Watching the fringe online left rally with Trump around the TikTok thing is a reminder that they both the fringe online left and MAGA are basically movements built around the idea that going viral makes something true
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Yeah, those same ones also said “Bin Laden had some good ideas” so we ain’t exactly working with the elite. And when you use the words “fringe online left”
You lose me at…”fringe online left”
whatever man. just say whatever. sure, there’s leftists that like trump because of tik tok now. why not. politics is just saying whatever comes to mind now. i heard daffy duck has gone maga, too.
Daffy gets in on the right-wing grift in his eternal futile search to be popular and it ends up with him getting blown up with dynamite on the summit of Mt. Rushmore
You’re talking about GRIFTERS. This horseshoe adjacent theorizing creates a false ideological parity. You are equating a fringe, and basically non existent in terms of power, “left” with a sect on the right that is currently taking the reins of power at the highest levels.
idk which online left you're seeing. certainly not the fring online left I participate in. my online left is pretty firmly saying "don't fall for this scam, trump is still bad"
I think he’s talking about the loudest of the online (allegedly) left. And my guess is that they are loud because they are being amplified by bad actors.
idk I don't really expect americans to have any idea what "left" means. I still see fox news people saying hillary clinton and joe biden are socialists
I mean, I think the people who joined with maga to institute a ban trump suggested first are the ones rallying together around the TikTok thing, no? Like the people who voted with them and helped pass it into law.
I am one of those lefters who would rather have it banned than have Cheetolini involved. This is like.. blatant movie villain shit. I left Twitter the minute Skunkolini bought it. I'll have no problem doing the same with TikTok.
Why should we ban all of them? Tiktok is the only one owned by a subsidiary of a hostile national government. I'd say that's a bit more of a concern than Twitter being owned by a prick.
I’m not concerned about data wrt Tiktok. I’m concerned with a hostile government controlling the memes - especially bs political ones, of which there were an avalanche in 2024 on that app - that impressionable minds absorb.
As Bannon would say,"Flood the zone with 💩." It's the Overton window. The continuum of far right to center to far left. My hubby was born & raised in MPLS & graduated from Edison High. 😊
Do you just have a kink about getting yelled at online for being a humiliating and pitiable loser? You do sort of have the diaper fetish guy phenotype now that I look at it.
If you reduce two things enough then literally anything is like anything else, it's incredible how you can be reductive to the point where everyone else is wrong without ever considering your own positions and why they're wrong and you're a fucking idiot holy shit shut the fuck up.
Principles. They don't have them if it costs them money or fame. Or any effort. I hate to besmirch a whole generation, but the internet has broken society. Nothing is real anymore.
But I thought your argument was that the left needs to join the fight for attention instead of ceding the online battleground to the right? How does one do that without becoming "part of the poison?"
This is why I was fine with it being banned. It catered to the far Left and to MAGA and created a little endorphin-injecting entertainment machine that rewarded them for hearing how much Democrats suck.
I’m fine with banning a propaganda machine controlled by an enemy to the US, sure. I’m also fine with banning Fox News, OAN, and Newsmax. The agenda of these outlets is the destruction of the country.
absolutely fucking pathetic as hell. “moved to the left” my fucking ass. here you are accusing the left of capitulating to the right, and in your own words just admitted that democrats moved to the center. cry me a fucking river.
Ah yes, those left moves of Biden, like helping confirm Clarence Thomas and Alito, voting for the Iraq War, conducting more deportations than Biden, funding the genocide of Palestinian. Accepted the endorsement of Colin Powell, Tom Ridge, just a bunch of W Bush warmongers.
Please tell me honestly what would convince you they made bad policy decisions and choices? I will admit they are better than Republicans, but at some level you have to want them to do better. The party can’t just keep moving right and joining republicans on stuff. Its getting people killed
I never said they haven’t made bad policy decisions. They have. Plenty. But the algorithm is telling an entire generation of young voters that there’s no difference between Ds and Rs and there’s no reason to vote for a Dem at all. It’s helping Rs win elections.
And it can’t just be “vote harder!” Because that doesn’t actually get them to change their views — they win and assume it was because of the views they already hold
How are we supposed to hold dems accountable if not for telling them “this policy is bad, do better!”? It seems like every time the left criticizes democrats at all, dems reflexively defend themselves just as much as MAGA. That’s why many times they are referred to as “Blue MAGA”.
Notice Will’s framing of the left here: simultaneously weak and simultaneously powerful. It’s the way fascist and their sympathizers always portray the left. And look where its gotten them. Will is a perfect encapsulation of the smug liberal that got the election lost to Trump
I think he's a perfect encapsulation of how everything is at least a little fascist now. It's s been that way since the War, and the thin veneer of courtesy is coming down at last
I’m curious, had Bernie been the nominee for any election cycle, and there were large swaths of moderate liberals who were hesitant to vote for him over just staying home. What exactly would you suggest to earn their votes?
The online left is absolutely part of the poison that's killing our politics. They're just the smaller, less powerful manifestation of the same things that are driving Trump
yes it's the left that is killing politics and not *checks notes* democrats continuing to miss the mark and refuse to make even the easiest of political layups to show that they are in step with working class people. Plus courting increasingly more conservative views on immigration &trans rights.
Oh look, another lib blaming anyone other than themself and refusing to hold themself accountable for anything, as they continue to cuddle up to the right. Way to break the mould there bud.
Damn, if the 'smaller, less powerful version of Trump' is apparently capable of utterly confounding your whole political project, how do you hope to stand up to the actual Trump?
Sounds like you're just not very good?
Sounds like the leftists are better at this than you are?
They are driven by addiction to an app. I'm not talking about everyone on it but some of the comments of " real Chinese life" are ignoring the algorithm feeding their brain.
Your takes are just really awful man. Its like you have no historical or political awareness whatsoever. Any failure of your ideology is actually its success.
People have gotten really good at expressing rage in ways that blow up online, and since Americans spend an average of nearly seven hours a day online, that ends up constituting a very large portion of what people see. The left and right have a version of it
Their is a lot more effective since they can play the whole field and gin up resentment at unpopular social groups, but outside of that a lot of the rage arsenal is shared between fringes: conspiracy theories, inchoate anger at institutions, toxic suspicion of Democrats, etc.
The far right want a white ethno-state and the "far left" want universal healthcare.
Far right rage is directed at minorities and poor people, "far left" rage is directed at racism and inequality.
I have no idea what far left conspiracies are, I'm inundated by far right ones on a daily basis.
Pretty often you'll see a lefty start getting attention from the far right because of these shared tactics and they'll decide they don't actually care much about black or LGBT people after all, and then they'll just flip and become a Nazi. All being driven by the imperative of going viral either way
the democratic party is a fascist party just like their republican counterparts, working in conjunction with each other to keep the populace beaten down and honestly stupid.
Ah yes, who could forget when the leader of the fringe online left - I think their name was Kamala Harris? - abandoned trans people and immigrants to appeal to the Liz Cheney Vote
It's the people like Brianna Wu and Jesse Singal who are embracing the right. Maybe you're protecting your own planned "why I left the left" here? Much to consider.
Fetterman was never a lefty. He beat lefties for that nomination but he has always been centrist, even right of Dem center. He’s a contrarian non-ideological populist. Your thread was perfect until then.
You know this dude got one weird reply from commiemarx69 or whatever and it rattled around in his brain until the full "fringe online left" boogyman came forth from his imagination. The "horseshoe theory" gag is so lazy, man.
Watching the Dems in Congress rallying with Trump and the GOP to enact a law to force the sale of a private company to American oligarchs is a reminder that both parties are effectively the same.
And I'd add that both the fringe left & MAGA are movements committed to the idea that the chaos/despair created by destroying problem-solving, pragmatic democracy is somehow better than the good it can create.
No deeper than a rich entertainer saying "heighten the contradictions."
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You lose me at…”fringe online left”
dawg this you?
But shut up bro.
The left are the only ones who have consistently opposed banning TikTok. There is no rallying with Trump.
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This doesn't say what you think it does
Unless he's talking about TYT, but they're more liberal then they are left wing tbh.
Believe it or not, Lauren Boebert once called Majorie Gangrene a communist, lol. 🙄
If they were smarter and better communicators this wouldn’t go down in many memories as “Trump saved TikTok”.
But alas, few things they love more than letting MAGA get a win.
And data isn’t a real answer—Meta would/is selling data to any org or country.
But Dems love taking stances that look good in books but dont make lives better. I’m super liberal with a teen and glad it’s back
Ownership doesn’t matter to me—CCP wants my data, they’ll keep buying it from Zuck. Effect is the same.
Nothing Im aware of that TT enables them to do that they can’t do via one or two hoops on every other platform.
Could be missing something though
Without votes there is no power
Wake the fuck up
Who are you even talking about? Is the radical leftist on the room with us?
Because you say the fringe online left is rallying with Trump, and I'm saying, you're a liar, talking about things that are not happening
The people who lose some elections are not going to take advice from the people who've lost every election.
No matter how far left Biden moved, you guys hated him. And you wonder why Dems move towards the center.
Oh they didn't lose? *LMAOLMAOLMAO*
Let me guess, you got some conspiracy theories right?
Democrats suck and people should hear loudly and often about how and why they suck so hopefully someday they will stop.
I think he's a perfect encapsulation of how everything is at least a little fascist now. It's s been that way since the War, and the thin veneer of courtesy is coming down at last
Blue MAGA.
Will please get a new hobby you are so bad at this one
Sounds like you're just not very good?
Sounds like the leftists are better at this than you are?
Far right rage is directed at minorities and poor people, "far left" rage is directed at racism and inequality.
I have no idea what far left conspiracies are, I'm inundated by far right ones on a daily basis.
the democratic party is a fascist party just like their republican counterparts, working in conjunction with each other to keep the populace beaten down and honestly stupid.
disingenuous hack
it’s just a way for centrists to paint progressives as extremists.
Even on his thread where the QT comes from, there are replies proving him wrong as well as pictures of his own posts that contradict his claims.
This one: https://bsky.app/profile/ohyabud.bsky.social/post/3lg77uruyss2y
Or maybe this one: https://bsky.app/profile/peacetwinks.bsky.social/post/3lg7eedoyc22y
And I'd add that both the fringe left & MAGA are movements committed to the idea that the chaos/despair created by destroying problem-solving, pragmatic democracy is somehow better than the good it can create.
No deeper than a rich entertainer saying "heighten the contradictions."
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