ok so!!! something I found really interesting after talking to Korean protesters was... well, it was actually me realizing something about protest in the US: protest is trapped in an unwinnable spiral about "peaceful" versus "violent" protest, and even people
who know it's dumb can't break free
who know it's dumb can't break free
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ICE must be destroyed 🏴
Deeply weird seeing people try to paint the protests in South Korea as family friendly parties when the one that stopped the original coup featured girls doing karate moves on riot cops and guys in the legislature spraying special forces units with fire extinguishers
Moreover, ICE must be destroyed
Moreover, ICE must be destroyed
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Want NV? Cool, figure out how to make it hit power’s wallets. Otherwise, it’s the latter.
Specific manufacturers targeted: eg Tesla, Elon owned, arms makers, healthcare HQs.
Harass bad people at home: noise makes folks sleep like shit, doxxing feels vulnerable, etc.
But, did it REALLY get the W bc here we are… 🤷♂️
Suffragettes beat the brakes off men.
The 40hour work week and unionization literally involved disgruntled workers torching factories.
Slavery needed a civil war, and in Haiti Nat Turner to massacre every white man, woman, and child.
Literally, nothing is holding white people back.
Certainly not police violence.
Maybe it seems too hard to do without Black human targets on the ground with USA white folks?
Lose lose.
It is astonishing to see just how much all of this is about messaging consistently, whether it's truth or outright lies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Defense_of_Looting
https://www.rutgersuniversitypress.org/when-riot-cops-are-not-enough/9780813583730/
But the rest of me wants to fucking burn some shit, and toss some bodies into the flames.
The focus is in the people talking non-violence, like King Jr and Gandhi, but there was violence surrounding both of those movements.
Non-violence only works when there is a real violent option for government to fear.
I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings, kid.
I know, because I have read up on it for over three decades.
The civil rights movement in the US was not purely peaceful, neither the independence movement in India.
Once something succeedes the focus goes to the non-violence, and that is deliberate, because it is ineffective.
The FBI and the DC cops would have cracked down on it, but it wasn't tried. And I agree our focus on violent/nonviolent status didn't help.
Why isn’t that happening in this weekend’s protetsts? What word is missing from this weekend’s protests? BLACK
The civil […]
MLK clamped down on that in the civil rights era. No one was allowed to fight back. And it worked.
The important thing in the US right now is for people to join a march (on a weekly basis if possible) and for that violence is a no-no.
Koreans protested and occupied spaces for days on end. That is not "safe" that is highly disruptive.
and we keep being peaceful and united 🇺🇸
ask yourself
what do you want to happen next?
then
how would this happen?
next
find groups that are working towards this 🇺🇸
Full-blown fascism must be fought off in wars, though…
Where does the US go?
Every "gather in one place with no plan B" peaceful protest is deeply misunderstanding how and why Gandhi's protest actually worked.
King's nonviolent protests were not peaceful! They were deliberately provocative, often illegal, and designed to create conflict. Peaceful and nonviolent are different things.
https://bsky.app/profile/tampalib.bsky.social/post/3lm5ivujl3s2p
Do not let them pass. Do not let the police disperse you. And when you hold your ground, it becomes violent.
Those who protested in the past, learned hard lessons, and then they learned to fight back:
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34425615
The labor movement one way, civil rights the other.
Both worked.
But both can work.
If the left marched with guns like that and took over buildings we would all be killed
Ford didn't do that. Reagan didn't do that. Neither of the Bushes did it. The enemy was *always* foreign.
But the "law" can't arrest millions of people calling for blood.
I'd even dare say that millions calling for it, is democracy.
The violent ones are never started by the protestors, they are started by what they are protesting against.
The unexpected turnout today and extreme lack of law enforcement reaction underscores this resolutely.
then YOU can provide it here
This is not an attempt at snark, I am honestly ignorant and honestly curious to know if/how these dynamics interact
I think we will be soon.
Fascism ?
The violence of the state is so total and reliable that we have learned that anything lacking violence will not be listened to, not even *pretended* to be listened to.