"I called it ethnic cleansing. But when I saw the images of starving babies in Gaza I had to upgrade my language." By Art Spiegelman (Maus) and Joe Sacco www.theguardian.com/world/pictur... - ThreadSky

joenoonan.bsky.social • 70 days ago

"I called it ethnic cleansing. But when I saw the images of starving babies in Gaza I had to upgrade my language."

By Art Spiegelman (Maus) and Joe Sacco

https://www.theguardian.com/world/picture/2025/feb/14/joe-sacco-art-spiegelman-israel-gaza-war-ceasefire-cartoon?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=bsky_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Bluesky#Echobox=1739536451

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grameee5.bsky.social•65 days ago

Netanyahu is a disgrace to the memory of all the holocaust souls lost to the hatred and ignorance of murderers! There’s no place in this world for this hate! I wish the Jewish communities around the world would try to show their disgust for Netanyahu as we Americans try to do the same about Trump! 🙏🏼

skullbearer.bsky.social•69 days ago

Absolutely 100% nailed it

daughterofwitches.bsky.social•70 days ago

Art Spiegalman's parents should be very proud of the child they raised, wherever they are.

They left the world a better place than they found it and their memory is a blessing for the world.

earnhardtcnc.bsky.social•70 days ago

Self aware enough to echo ‘never again,’ honest enough to acknowledge that you cant NOT call it genocide. Cowardly enough to pretend any moral equivalence, to blame Natenyahu instead of the project writ large, and most frustratingly, allowing whatever moral clarity is here to equate to ‘self-hating’

earnhardtcnc.bsky.social•70 days ago

D- See Me After Class

shoehornwithteeth.bsky.social•70 days ago

The "self-hating" part is said with heavy irony. One of the major themes of his magnum opus "Maus" is that the trauma of the Shoah did not actually grant the victims some unique moral position, but that those victims remained human and capable of cruelty of their own.

earnhardtcnc.bsky.social•70 days ago

It’s been many years since I read Maus, but iirc it’s presented in the context of interpersonal racism in America, right? Because if that’s what you’re referring to, it’s a different conversation. The dialogue around Isreal and the Middle East requires its own specificity

earnhardtcnc.bsky.social•70 days ago

He alludes in this piece to traumatized people traumatizing each other and I’m saying as a Jew that that is not good enough.

exhululath.bsky.social•68 days ago

Respectfully, I believe they are right. The point about the "self-hating Jew" is the accountability of Jews for their actions. Widespread rethoric uses the logical fallacy of "if you criticize a Jew for their actions and you're not Jew, you're an antisemite; but if you ARE Jew, you're self-hating."

exhululath.bsky.social•68 days ago

Netanyahu was very quick to call ICC's arrest warrant 'antisemitic'. That's a cheap way to silence any critics, to invalid their opinions and to brand them as evil. So yes, the point is that WW2 or Hamas do not excuse Netanyahu and make him unaccountable.

layman10.bsky.social•70 days ago

supereye.bsky.social•63 days ago

Still have this book on my book shelf. You would of thought after such an event we would of learnt something. I'm not sure we will ever learn. There will always be power crazed despots and people who worship them sadly.

nylasmokeyface.bsky.social•25 days ago

I'm taking a graphic novels course right now and we read both Maus and Palestine, one after the other. The entire time I was reading Palestine, I kept thinking about how familiar the Palestinian's experience sounded...History is repeating itself...

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kingbeauregard.bsky.social•70 days ago

Meanwhile, in the land of facts, Gaza started this war, refused several ceasefire offers, and was at all times firing rockets at Israel. Israel, on the other hand, sent massive amounts of food into Gaza, and warned neighborhoods before striking so civilians could escape. 1/2

kingbeauregard.bsky.social•70 days ago

Pay some attention to how many fat Gazans were there while emaciated hostages were being released. Gaza received plenty of food.

Anyway, good job on the antisemitism of holding Jews to impossible standards. The only way they could meet your standards would be by dying meekly, so just be honest.
2/2

diogeneslamp.bsky.social•70 days ago

These are not facts. Israel bombed every home to the ground to facilitate ethnic cleansing, and used starvation as a weapon. Even Biden tried to smuggle in food and the US Army has to build a dock to ship it in because Israel wouldn't let food cross the border. The double standards are your own

kingbeauregard.bsky.social•70 days ago

The original Diogenes cared a lot about the truth. Since you completely unpretentiously consider yourself a modern Diogenes, here are facts about Israel. It's full of grown-up words but do your best:

https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286

diogeneslamp.bsky.social•70 days ago

Still going with "the most moral army in the world" after the IDF killed all those kids and razed Gaza? And your source is Newsweek which pushes right wing conspiracy theories, and their source is the IDF, after the IDF *faked* evidence of militants in al Shifa
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/17/idf-evidence-so-far-falls-well-short-of-al-shifa-hospital-being-hamas-hq

diogeneslamp.bsky.social•70 days ago

The IDF are so dumb they literally planted a bag full of guns behind an MRI machine-- which produces magnetic fields so strong the guns would fly through the machine-- to justify razing it to the ground.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/17/middleeast/israel-al-shifa-gaza-what-we-know-intl/index.html

singlemalttheory42.bsky.social•69 days ago

You know that collectively punishing an entire nation for the decisions made by its elected leadership is a crime, right? It’d be like China bombing American civilians for electing Trump. Also calling this a “war” is beyond cynical. One side has one of the world’s most powerful armies. 1/2

singlemalttheory42.bsky.social•69 days ago

The other side is comprised of civilians. Also interesting how that army, which has sophisticated smart bombs, did not use them, and somehow forgot how to bomb straight. So many “accidental” killings of civilians. Netanyahu is a monster. Full stop. 2/2

singlemalttheory42.bsky.social•69 days ago

(This post is a response to the ratioed “land of facts” apologist for this inhumane barbarity, by the way.)

haredurer.bsky.social•70 days ago

paul4692.bsky.social•70 days ago

"The land of facts"

Who are you to talk about the land of facts?

The land of facts is a realm of functionally literate people.

You have nothing to do with it.

angusthejew.bsky.social•70 days ago

The fact is you lack humanity and you did not bring any actual facts, just propaganda. Spewing bullshit Israel told you.

kingbeauregard.bsky.social•70 days ago

1) It is a war. That is a fact. Gaza started it.

2) It is not a genocide. That is a fact. Gaza rejected multiple offers to stop the war, which would make it the first genocide the victims wanted. Odd.

3) Israel sent Gazans ~3000 cal of food a day per person. That is a fact.

benrad.bsky.social•69 days ago

angusthejew.bsky.social•70 days ago

Gaza didn't do anything, Hamas did. Hamas is not Gaza. Israel rejected ceasefires with Hamas (again it is Hamas not Gaza, the people there are innocent). Israel has been starving Palestinians, not sending food. Israel has blocked aid to Palestine. All of this is documented.

kingbeauregard.bsky.social•70 days ago

Read. Learn. Then book a flight to Gaza City and see how those peace-loving Gazans treat you.

https://www.israelhayom.com/2025/02/12/study-finds-hamas-starved-hostages-despite-ample-gaza-aid/

angusthejew.bsky.social•70 days ago

Propaganda not fact

angusthejew.bsky.social•70 days ago

Netanyahu, may his name be forgotten, is in FACT a murderous war criminal.

harveyiscooliguess.bsky.social•66 days ago

Art spiegelman. Great artist

mybookstand.bsky.social•68 days ago

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/02/17/nrnr-f17.html?pk_campaign=wsws-newsletter&pk_kwd=wsws-daily-newsletter

mybookstand.bsky.social•69 days ago

https://www.commondreams.org/news/london-protest-trump-gaza?utm_source=Common+Dreams&utm_campaign=ecbc99f690-Weekend+Edition%3A+Sun.+2%2F9%2F25_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_-3b949b3e19-600867753

jubbacca.bsky.social•70 days ago

As someone whose spent time in Bethlehem, that apartment full of "ghosts" hit me right in the heart.

imesoamericano.bsky.social•70 days ago

An astonishing report, and foreshadowing of inhuman, AI-on-human future conflicts.

"Once you go automatic, target generation goes crazy..."
https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-.

imesoamericano.bsky.social•70 days ago

The hard truth and responsibility you own - if you are one of those people enamored by investing in shares in Palantir AI.

https://thebritishtribune.com/2024/06/10/t..

bomsiva.bsky.social•69 days ago

Spiegelman speaks only for himself, he is a pawn of Hamas.

schmaniel.bsky.social•67 days ago

@lexialex.bsky.social have you seen this?

lexialex.bsky.social•67 days ago

Yes, remember I told you to go see Art speak at Rice

schmaniel.bsky.social•67 days ago

hadn't seen it yet, kinda disappointed...

sciarpuccio.bsky.social•70 days ago

The Axis of Evil

joenoonan.bsky.social•70 days ago

Spiegelman wondered last month if they would succeed in finding an American publisher for this work.

beiman-nancy.bsky.social•69 days ago

It will appear in the New York Review of Books in their February 28 issue. I am glad that I subscribe to the GUARDIAN. Thank you.

joenoonan.bsky.social•69 days ago

Thank you.

joenoonan.bsky.social•70 days ago

Judges at the International Criminal Court found enough evidence to issue an arrest warrant for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for crimes against humanity, including using “starvation as a method of warfare” and intentionally targeting civilians.

sarcoidsally.bsky.social•70 days ago

He is a monster

layman10.bsky.social•70 days ago

awedandflawed.bsky.social•70 days ago

But will anyone enforce this?

redsoledgooner.bsky.social•70 days ago

Someone somewhere needs to show some spine and arrest this vile creature.

joenoonan.bsky.social•70 days ago

Kneecap agree. They add this: #Kneecap It is being enabled by the Irish government who allow the USA to use Shannon as a military outpost.

joenoonan.bsky.social•70 days ago

This week 92 TDs voted to block the Occupied Territories Bill, the law that Harris and Martin had pledged to enact if back in Government. #icymi

joenoonan.bsky.social•70 days ago

Reminder: The Guardian sacked long-time cartoon provider Steve Bell two years ago for his caricature of Netanyahu.

molenasreddin.bsky.social•70 days ago

it was in the latest issue of the new york review of books

joenoonan.bsky.social•70 days ago

Thank you very much for telling me this. 🙏🏼

jehssuda.bsky.social•70 days ago

📌

leslieyoung.bsky.social•70 days ago

Nobody is starving in Gaza.
See @imshinjax.bsky.social

paxdriver.bsky.social•70 days ago

Got this set on eBay a few years ago. 👌 Recommend to everyone

gracedupre.bsky.social•70 days ago

(Please read all three pages too; Socco pushes back on some of the things Spiegelman says. And I can’t immediately tell which one did the “real estate - ignore the people shoved under the rug” panel…)

runefar.bsky.social•70 days ago

feels like a good piece for now simply because it bears an heir of a self dialogue that both acknowledges the problem yet acknowledges how hard it can be to exactily quantify it

zzdreidel.bsky.social•69 days ago

Genocide for real estate

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