Note for Americans: Magna Carta was the rich ruling elite getting pissy at the king for ignoring them. The king agreed to it, then went back to ignoring them. So, weirdly, Chuck Schumer referring to it is correct. Just probably not in the way he thinks. - ThreadSky

garius.bsky.social • 6 days ago

Note for Americans:

Magna Carta was the rich ruling elite getting pissy at the king for ignoring them. The king agreed to it, then went back to ignoring them.

So, weirdly, Chuck Schumer referring to it is correct. Just probably not in the way he thinks.

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push-hl.bsky.social•6 days ago

A graduate of Harvard Law School no less.

drgs100.bsky.social•6 days ago

Give me the Charter of the Forest any day.

victoriadecapua.bsky.social•6 days ago

When I left America we still learned about Magna Carta in school. Or at least I did. Maybe other parts of America were already stupid.

fwordleproblems.bsky.social•6 days ago

Oh, sure. It gets mentioned, as it should! As an early example of written constraints on power and key to the Anglo-American political tradition and blah blah. You don't get a lot of context, though! Nobody knows what it actually WAS or was for, really.

victoriadecapua.bsky.social•6 days ago

King John was being a little bitch and taking everyone's stuff, and the barons confronted him and made up a charter to restrict his ability to do that, but they couldn't call it the John is a little bitch charter so they had to call it the great charter. And then Richard the Lionheart visited once

fwordleproblems.bsky.social•6 days ago

Right, yeah. Exactly. Also there was a lot of very explicit legal language in which the King agreed to leave Robin Hood alone for fuck's sake.

garius.bsky.social•6 days ago

The US founding fathers going big Magna Carta is arguably one of the earliest instances of politicians trying to co-opt a meme.

I find it legit fascinating.

victoriadecapua.bsky.social•6 days ago

The colonists really considered themselves British subjects being screwed by their own government. I've been having a bit of fun seeing parallels between Canada as a client state and the US using coercive tax policy in a similar way as Britain.

fwordleproblems.bsky.social•6 days ago

Oh, it is! But they didn't invent it, certainly. They were borrowing a LOT from their 17th-century "revolutionary" forebears, and Magna Carta fetishism was part of all that.

locopells.bsky.social•6 days ago

You mean, rather than write their own load of self-justifying bullshit, they ripped off an existing one? If only there'd been AI back then...

an-elk.bsky.social•6 days ago

There was: American Independence

garius.bsky.social•6 days ago

Which was built on a similar desire to avoid paying for services.

victoriadecapua.bsky.social•6 days ago

or being taxed on trying to break away from the supply monopoly but WHO'S COUNTING

sfomel.bsky.social•6 days ago

Bringing a copy of Magna Carta to the US in 1939 and then gifting it was a smart move against the Nazi influence. "This first overseas loan of Magna Carta was made on the advice of the Department of Overseas Trade, which hoped that the loan would strengthen Anglo-American relations."

andyscripture.bsky.social•6 days ago

Tbf, there are plenty of English "patriots" who cite Magna Carta (often with a 'the') with a wistful, nostalgic reference to how great England used to be, with all its conferred freedoms - as if it was ever intended to help commoners.

word-geek.bsky.social•6 days ago

I suspect that they get their view of it from the US. I remember learning about it in history as an indicator of how weak John was, and as one of the precursor events for one of our civil wars

Never thought about it much again until someone mentioned it in a US context, which completely threw me

word-geek.bsky.social•6 days ago

And then I started doing 17C history and it all started to make sense. That's where the error comes from and it's the exact right time to have influenced the colonists who became the US

mthrjo.bsky.social•6 days ago

I always thought the 1066 and All That view of it was quite acute:
That no man be imprisoned without judgement (except the common people)
That no man be fined to his utter ruin (except the common people).

erinacean.bsky.social•6 days ago

and 'That the Barons should not be tried except by a special jury of other Barons who would understand'. Go Sellar and Yeatman!

brett-dunbar.bsky.social•5 days ago

The commoners, has access to the royal courts which were governed by precedents and therefore predictable band reasonably fair.

Cases involving the barons were under the personal jurisdiction of the king. Under John this was arbitrary. And quite useless when he was the cause of complaint.

davidallengreen.bsky.social•6 days ago

Did that poor Hungarian peasant girl die in vain?

(Sorry, I just want to inflict it on someone else for once.)

petruscrinitus.bsky.social•6 days ago

garius.bsky.social•6 days ago

Everyone knows that Magna Carta only deals weak legal damage. You generally want to use Magnara Cartara, which you unlock at level 20.

glenatron.bsky.social•6 days ago

Be careful though! Many people get this confused with the Marinara Cart, which is a low-level food vendor.

seraphism.bsky.social•6 days ago

Magnaga Cartaga when?

babblingfringe.bsky.social•6 days ago

The best I can do is the Magna Encarta, and honestly I dunno if anyone else has an optical drive lying around?

kevinmarks.com•6 days ago

Magna Inkatha, when the rebellious barons are Zulu

essaywells.bsky.social•6 days ago

Mea carta, mea maxima carta.

robertwoolley.bsky.social•6 days ago

I prefer the Microsoft version, Magna Encarta.

stanth0rpe.bsky.social•6 days ago

Does that work on an iPhone?

kndrj.bsky.social•6 days ago

Tired: Magna Carta
Wired: Magnara Carta
Inspired: Magnissima Carta

finstergrrrl.bsky.social•6 days ago

pokemon evolutions

timmorton2.bsky.social•6 days ago

Of course the real boss is Magnus Carter, and his main squeeze Laura Norder

vieventar.bsky.social•6 days ago

...I have a terrible urge to introduce legal damage as a thing now.

garius.bsky.social•6 days ago

Whether it uses WIT or INT to cast depends on the constitution of the nation the party are in at the time.

vieventar.bsky.social•6 days ago

If your country uses CHA to cast it's probably time to leave.

hypereutectoid.bsky.social•6 days ago

OBJECTION

tomrunnacles.bsky.social•6 days ago

Similarly if saving throws depend on STR.

garius.bsky.social•6 days ago

In seriousness you could totally make it like cleric where they have to pick a legal tradition.

lazyscot.bsky.social•6 days ago

And the damage from the Carta de Foresta? (sometimes Little Charta)

tinmanbs.bsky.social•6 days ago

few if any ever reach Summa Carta. Elite skilz solamente!

motomatters.com•6 days ago

More Magna More Carta

jayjaybee.bsky.social•6 days ago

Magna Carta 2: Constitutional Boogaloo

andraswf.bsky.social•6 days ago

Too Magna Too Carta

andraswf.bsky.social•6 days ago

Magna Carta: Tokyo Drift

nickequipechasee.bsky.social•6 days ago

Magna Carter does Dallas.

davidfirn.bsky.social•6 days ago

Get Magna Carter: "You're a big legal document but you're out of shape. With me it's a full time job. Now behave yourself."

outerleftfield.net•6 days ago

Don’t evolve it until level 50 and you unlock Cromwell as a trainer.

andraswf.bsky.social•6 days ago

hey, you are talking about my mum

davidallengreen.bsky.social•6 days ago

You are Tony Hancock's daughter? Wow.

andraswf.bsky.social•6 days ago

better than to be Matt Hancock's

fwordleproblems.bsky.social•6 days ago

I had a (quite left-wing) history prof who was heavily into Magna Carta and what he saw as its communitarian elements. Fascinating stuff, but probably as ahistorical as a lot of the LIBERAL Magna Carta enthusiasm. (

fwordleproblems.bsky.social•6 days ago

The long intellectual afterlife of this pretty prosaic document is way more interesting than the document itself, is I guess what I'm saying!)

boffnet.bsky.social•6 days ago

I welcome the return of the Magna Carta!! Too many people are building bridges over rivers these days.

lizardky.bsky.social•6 days ago

My (American born, British parents) take:
https://bsky.app/profile/lizardky.bsky.social/post/3l6tf5mrcy62r

fwordleproblems.bsky.social•6 days ago

Ha, yes. And it's never really made clear the extent to which the latter stuff was more relevant in the moment lol. How it was a "document" thrown together for a particular situation, one not particularly meant to be studied in a thousand years.

amazingprizzini.bsky.social•6 days ago

Of course, the other rich dudes then invited another rich dude to take over and civil war began, and I hope we can avoid that route

hindchristopher.bsky.social•6 days ago

not 100% sure it lines up with his new book on antisemitism

seeadler.bsky.social•6 days ago

You can't just pick and choose the bits you like. It's not a Desserta Carta.

fwordleproblems.bsky.social•6 days ago

I have introduced a bill of attainder in the commons over this; you'll be hearing from us shortly.

qgty.bsky.social•6 days ago

Well, that was version 1

In

THE_MAGNA_CARTA_v2.1.(final_2).USE_THIS_ONE.doc.docx

There were references to commoners, but sadly it was lost to history

historicat.bsky.social•6 days ago

Corrupted backups or just a failure to save the file in a protected location?

lomquiche.bsky.social•6 days ago

And of course which version was he referring to?

wsadmin.org•6 days ago

I agree too many constables keep trying to seize my horse and cart without consent.

mrdarcy-actual.bsky.social•6 days ago

I thought Constable was big on haywains?

locopells.bsky.social•6 days ago

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude 😂

elsieyork.bsky.social•6 days ago

My knee jerk response to Magna Carta invocations: “oh, are you a baron?”

adamchapman.bsky.social•6 days ago

A failed peace treaty (though in the case of this administration, the passive aggressive letter from the Pope is not getting the monarch out of their commitments but correcting the vice president's theology).

The analogy probably breaks down when it comes to a Francophone invasion, oh, hang on...

andraswf.bsky.social•6 days ago

Also, there is no "the"