Instead of any substantive comments here, I'm seeing: Did not, Did too, Did not.
It is a disservice to waste energy relitigating the last election. We need to focus on the next one and how to get a sane message across to the country in spite of a limited media pool that isn't in Trump's pocket.
It amazed me how journalists (I'm in the UK) were so animated over Biden having memory lapses when the orange felon can't string a coherent sentence together and started babbling about sharks half the time.
Oh, bullshit! This guy is an advisor. He should have seen it coming and provided honest advice. THAT'S HIS JOB.
Joe Biden was my 1st Pres choice in 2008. I always respected him.
But boy did it hurt to watch that debate. I knew he shouldn't seek re-election.
Mike Donilon failed and so did the others.
Elections can't be explained rigorously because the alternative condition can't be tested. A lot of people are coming out and claiming that Harris's loss means that Biden would have been more viable. I doubt that is the case. There are a lot of indicators that Biden would have lost harder.
Me neither. After the debate, he had zero chance. Once he stepped down, it was all "joyful this" and "vibe that", but the DNC were starting the race a lap behind and Trump was going to win. Biden should have stepped down before the Primaries.
I assume he thought his '20 win & steady leadership would have tanked maga in time for the '24 elections, but certainly, when it was clear maga wasn't going away, Biden and our democratic leaders didn't do enough to crush the lies an misinformation.
Bad debate? OMFG. It was death cringe. I wondered if they gave Biden something to try and jack him up for the debate that completely backfired. Adderall, maybe?
Ridiculous-the media pushed Biden out. Tired of pundits saying it was Biden’s ego—BS. Look at what he accomplished in 4 years-ya, he should boast about that, but you & others piled it on for weeks about dropping out instead of going after senile tRump & promoting Biden.
And ZERO medical evidence of any issues other than Biden just being older while trump swayed back and forth to music at a rally for 2 hours and nary a peep from legacy media. Fuck em.
He didn’t just have a bad debate. He showed the country that, at that moment at least, he was a doddering and incoherent old man. Was it a condition or an episode. Didn’t really matter at that point. Those who were Biden’s counsel did us all a disservice by not convincing him earlier not to run.
During Biden’s presidency the Press ruthlessly criticized him. They actively shined a light on Trump’s antics as just that. They shredded Biden with attacks on every single issue & compared each of them to Trump’s ‘norms’. They never did any of this to Trump’s obvious incompetencies. It’s the press
The problem is and always has been every single GOP voter since Goldwater who all enabled the current state of the USG, which I assume includes you, Jen. They’ve supported corporate-loving fascists as long as I can remember.
Biden gave a tremendous speech in Europe just a few days after the debate demonstrating it was a bad day for an aging man not a chronic issue. Chump makes no sense every day and gets clobbered by Kamala in his debate. GOP stands by him and wins. Who should be ashamed?
How about both? Republicans for supporting the insupportable and Democrats for not following through on Biden's promise to be a transitional one term president.
Biden knew Kamala couldn’t win. She’s capable and qualified, but she’s not a white man. A primary would not have worked because Kamala would’ve been the heir apparent. Any challenger would’ve been accused of racism and sexism. He tried to hang on for the good of the country.
"Biden knew Kamala couldn't win [because] she's not a while man". I disagree. But if true why was she his running-mate in a "transitional" term?
"Any challenger would've been accused of racism and sexism". Well that's a sad statement. DNC has a duty to put forward its best candidate and not pander.
Because black women have been the backbone of the party and were insisting on a black female VP. Sad or not it’s true. The Dems have a lot of groups they have to answer to and offending any of them splits the party. The GOP has it a lot easier. They only have to please white men.
I agree that that was the process, because I saw those demands being made in real time. You can understand why. They ARE the backbone of the party. They DON'T deserve to be sidelined. But in the end the cost (Trump 2) wasn't worth the gesture.
Funny, Jen. I don’t remember you and the rest of the “liberal” media going wall-to-wall with every insane utterance from Trump and demanding that he step aside for the good of the country. Did I miss that? Fuck off.
Dems have got to get rid of these absolutely WORTHLESS, overpriced, white, old consultants and hire a fukin PR firm because it’s not the ideas and philosophy of Dems that suck, it’s their messaging and inability to reach voters with their message. That’s kinda what PR firms are made for
I supported switching out for a younger candidate to boost public confidence. But none of the leaks I have seen so far point to a mass coverup. Points more to stamina issues we've known he's had since at least 2020. "Deceive" too strong a word.
Yes. They lied to us on behalf of Biden’s ego & Donilon’s & Dunn’s power & positions.
I can’t believe the delusional folks in the comments here defending this shit. People who actively wanted to be gaslit. Biden should have taken the W after the 2022 midterms & gracefully bowed out. Fuck him & them.
This thinking tries to lead you to believe that if Biden didn't choose to run that somehow the "mystery whoever" would beat Trump. We don't know that and never will.
Shame on the millions who didn't bother to get their ass to the polls. I'm more pissed off with them.
No, people like you should be shamed. You and the WAPO held and still hold Democrats and Republicans to separate standards. Your duplicitous reporting allowed this chaos.
Are you going to spend the rest of your life on the Biden question? This is just your attempt to say, "I told you so" which is a sad way to be. Who cares?
Get your effin head into THIS moment. Do it and stop worrying about some old advisor of a past president.
Donilon even kept Biden away from Harris so she saw him only when he was at his ‘best’. Donilon must be one of the ppl who berated the VP to the press and undermined her with the public. Now Trump’s return to power is part of Biden’s legacy especially since Trump will torpedo IRA, BIL etc,
Delusion. Or more likely, self-serving gaslighting. Our 2024 situation was a direct consequence of his ego and the egos of others around & including Joe Biden.
Not sure I agree with you on this one. My history is a bit fuzzy here, but my recollection is no party that's abandoned its nominee mid-campaign has ever won the general election. History was a guide here, and it was ignored...
Biden was just the presumptive nominee.
Replacement of candidates at the later stages is very rare-which only illustrates the crisis the DNC was in in 2024. So I am not sure what guide history is giving us here..perhaps you could provide a list.
Buchanan I believe replaced the *incumbent* and won.
"Villain of our time"? Come on. As noted below - get off it already. There is only Trump/Musk/2025 to blame at this point, and the people that voted for, and supported him.
We were certainly deceived about Biden’s condition. All those who knew his diminished capacity and encouraged him to run for another term are to blame for trumps election.
Let’s be fair, MSM execs ushered in Trump. They attacked Biden daily and it was a coordinated plan. A fellow journalist warned everyone in July 2021 that was the plan to help Trump
No, you fucking media pundits should hang your heads in shame. You reported ad nauseum about inflation (except when it was coming down) and about Biden’s age. Fuck all the way off
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It is a disservice to waste energy relitigating the last election. We need to focus on the next one and how to get a sane message across to the country in spite of a limited media pool that isn't in Trump's pocket.
BIDEN PICKED KAMALA FOR THE TOP OF THE TICKET.
DEMOCRATIC MESSAGING IS NON-EXISTENT.
WHITE VOTERS USHERED IN TRUMP.
NON-VOTERS USHERED IN TRUMP.
Joe Biden was my 1st Pres choice in 2008. I always respected him.
But boy did it hurt to watch that debate. I knew he shouldn't seek re-election.
Mike Donilon failed and so did the others.
Umm, who should hang their head in shame?
Biden did a great job; the people rejected him. I have no issue with his people sticking up for him.
You’re welcome to gaslight yourself but don’t gaslight the rest of us.
Now, we're stuck where we are and need to get to work.
naifs calling for D’s to ditch their white male incumbent in a good economy w/no US troops overseas in major wars should be ashamed👇🏼
running Carib-Indian SF woman was quixotic👇🏼
Pretending US isn’t a country dominated by white status politics is insane👇🏼
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"Any challenger would've been accused of racism and sexism". Well that's a sad statement. DNC has a duty to put forward its best candidate and not pander.
At the moment we have bigger fish to fry !!
Our democracy is collapsing under two fucking stooges who don’t have a clue what they’re doing.
Everyone around Biden put their own interests above the country’s, and should be shunned from future democratic administrations
(Assuming we have more free elections)
I can’t believe the delusional folks in the comments here defending this shit. People who actively wanted to be gaslit. Biden should have taken the W after the 2022 midterms & gracefully bowed out. Fuck him & them.
Shame on the millions who didn't bother to get their ass to the polls. I'm more pissed off with them.
Get your effin head into THIS moment. Do it and stop worrying about some old advisor of a past president.
Can we oppose the fascist coup now?
Replacement of candidates at the later stages is very rare-which only illustrates the crisis the DNC was in in 2024. So I am not sure what guide history is giving us here..perhaps you could provide a list.
Buchanan I believe replaced the *incumbent* and won.