tally - I could have been more specific and stated that mail in ballots/early voting may be taking place already but the final deadline to vote has not passed yet. I thought about adding but I decided to leave it - well, here we are lmao
Eris is right, but not as right as they might think.
The 48/48 number does not mention non-voters, while these are a relevant part. A candidate might gain votes from _these_ just as well; not only from the others 48%. Non-voters (ie non-pollers) should be mentioned.
Bro like half the country doesn’t vote. This is probably out of those who do vote, or some sort of meme. I doubt this is accurate, not everyone has voted yet.
No these are just polls. Often from very small sample sizes and most from unfortunately very untrustworthy sources. Voting turnouts so far have been huge. Early voting started and several states like WA do mail in ballots.
Probably half the nation will vote ON Nov5
Most states allow mail in ballots or even in-person voting for weeks leading up to Election Day. I voted at my polling place two weeks ago in Virginia.
Pennsylvania, for example, has one-stop voting locations where you can simultaneously register and vote early. It only takes a few minutes.
The polls are misleading. Harris likely has a lead but these polls are conducted over the phone, and most people 40 and under don't like answering their phone for unknown numbers.
like 90% of arab voters for stein in addition to a lot more left wing voters, rfk had a decently sized campaign before he fell out and hes still on a lot of ballots, so maybe there too
And on top of that the polling data has been getting skewed to all hell and frankly I just don't want little Mr orange Hitler 2.0 winning for everyone's sake. If he wins, I am moving right out of here 💀💀💀
If he wins you're not going to move out, most people said that last time he won and they didn't follow through and move to Canada or whatever.
Also, "Mr orange Hitler" already served a term and wow would you look at that, our economy was stronger than ever. Also how is he hitler?
He literally is friends with 2 dictators and our economy spiked because of covid. He also has been proven to follow extreme ideologies that promote hate twords minorities of all kind. Also if a felon can't vote they shouldn't be able to run for president
The US isn’t more politically divided than other places. The difference is the political apparatus in the US kills all truly progressive would-be candidates so the people are artificially stuck with the plague or cholera which is why it’s so 50/50. Neither of them truly give what ppl want and need
freedom aint just speech its when more than just one half of the population can choose to do something as simple as take their shirt off in public w/o being arrested for the crime of having tits. amen 🙏
The majority of American voters are registered for one of two parties that is Right of Center. They aren't as politically divided as you think other than arguing over being full fascist or just Nixon-like.
It's only a close race because the media (especially FOX News) doesn't want to get on Trump's bad side. They're like, "If he did just that to the Capitol on January 6th, what's he going to do us?!" Besides, most of the polls are one-sided and aren't even real.
N.b. They should have let Harris run as president in the last election, not run 2nd fiddle to Biden, as a non US observer I still can't shake the belief the Democrats high ups want Hillary Clinton to run for president still
I WON !! THE ELECTIONS WERE RIGGED !! GREMLINS IN THE VOTING MACHINES !! MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL SPACE ALIENS VOTING !! STOP THE STEAL !! STOP THE COUNT !! SIT DOWN !! STAND UP !! SPIN AROUND !! IT'S A WITCHHUNT !! ZOMBIES FROM WITHIN !! THE ENEMIES OF AMERICA ARE IN MY PANTS !!
That's not the point. It's the fact that there's a lot of money placed by people with a lot more access to real data, internal polling, and information not skewed by the media.
Same people who pay 10's of thousands for inside information of corporations to pick stocks.
Look things are utter hell, but I can’t believe I’m saying this but people should vote for Kamala. It’s not because she’ll actually fix things, it’s because Kamala is the lesser evil, and there’s some actual good policies that might get passed to fix some of the issues we have right now.
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Ameri-centricism strikes again. I'm working on it.
I have to keep reminding myself of ALL the reasons this will be a #BlueTsunami!
J6, Docs case, GA call, abortion, #BenedictDonOld, #RepublicansForHarris, ....
Everything else is Marketing, Branding and lies.
And polls use outdated methods.
I literally see you in every post of thread that I see on twitter? lol.
Also, Biden/Harris were worse on immigration, climate, COVID and a few things vs Trump's admin but let's panic some more over orange man.
You're the ones making it about genocide.
It's about stopping facism from returning to the world less than a century after we dealt with it before.
Once that's under control, we can fix the rest.
We don't respect you all anymore either.
You realize I'm talking exclusively here about POC being massacred by White Supremacist policy yeah?
Yeah yeah yeah
it's like Pokemon at this point. gotta block em all...
If you don't have a red line that is on you and your soul. Not mine.
Take a wild fucking guess if you have fascism now.
Add to that; NO ONE voted for her.
She was just inserted by Dem handlers as a slightly more coherent than Biden shill.
She was a bad idea. Dems are their own worst enemy.
What happened to the other 4%
Would rather vote for someone who doesn't want the entire country's economy run by tariffs personally
As for the political side, well I would look real hard on everything Biden and Harris did before assuming Trump will be worse. But again, genocide.
Plus, you know, genocide. The one thing that should matter but never does for y'all.
Also, he didn't undo the Muslim ban. In fact, he still uses it.
"before assuming Trump will be worse" Clown, we've already seen him in action, on top of the policies he's currently pushing. It's not an assumption.
And that's just the politics side. All the while not providing a minimum wage increase, protecting LGBTQ+ rights, protecting abortion nor expanding the court.
And fuck harm reduction. Genocide = Nazi fascism.
praying for kamala to win from the other side of the world. if i could vote her, i would
The current administration hasn't done anything for Americans, Kamalla doesn't give me any confidence at all, and honestly (even though he can be radical) has plans.
The wall will continue being built.
Israel will continue to have unlimited arms and money, to feed their ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.
Enabling the fracking industry in the face of mass weather disasters...
At least with harris, you can pretend it's not.
You're not electing your champion, you're electing your opponent.
they were right; America is cooked
“Greetings my American friend, how’s the election going?”
“It’s still looking pretty even.”
“…HOW?”
Great picks we got.
If she loses it's entirely on her, not on the people who refuse to vote for genocide.
How convenient this doesn't seem to matter because she has a D next to her name instead of an R.
#BlueMAGA
Trump: Will proudly help Israel kill Palestine even faster.
You: "The obvious solution is to do absolutely nothing and just let him win so that abortions and gay marriage aren't things that exist in America anymore among countless other atrocities."
It's not the voters; it's the candidates. Blame the actual fucking people responsible you cowardly fuck.
Speaking of genocide, are you actually naive enough to think Trump isn't going to single-handedly commit several of those? Or do you just want him to win because you hate the same people he does?
This isn't about Trump. It's never been about Trump. But that's all you people can ever fucking think about - he lives rent free in your heads, apparently.
Do you not comprehend how dangerous America will be for literally everyone who's not a hetero white man if he wins? Or do you just not care because you think it won't apply to you somehow?
Is your solution really going to be "not actually help Palestine while also not helping literally anyone else because America will become a fascist dictatorship"?
Oh, but that ruins your narrative doesn't it? Oopsies!
Most though are either not voting or voting third party - as they should.
Yeah totally checks out. Glad we're going to lose democracy because people like you couldn't be bothered to think that one through.
Did you hit your head or something?
Fucking hell.
Genocide is fascism straight up.
Besides, I have doubts that our votes even matter.
https://www.25and.me/?topics=10#10
not voting is ALWAYS a bad idea.
Sorry. You have no excuse. Stop playing defense for genocidaire scum.
> trump is also doing that, but also hurting people here
"i refuse to vote for harris!" lol. retard.
I've always said I'd prefer someone bad at doing good than someone good at doing bad, what about you?
She said "I want the war to stop." She deflected him. She called it a "war." And how do you think she plans to help stop the "war?"
By funding Israel.
You don't get to us as an excuse to support genocide. I know full-well what Trump intends with Project 2025. My life is not worth a thousand dead Arab kids. I am not any more valuable than they are.
I will not support a genocidaire. I will not put my survival before that of thousands.
This is what you wanted, right
But please tell us how she's a friend to queers and immigrants. 🤪
They aren’t different anyways; They both have the same backers and they both make the same choices. Different characters, but they both pay to kill kids.
I’m not voting for no kid killer.
You may wanna have a word with some of the people that call themselves your followers.
I'm not saying they had it coming. I'm really just noticing a point of irony.
Because like 2% that haven't voted is like insanely small in comparison to switzerland where sometimes up to 10% don't vote
2. It's not measuring what % of the population voted, it's measuring what % of the voters voted for
3. So the missing 4% is for third parties
The 48/48 number does not mention non-voters, while these are a relevant part. A candidate might gain votes from _these_ just as well; not only from the others 48%. Non-voters (ie non-pollers) should be mentioned.
Probably half the nation will vote ON Nov5
Pennsylvania, for example, has one-stop voting locations where you can simultaneously register and vote early. It only takes a few minutes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_Nazi_rally_at_Madison_Square_Garden
Also, "Mr orange Hitler" already served a term and wow would you look at that, our economy was stronger than ever. Also how is he hitler?
TRUMP HITLER
TRUMP DESTROY FREEDOM
All the terrors people chanted last time, and none of them happened.
But you're right... Maybe he'll do it this time.
Ffs.
If anyone does, it'll be Kamala, as she panders to the "freedom loving" extreme leftists, who fully support all free speech!!
Unless it hurts someone's feelings.
Or is counter to their agenda.
Or says something "false" in their opinions.
Or or or.
So much attempt to silence.
They didn't actually use that, right?
What was that about universal human stupidity? Your own?
They don't care about biased polls.
Same people who pay 10's of thousands for inside information of corporations to pick stocks.
The point isn't about the stock market. It's about where people are betting big money based on their info and not about simping.