How about let parents choose whether or not to vaccinate their children.
Those who don’t can watch their children suffer and die….leave the rest of our children the fuck alone!!
As it stand now….unvaccinated children can’t attend public school.
I had to bring in my kids vaccination records ever….single….school …year! They had it on record, but those were the rules, so I complied
My daughter is a kindergarten teacher and gets sick constantly from stuff the kids to school. She’s had Covid three times. In 2022 all the staff in the room and 50% of the kids got it the first week
My vaccinated daughter has had Covid twice….but both mild cases. I’m her roommate….im vaccinated and have never had Covid.
But this is about banning polio vaccines….Good God!
I’m not saying it’s a good idea……my point is that banning vaccines is ridiculous…..taking vaccines from the entire population is criminal, evil and fucking cruel
Actually a bad idea and that's not how vax works. We need to achieve a herd immunity to cover for casses of primary or secondary vax failure, which always happens. If not enough big part of the population would be vaxed, the vaxed ones would need to get re-vaxed every X years to stay protected.
Yes. The polio vax prevents people to enjoy life in iron lungs. How bad.
I wonder if the effect of polio vax lasts all life or it's a decade or two like some others. If it's the latter, with these idiots around you might start to think about re-vaxing.
Thanks. I was afraid of that. If I ever need to visit the US, I'll go fo re-vax. I guess that if idiocy takes definitively over, USA will join the list of places like African countries, where European travellers need to get a bunch of vaccines before travel in order not to bring some shit back.
I think it would be better to educate people on how vaccines work and help these parents understand that one of the reasons we don’t see children suffering and dying from these diseases is because of the benefits of herd immunity.
BTW, I agree with you……but we’re talking about MAGA here…..they resist education….follow their supreme leader …..when their children start getting sick, and dying….maybe then they’ll learn
If so they would need to be kept away from infants, old people and those who can’t be vaccinated. I’m not against them being quarantined forever but a bit difficult to manage.
Exactly…..keep those kids home…..lonely….unsocialized…..it’s child abuse and those parents shouldn’t be allowed to have children if they insist on putting them in danger
Senator elect Banks says the United States “is ready for a big debate about vaccines”. He must not know that that debate is over. The science is clear, beginning with Jonas Salk producing the polio vaccine through our recent bout with Covid. What is wrong with these people risking American lives?
If you’re a f***ing anti-science moron, you might think there’s some debate. Half a million children died from polio in the 20th century before the vaccine was created. Many more were disabled for life, and the US doesn’t have universal healthcare.
1 million unvaccinated children died every year from the measles. I am deaf in one ear because I had the measles before the vaccine was developed. Y’all can f*** off with your abject stupidity.
I suppose you think it’s the will of your imaginary sky fairy that children suffer and die. Your sky fairy doesn’t exist. Who exists are evil people like you, who can prevent suffering and death, and don’t.
Vaccines safely TRAIN our own immune systems to fight these very serious diseases, without making us deathly ill. If you didn’t fail your science classes, you’d know that.
That’s exactly what they’re saying. Do away with EPA standards for air, water, vehicles, land, food, drugs, and safety standards for workers all in the name of their f*cking money. Republicans care nothing for any of us.
When they say "debate" they mean "opportunity to propagandise and sane-wash their efforts at yet more grift". As always, in order to determine intent, look at who benefits.
I can’t believe MSM is not refuting/rebutting these fcking morons! How stupid do you have to be to not know vaccines work!! Do they literally want to kill Americans en masse now to collect their money after they die to line their pockets! Fcking abysmal!!! You should feel very ashamed America!!!
"RFKJR is one of the major figures in the Kennedy family"
Really?
Kerry Kennedy, RFK Jr.’s sister: “separate and disassociate myself from Robert Kennedy Jr. and his flagrant and inexplicable effort to desecrate and trample and set fire to my father’s memory.”
NO! No this country does not need to debate vaccines!!! Vaccines save lives. Period. End of debate. His the he’ll is this where we are in (almost) 2025????!?!!!!
It's weird because this talk eventually leads to vaccines not being made at all, so he can risk 1 in 2 chance that bird flu will kill him in the next year or two? He's not thinking that far ahead in the game is he...
It was so disappointing that with a slate of awesome women candidates, including doctors, teachers, coaches, etc, Indiana chose “interracial marriage should be left to the states” Braun, Jim Banks, Rudy Yakym, and so many other shamefully ignorant white “businessmen”.
I hear you. Banks is a dangerous idiot, and it's hard to believe he and Braun won so handily. Free and fair election my ass. Then again, misogyny and racism are heady drugs here in IN and for Republican voters in general.
The “Democratic stronghold” of South Bend wasn’t what it used to be. Having some ecology-ignorant, pro-business, mildly corrupt, gaslighting local elected Dems hasn’t helped, nor has the erosion of public education and increasing administrative & logistical & caretaking burdens on families.
We definitely are not. Vaccines weren’t available for measles, mumps, chicken pox etc. when I was young. I had them all & it was horrible. Almost died with measles. Unbelievable how ignorant people are. They need to get some of these diseases & see how they feel about it.
After measles, I recall my skin peeling off like a snake’s, maybe from fever. And still recall the torture of the itching of chicken pox. I was lucky, no polio. My cousin got it, still in a wheelchair. She’s about 50 lbs.
My mom put me in my little white Easter gloves to go to bed. That way if I scratched I my sleep I wouldn't make scars from the scabs. I'm Gen X. Most baby Boomers and Silent Gen have a chicken pox mark somewhere visible on the face or upper torso.
It was really common and normal to me -- seeing grown ups and older kids with scars. I even recall teachers (I mean you stare at them all day so it is noticeable.) I wonder what the Instagram generation will do? Plastic surgery? And with no ability to hope for childcare help parents will miss work!
I got chicken pox and measles -- and somehow scarlet fever in late 60s early 70s. Surprised I didn't get the mumps. Some kids were still getting that disease when I was very young. Yes, and calamine lotion all over. Miserable!!
Big whoop his name is Kennedy. That name is not on a medical diploma. The man is a fruit cake, and Dump is a moron. Maybe when they start killing their children with horrible diseases, they will wake up.
What a disgraceful, spineless bootlicker.
“…ready for a debate about vaccines”, WHO is saying that?! Name one constituent! This just asking questions/having a debate bullshit is going too far
If we won't lift a finger to protect children from gun violence, might as well unnecessarily subject them to painful, debilitating and often fatal diseases as well. Can't wait for that "debate" full of, "thoughts and prayers" and, "too soon to politicize".
From Europe, the unscientific, uneducated, simplistic stupidity of this is hard to understand. It's like America is learning backwards. Un-learning, so to speak.
'...unique and diverse..." sounds like coward speak for "unhinged". What are they gaining by undermining vaccines? If you stop preventing disease you could make money from treating the fallout but surely nobody is that inhumane? Would Banks ban polio vax from his children and grandchildren?
Let’s return to 19th century healthcare & subsequent death rates for children-this time from preventable diseases! Watch as autism rates do not decline!
If he effs around with the Covid vaccine so insurance won’t cover it a lot of people are going to be eff’d because it’s really expensive out of pocket.
I was shocked at how much $$ they were when I was between policies once.
I prefer Moderna, this year my insurance would only cover Pfizer, so I had to pay $200 out of pocket. I'm sure they would be glad not to even cover Pfizer.
Antivax disinformation isn't new. However, it is and has always been evil. Here's an example of what polio did to countless children prior to the creation of the vaccine.
There is no debate on science and medicine that has proven over decades to work. Who wants polio? We have some crazy people here that should not be leading our country.
Well, it looks like the US maybe an excellent example of how well vaccines work over the next 4 years as the rates could explode as vaccines get banned
I feel desperately sorry for those who die or are permanently harmed though
Unfortunately I am expecting them to stop reporting so we don’t know. They started taking down information during his last term that was negative. Texas has stopped the maternal mortality committee from reviewing deaths. So I think they just won’t report it or provide the data so we can.
The ruling class is ALWAYS gonna have their vaccines. They always gonna eat their junk food, too. They're always going to do any type of drug whenever THEY want.
They just want the less advantaged to die off so there are more resources for THEM, that's the bottom line.
Unfortunately my younger boss who is 64, didn’t know what iron lungs were when I mentioned them. She’s educated, her mom was a teacher. Guess Americans have a tendency to forget bad stuff quickly.
We had the debate already. Many times. They fucking work, so well, in fact, that a bunch of idiots that should probably be dead live long, healthy lives they take for granted and resent the little needle prick they have to get once in awhile.
RFK’s comms person said we need more testing on polio vax. It’s been around for 70 years and since then the number of polio cases has gone down 99%. You can’t make up this level of stupidity
Huge global data ! The European region has been declared polio-free since 2002 thanks to vaccination . Rich folks need to cut down on the cocaine before blaming vaccination on their personal issues .
Are all Republicans this ignorant, uneducated, and just plain stupid. Is this what maga morons want, a bunch of diseases killing, crippling, deforming their children as well as causing life long medical problems for them.
One of DT nominees was responsible for the faux science named “The Great Barrington Declaration” which advocated for infecting children to spread the virus in the community, claiming that children would not die.
In 2014, the same year that Putin decided to invade Ukraine and invest 300 million interfering in elections in 25 countries he also started the disinformation campaign on measles vaccine and autism. This tactic targeted the wellness community
By targeting the wellness community they were primed to distrust them. The pandemic was a gift to them as they set off a depopulation bomb in advanced societies. That led to the creation of the “Q” conspiracies.
The disinformation about MMR vaccines causes autism was started by Andrew Wakefield's fake research in the 1990s. Wakefield was finally struck off in 2010, but the damage was done by then. Doubtless Putin has had a hand in keeping the disinformation going.
60% of children died before the age of five. WHO estimates that 150 million lives have been saved in the last 50 years because of the miracle of vaccines
Another aspect of the anti science movement is that malign influences want to make people mistrust vaccines as there’s no better way to destroy a country is to kill and disable people. This is a RU “Active Measure”. Google “Operation Infektion”
Wow. I cannot imagine. I was born in 1954 shortly before the polio vaccine came out. RFK jr wants to revoke the approval of the vaccine. What the hell is wrong with him?? I’m glad my
grandchildren have been vaccinated. I’m so afraid of all this madness.
Excess deaths worldwide from COVID is estimated to be 30-33 million. That’s going to affect labor shortages from now on. Add 10-15% of those who have gotten it, are suffering from Long COVID. We have no idea what the long term impact of COVID in children. A major issue is loss of IQ points
Pandemics change history. The Justinian plague contributed to the collapse of the Byzantine empire. The Black Death which was thought to have killed 1/2 of Europe’s population. The Spanish Flu 50-100 million
I read some great books when it first hit. Two were on Spanish Flu. The John Barry book #1 recommendations was that the public needed the unvarnished truth
This man teaches a course on Pandemics at Yale. He’s a MD, a historian and a sociologist. He tracked pandemics in history going back 2 thousand years and studying literature
“But Covid is the sniffles and you can’t make me take precautions for the good of all!”
Peeps are so selfish and don’t believe when a pandemic is literally happening because it’s so inconvenient!
The history of vaccines goes back to 1790 when the smallpox vaccine was introduced. George Washington mandated his troops be vaccinated to keep them battle ready
I wouldn't. The covid vaccine doesn't fully vaccinate you, you can still catch it, also not everyone is getting the vaccine, whole age groups are left out and finally Covid is still rampant we better pray for no nasty variants anytime soon.
One of the reasons that we won the revolutionary war was because Washington had his troops vaccinated against smallpox when vaccines were still "experimental".
This is a basic graphic showing how vaccines work to immunise a population. The lower the vaccination rates the easier it is for the disease to spread. I'm sure you're aware. I wish more would try to understand, especially that f*cker jfk jr.
No, but it’s ok if MAGA doesn’t want to. There are people who remember Polio! Measles, Even Flu!! I’m ok with Republicans getting Shingles!! The rest of us will get immunized!
What our country is ready to have a debate about is why 50% of the country thinks if you get rid of vaccines, fluoridated water, pasteurization, daylight savings time, trans people, and immigrants, that the US will be some utopian dream. It’s not a dream. It’s a delusion.
Meanwhile, no one’s talking about climate change or the oligarch plundering of America or the fact the pitchforks are taking down democracy because their life has been sh*t under it since the 1980s.
As an applied physicist, Daily Savings was man-made and designed by Franklin to generate more productivity hours for owners. There is zero scientific value in it. That one should be off your list. The rest is spot on.
💯 This is what I thought after reading about ‘circadian rhythm disruptions’ caused by DST. These articles also say CRD is caused by traveling through different time zones (vacations), staying out too late (partying) and getting up too early (like getting up to go to work). Utopia vs real world.
While my initial reaction to this crap is to say "let the idiots stop vaccinating, and Darwin will take over". But then my brain takes over in ways that these fools can't comprehend, and I understand that this affects EVERYONE.
What's next, a debate on breathing oxygen? Or maybe a debate on dropping toasters into a bath?
There does not need to be a debate on something that has proven its value
Laymen and uneducated: Vaxes are baaad because I can't understand them! VOODOO! Here's a wordpress site with evidence by BadVaxes88 that proves science wrong!
Scientists: No, they're perfectly safe and fine, we have decades of evidence
Nope. But I am sure as Hell ready for a big debate on the profound ignorance of our elected officials. Bring it on. These idiots have never looked at real data... they just make shit up and their idiot followers lap it up like honey.
Oh good. Next week can debate cancer treatments, and interventions for heart disease. Maybe then we can move onto proper engineering design for Highway overpasses. This is all gonna be a lot of fun.
So look on one level I little time for the stupid who don’t believe in vaccines get sick and die, however when they threaten to remove the ability of sane persons to obtain vaccines then my blood boils!
What is wrong with these people...do they think the vaccines grew out of a MAGA hat and just happened to stop the diseases they are ment for?? Science matters!
The next 4 years (at least) will consist of fascist dumbfucks trying to prove that their ignorance is just as good as policies implemented by people who know what they're doing.
And failing. Spectacularly. And harming (and sometimes killing) a lot of innocent bystanders in the process.
There is no debate about vaccines. It’s science. They work. It’s knowledge vs ignorance. It’s similar to science vs the geocentric or heliocentric universe.
Then we shouldn't have insane medical insurance issues if they are refusing all medical care no matter the condition, right? Like they're not allowed to go to drs for anything by their logic, which maybe good since wait times are too long and social darwinism?
20 years ago we killed critical thinking, logic, and civics classes from our schools and instituted a program of just repetition and memorization. In parallel, we built a media based on repeating conservative messages over and over in service of the corporations/politicians that own the outlets.
Debate?! Fuck that creepy Hoosier bastard. There is no debate. Could've had Valerie McCray, but NOOOOOOOOO!!!! Keep being stupid, Indiana, I disown your stupid asses. Pete left too. Anybody with any sense does.
Not interested in non-scientists and non-medical experts opinions on vaccines. We're not surveying the room for which pizza toppings to order for a pizza party.
Banks continues, “This country is also ready for a big debate about Newton’s Laws of Physics. Those same Big Science Based companies that push vaccines push those ideas as well.”
OK, the next time I travel from Australia to visit my family, I will request every booster that I can get. I can imagine my doctor's reaction, "What exotic destinations are you travelling to?" "Detroit and Denver"
Yes are boosted. I was exposed to a teen who had it (they were vaccinated when little but not boosted). Luckily I maintain my tDAP boosters … also took a short course of meds as a precaution and didn’t get it
RFK Jr IS a medical professional because he's, uh, read about stuff and written some stuff, and uh...oh, yeah, his name sometimes makes people take him seriously.
They would already have a reality TV show if any of them thought the earth was really flat.
They know its not...same as they know that aliens aren't real, Bigfoot doesn't exist, etc.
If any of them believed any of that, financing for expeditions would be easy for them to secure
It will not be limited to one set of "scientific" facts...
I'm sure there will be many facts discussed. Mostly all the alternative ones.
And then the scientific facts will be trashed as coming from "so called experts". And when the scientists bring out all their "science" no one will care
If 50% of the country wants to get rid of vaccines, the other 50% doesn’t. The antivax doesn’t weigh heavier. Actually, science outweighs the nonsense. If they choose to not vaccinate, so be it. But the rest of us aren’t questioning science.
The only problem RFK as head at HHS can take away govt mandate and payments for vaccines. The poor will be the ones who will suffer because vaccines will be unaffordable for their kids.
Bring back whooping cough! Let's give doctors far more work than they have right now. Think it's hard finding a primary care provider now? Just wait...
The mortality statistics for Red states that have banned abortion is being withheld from the public’s view. It is being falsified as we speak.
Who thinks the mortality rate of infants will get reported correctly??
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Ortique didn’t discuss the recently reported Texas deaths, but did address the fallout from similar reporting in Georgia. After ProPublica reported on two pregnancy-related deaths the Georgia maternal mortality committee deemed preventable, the state dismissed all members of the committee.
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Those who don’t can watch their children suffer and die….leave the rest of our children the fuck alone!!
I had to bring in my kids vaccination records ever….single….school …year! They had it on record, but those were the rules, so I complied
But this is about banning polio vaccines….Good God!
I wonder if the effect of polio vax lasts all life or it's a decade or two like some others. If it's the latter, with these idiots around you might start to think about re-vaxing.
R politicians dance around the edges of problems so their voters can pretend they are engaged in healthcare solutions.
https://www.uncovered.health/evidence/yet-another-health-insurance-company-is-using-ai-to-deny-medical-claims/
Really?
Kerry Kennedy, RFK Jr.’s sister: “separate and disassociate myself from Robert Kennedy Jr. and his flagrant and inexplicable effort to desecrate and trample and set fire to my father’s memory.”
FAFO.
What a weird cult 🙄
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Kids, there was a time when conservatism was about stability…not “let’s break it and see what happens.”
Why?
Because Polio was eradicated in the US by vaccination!
How can we effectively shout down these idiots???
This is an example of the GOP attempting to rationalize the absurdity.
The idiots have taken over.
“…ready for a debate about vaccines”, WHO is saying that?! Name one constituent! This just asking questions/having a debate bullshit is going too far
Fuck all these people.
I was shocked at how much $$ they were when I was between policies once.
I think it was $800 for one or two vaccinations that time I was in between policies.
I feel desperately sorry for those who die or are permanently harmed though
But I guess if you can't believe in it then you will work to cover it up
I hope you are right that they continue to have to report at least to them.
Smallpox
Polio
Human influenza if a new strain
SARS
They just want the less advantaged to die off so there are more resources for THEM, that's the bottom line.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Lillard
https://counterdisinformationproject.substack.com/p/the-pandata-file
https://hub.jhu.edu/2018/08/24/russian-trolls-bots-spread-vaccine-misinformation/
Russia kicked our ass without a single bullet.
https://youtu.be/tR_6dibpDfo?si=s1ZHcn3kMsoWttya
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20211112-the-people-with-immune-amnesia
grandchildren have been vaccinated. I’m so afraid of all this madness.
Peeps are so selfish and don’t believe when a pandemic is literally happening because it’s so inconvenient!
Maybe it’s just not a great idea RFK JR.
What are the rates of vaccinations in those areas? Is there a direct correlation between lower vaccinations and the increase in cases?
That's all those fools care about is bitcoin profiterring.
There does not need to be a debate on something that has proven its value
Laymen and uneducated: Vaxes are baaad because I can't understand them! VOODOO! Here's a wordpress site with evidence by BadVaxes88 that proves science wrong!
Scientists: No, they're perfectly safe and fine, we have decades of evidence
And failing. Spectacularly. And harming (and sometimes killing) a lot of innocent bystanders in the process.
Buckle in.
A+ work. Truly.
Ducking assholes.
They know its not...same as they know that aliens aren't real, Bigfoot doesn't exist, etc.
If any of them believed any of that, financing for expeditions would be easy for them to secure
They don't want to reinvest that taxpayer money into communities, so that taxpayers recieve the benefit of their own money.
The taxpayers get bootstraps, rugged individualism and empty pockets.
I'm sure there will be many facts discussed. Mostly all the alternative ones.
And then the scientific facts will be trashed as coming from "so called experts". And when the scientists bring out all their "science" no one will care
Escaped from custody twice too
Who thinks the mortality rate of infants will get reported correctly??
Ortique didn’t discuss the recently reported Texas deaths, but did address the fallout from similar reporting in Georgia. After ProPublica reported on two pregnancy-related deaths the Georgia maternal mortality committee deemed preventable, the state dismissed all members of the committee.