While Trump cuts Ukraine funding, Orban is effectively vetoing European efforts to make up for it. Trump acts as Putin's puppet in the White House. Orban acts as his puppet within the EU. www.politico.eu/newsletter/b... - ThreadSky

iandunt.bsky.social • 12 hours ago

While Trump cuts Ukraine funding, Orban is effectively vetoing European efforts to make up for it. Trump acts as Putin's puppet in the White House. Orban acts as his puppet within the EU.

https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/brussels-playbook/trump-pulls-ukraine-aid/

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alrad.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Surely it’s beyond time to enact article 7 on Hungary.
Would it get a unanimous vote?
They should certainly be lobbying hard for it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_7_of_the_Treaty_on_European_Union

daveoleary.bsky.social•10 hours ago

He’s always had an ally to block the (fully justified) use of this mechanism - once Poland, now Slovakia.

Time for a workaround through enhanced cooperation of willing member states (and non-member states).

roymotteram.bsky.social•10 hours ago

The possibility of having 2 rogue member states is the flaw in Article 7.
The belief that a rogue member state would turn itself around has always held the EU back from doing what it should when there was only 1 rogue.

roymotteram.bsky.social•9 hours ago

A 2 third majority ought to be enough. Too late to rewrite it. Until 1 of the rogue states turns itself around.

roymotteram.bsky.social•9 hours ago

Of course, once one of the rogues has turned around, they will no longer see the necessity of fixing A7 🙄

annemiekvanmoorst.bsky.social•3 hours ago

We can just throw him out. That's what they should do. Let him go to court. That will take time plus possibility to change the rules for this type of treason.

mynameisalexp.bsky.social•8 hours ago

I don't think he will be tolerated for much longer

benfranklinskite.bsky.social•9 hours ago

Trump cannot legally do that
It was appropriated by Congress

https://resist.bot/petitions/PCPZFB

caughtinthespin.bsky.social•11 hours ago

It is now time to stop buying anything American as difficult as that will be. We don’t have to buy anything new American if we put effort into it. America is a traitor to the world. It’s time for the world to stand up to Trump. He only understands money

craigf-m.bsky.social•12 hours ago

I’m a diehard Rejoiner but I’m afraid that this exposes a major structural flaw in the EU.

thearmando24.bsky.social•11 hours ago

Hungary is inviting its of “Hungexit”. Let’s hope it happens soon.

charlieturner66.bsky.social•11 hours ago

The EU does not have to make up for lost American aid. Individual EU member states can supply any amount of weaponry they want.

malcolmsleath.bsky.social•11 hours ago

The problem is the top end stuff which, I understand, has to be bought in from the USA (according to a BBC defence correspondent yesterday).

With Trump in the White House...

8tacocat8.bsky.social•10 hours ago

The problem is stuff which requires Trump's permission to be used.

lesleya.bsky.social•10 hours ago

So do we continue to uphold agreements while he continues to break them?

malcolmsleath.bsky.social•10 hours ago

It's not about agreements, it's about leverage. That's what will be occupying European minds right now.

lesleya.bsky.social•10 hours ago

Agree. However I am struck by the way we get stuck upholding agreements when others don’t.

charlieturner66.bsky.social•9 hours ago

One thing Europeans can do is deport all Russians. All of them.

8tacocat8.bsky.social•10 hours ago

We can assume that US-supplied strategic weapons can be rendered non-operational on Trump's command - unless of course there is a military coup in the US.

I assume 'we' means the UK has no option but toe the line on Trump's demands for those weapons.

lesleya.bsky.social•10 hours ago

I hope you’re right.

8tacocat8.bsky.social•10 hours ago

Will the US Military accept that Russia is now their friend and Europe is their enemy? I think that's a bridge too far, which makes a military coup in the US a possibility.

smudkicker.bsky.social•10 hours ago

Hungary needs to be expelled from the EU (says the man no longer in the EU 😢)

johngraham-hart.bsky.social•10 hours ago

Hungary needs kicking out of the EU. They don't share EU values and just leech off the budget. You'd have thought they'd have remembered that Russia is not their friend.

caroline-too.bsky.social•12 hours ago

The existence of a substantial fifth column within Europe has always been the big worry of our response to Putin. Sadly, it’s not only Orban 😞

ianmayo.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Yes - and that's the reason behind the creation of "the coalition of the willing".

Note: this strategy also allowed the inclusion of Canada.

jmolofsson.bsky.social•11 hours ago

And Norway, if we can convince them!

And Turkey, if Erdoğan deems it to be in his interest.

cornish-sparky.bsky.social•10 hours ago

Seems it's easier to leave than it is to get someone out from within

We could invoke Article 7, but Orban knows the Slovaks won't vote for it, so he can consistently put the🖕up to the rest of the EU and meddle with Ukrainian support plans

Starmer was right, it's up to individual nations to push on

tim0.bsky.social•8 hours ago

🇪🇺 Hungary OUT 🇪🇺

🇪🇺 Ukraine IN 🇪🇺

🇪🇺 UK REJOIN 🇪🇺

sickofelon.bsky.social•6 hours ago

Make calls every day #5calls
Capitol Switchboard (202) 224-3121
Attend town hall meetings
letters-boycott-strike-blackouts
#Bluestormrising #resist
#dumptrump #banelonmusk
#cancelelonmusk #taxbillionaires
#DontDefundPublicSchools

catiomiles.bsky.social•10 hours ago

Oh, well.

I remember when previous UK prime ministers such as Cameron and Johnson have cultivated and allied themselves with Orban against EU unity.

ada-l.bsky.social•10 hours ago

If the EU have the power to do it, he should be ejected.

jockyfox.bsky.social•10 hours ago

DG has it spot on 👇🏼

ada-l.bsky.social•10 hours ago

This isn't even slightly insightful. We all know this is pantomime, but we have to play along until the worlds knows it too. Hopefully we are at that stage now.

judisutherland.bsky.social•4 hours ago

I thought this was all going to be done on majority decisions.

ne63.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Time to throw Hungary out of the EU?

daveoleary.bsky.social•10 hours ago

Time to kick him out or at least cut him (and Fico) out.

Europe can find a way - the situation is too serious to tolerate Putin apologists any longer.

purplelarley.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Hence Starmer saying they can't work at the slowest country's pace. Need to work around Orban instead of with him.

skulking-loafer.bsky.social•10 hours ago

Why is Hungary in the EU?

beatraxa.bsky.social•10 hours ago

European countries need to understand that Trumputin will not stop. If we allow them this, they will keep going and hold Europe to ransom. Baltics next.

bevjohnst.bsky.social•12 hours ago

How does Orban have this power?

8tacocat8.bsky.social•8 hours ago

Orban is a carcinoma. Excise it before it kills the EU.

scm.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Time to stop playing by the rules. They don’t. Boot the fucker out.

garethcolwell.org•12 hours ago

Orban and Fico can GTFO. They should be feeling the heat, not providing the mood music. Shit has got real.

unicornistcake.bsky.social•7 hours ago

celticdolphin.bsky.social•11 hours ago

You mean to tell me we have actually found a reason not to be in the EU?

faithevans.bsky.social•7 hours ago

Ooh https://bsky.app/profile/stevepeers.bsky.social/post/3ljkadfcqv22b

rolandbutter.bsky.social•11 hours ago

The EU needs to take a tougher line with recalcitrant member states.

sam-carlisle.bsky.social•11 hours ago

They need to kick Hungary out of the EU or find some device to hobble him.

ianpethick.bsky.social•10 hours ago

The EU hating mob within the Tories and Reform must be kicking themselves. They could have stayed in, kept their MEP's salaries and caused mayhem from within the institutions they loathe.

beejay824.bsky.social•10 hours ago

Why? as we see orban consistently try to destabilise Europe is he not thrown out of EU.He's putins poodle we know so will someone explain why Hungary is still there?

hawksland.bsky.social•2 hours ago

The trouble is the Putin proxies are everywhere

michaellgibbons.bsky.social•9 hours ago

Could EU nations circumnavigate Orban by “gifting” the same supplies and finances to the UK who is outside of the EU structure, Starmer can then in turn deliver what is needed to Ukraine?

daveacoley.bsky.social•11 hours ago

We are playing by the rules against a team who breaks all of the rules.

garygasman.bsky.social•7 hours ago

Time to expel Hungary from the EU?

jimsdouglas.bsky.social•12 hours ago

A Putin loyalist inside the E.U. can’t be sustainable. They need to find a way to kick him out.

donnarejoin.bsky.social•10 hours ago

And let us (UK) back in.

misterdac.bsky.social•10 hours ago

As soon as the UK accepts to be one MS among the others.

jimbobuk.bsky.social•7 hours ago

Suspend Hungary?

rotortorture.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Orban’s Hungary is one of Europe’s 5th colonists. Needs to be heavily sanctioned as the enemy within they are.

rotortorture.bsky.social•3 hours ago

*columnists damnit

jon-the-aaa1.bsky.social•11 hours ago

Just eject Orban. Enough of this psychotwat

jennifereccles.bsky.social•11 hours ago

Offer Putin Hungary in exchange for freeing Ukraine.

sandramaydogs.bsky.social•10 hours ago

It is high time Orban was told to fuck off, his right to veto no longer exists, FOM is suspended for Hungary and no further EU money or resources will be wasted on him. Or just expel him from the EU permanently with immediate effect.

charliemuffin.bsky.social•43 minutes ago

Hopefully the EU will grow some balls and throw Hungary out
In fact replace them with Ukraine
And that should go to any EU country with we love Putin badges on.
Then sanction & put tarrifs up to 30% on every thing
Not something I'd want to do but I am sick to death of this hard right wing tosser

sparrowphil.bsky.social•11 hours ago

rojoguitarster.bsky.social•11 hours ago

Suspend Hungary's EU membership.

djaymanic.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Kick hungry out, uk can take its place

azed.bsky.social•11 hours ago

If the UK still doesn’t recognise the need to be part of the EU then I’m sure that Ukraine will happily take its place

franks67.bsky.social•11 hours ago

I disagree. At this moment the UK can do more good from outside.

jmolofsson.bsky.social•11 hours ago

There is nothing wrong with optimism!

Unless a totally new EU were to be created, excluding several countries at the same time, there will be no way for the UK to rejoin hastily. There will always be someone to veto, e.g. because the Kremlin asks them to.

atnb.bsky.social•3 hours ago

Our movement might be something you want to check out.

nicolekidmansnose.bsky.social•11 hours ago

Creating the current EU took decades of negotiations, it's not going anywhere anytime soon.

jmolofsson.bsky.social•11 hours ago

It's not going to happen. At least not in foreseeable time.
The sooner everyone realizes that, the better.

Please fasten your seatbelt. We have a little turbulence ahead!

alisoncitrine.bsky.social•9 hours ago

Time to kick Orban out !!! He's their man on inside, time for playing nice is over

ehijacked.bsky.social•7 hours ago

He is not a European. He’s Putin’s puppet & a greedy grifter like trump. He is another Farage & only stays in the EU to take its money. The EU should throw him out.

andrewcrompton.bsky.social•11 hours ago

Expel Hungary from the EU now.

kappacino1.bsky.social•10 hours ago

Suspend them until they reflect the values of the EU, probably after Orban is retired.

profsensible.bsky.social•2 hours ago

Time for majority voting in the EU. And expel Hungry.

deadstick.bsky.social•11 hours ago

Hungary; confidently on the wrong side of history since 1914👌

vambomarbleeye.bsky.social•3 hours ago

Time to suspend Hungary and end all EU funding.

annemiekvanmoorst.bsky.social•3 hours ago

Yes indeed. Article 7 will not work but just throw them out. We are in a war. No time to loose. Let Orban (and Fico) go to court to object. That will take considerable time and they might loose plus we can get the rules changed.

daviddeanrobbins.bsky.social•2 hours ago

This 👆...

kentindell.bsky.social•11 hours ago

Either topple Orban or expel Hungary.

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