I’m not sure what the evidence is that Starmer wouldn’t in fact die in a ditch for Brexit? There are plenty of reasons why he shouldn’t, but that’s a bit different.
Mike I sincerely hope common sense prevails.
This interview says it all, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXioPipgYCc&t=283s @teamlabouruk.bsky.social People wanted you in power for the love of God stop messing about and stop pushing people away for no reason.
The one thing that would
instantly show a real intention to grow our economy would be for the Government to indicate that it’s starting negotiations to rejoin the E.U. Everything else is like moving the chairs around on the Titanic.
The problem is, we have an electorate that has been told for years that the eu exists to interfere with us. Subtly at first (stories about them wanting to remove 3 pin plugs, wrong shape bananas etc) but then overtly. That needs to be undone.
Who the hell is he scared of? If he has small and large businesses on his side that's all that matters! We need trade, our economy needs boosting as soon as possible.
If we can't be in the EU, let's at least have the EEA like Norway. Freedom of movement & the ability to go seek employment, but the ability to opt out of anything truly nonsensical. The Brexiteers will be able to claim a win, the rest of us can get back to cheap holidays without red tape.
Have you noticed the population projections for 2032 and you want to add Eu immigrants to that total with free movement of people seeking employment keeping Uk wages below what you can get on benefits. If we can opt out of free movement I would vote to join a customs union.
Honestly don't give a 💩 about your anti-immigrant rhetoric. As a 3rd generation immigrant of Irish stock I know how much value my family has brought to this country. We have more than enough empty housing to house everyone if we had the political will, British and immigrant alike.
I worked in France for a year & under the previous rules could have claimed my retirement pension in Guadeloupe, part of France in the Caribbean. Your Brexit lost me that. Now I'll get £240/week & have to choose between heating & eating. I'll likely take a warm bath with a razor instead.
Insults won’t cut it with me. Blair decimated minimum wage jobs with his surge in Eastern European migrants. I have been told when I asked for a pay rise. There is the door. Plenty poles available to do your job for less. So don’t tell me about the benefits low skill migrants bring.
Divide and conquer. We should make union membership part of the immigration package. Unions can tell them what the going rate is & by acting in solidarity we can ensure nobody gets exploited.
And don't tell me about Poles - I have a Polish family either side of me & they're good people. One's a lorry driver, the other manages a Tesco Extra. I had a Polish best mate at school in the 80s. He's a radiographer. His dad worked for Lucas Aerospace helping to develop parts for fighter jets.
Last summer, I thought he’d run in 2029 on a platform to rejoin CU and SM. But he doesn’t have the luxury of waiting until ‘29, he’ll have to do it by ‘27 or he’ll be a one term PM.
Spent morning in Queen's Square world class neurology dept.Appointment backlog apparently worsened owing to Brexit restrictions preventing Euro medics coming (free of charge,) to learn in the department..
The standard of living has fallen by 5% in the UK while it has risen in major EU nations. Starmer and all the Brexiteers who inflicted this damage need a reality check.
Tbf not sure it's what they're saying it's what people posting the article are saying. I did message them a few weeks ago to say could they at least note the positives and they have started doing that every week.
Well the article says "It makes no sense for Starmer to pretend he would die in a ditch over Brexit" which while it doesn't actually say he said it, is at the very least intended to mislead the reader into believing he had said it.
Reading comments from govt supporters helps me understand why european values of mobility, citizens rights & the rule of law were established.
This govt is lying about growth, watching our SMEs fail, refusing to implement the TCA, deporting EU citizens, invoking austerity & refusing safer routes.
Nothing wrong with making Brexit work if that's indeed what they were doing, but that would require them taking action against their better interests- crossing red lines and joining the Single Market. Labour are playing with fire putting politics before the good of the economy.
I agree I argued this when he said no re-join no SM/CU, Starmer has to be replaced.I'm not a politician but all he had to say was 'I see no circumstance...'. He isn't adept or fleet of foot politically.
Yes, this does indeed look like the trajectory.
That is a grim article and raises issues at the @coe.int for this government's asylum policy and borders bill.
Yep It's been consistent tho @dasv.bsky.social was warning ppl on X literally 5yrs ago now but nobody listened & believed Lab would magically turn into Rejoiners.It's looking now more likely Tories will become pro rejoin party in about 2035 once Farage is dead & they've got over their midlife crisis
Rejoining #EU soon!
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A decade ago, the UK pop was 70m when 17m voted Leave,
meaning a huge 53m MAJORITY didn't vote for the #UK economy to be crippled by a #SlowCarCrash #BrexitDisaster!
Starmer doesn't have the strength nor gumption to get closer to EU. He is frightened of losing votes to Farage but sooner or later either Starmer (or his replacement) will have to re-join he will lose his majority. We need someone with vision and strength to replace him and not Reeves
No, Starmer has to come clean about what his real agenda is. What is he planning for BlackRock? How much of the NHS will under Palantir control? As a Zionist is he happy with the Israeli RW wanting to clear out Gaza completely?
Absolutely terrified of the right wing media and the popularity of Reform. There will be little or no growth without rejoining the SM and CU. They know it, but they still see Brexit as too toxic. No vision. no courage, no integrity. Today's political class in a nutshell!
Irish economists are predicting that a failure of the UK to align with EU trade will see Gilt Yields crash in 2/3 years.
A financial crash that'll cripple public services with enforced austerity
(I believe that'll likely lead to a Tory/Reform coalition Gov).
Yeah, they've definitely got a problem if even people like me are disillusioned with them. If they can't stand up for their own principles with a majority of this size, then what's the point?
The UK simply cannot survive Brexit and remain a first world country comparable to its neighbours. The lowliest EU country will soon surpass the UK in every way, economically, socially and culturally, as well as environmentally and educationally.
The mans a stooge and needs replacing as leader of the labour party. He sold out for funding when the unions withheld funds. Seems Murdoch got what he paid for. He's definitely right of centre.
@greenparty.org.uk
Until further notice gets my vote.
If he's not careful Badenoch or Farage could pull the rug from under him, arguing that, the trading barriers the UK inow has due to Johnson's Brexit could be largely removed by negotiating an EFTA type arrangement à la Norway, Iceland or Switzerland. Farage, Hannan were arguing for this pre Brexit!
He won’t even discuss rejoining any aspect of the EU. He has put his back behind SEZs with tax and employment regulation concessions for private enterprise. The EU would consider this unfair trading and applying to rejoin the SM would fail. This is a deception supported by the Tories and the MSM
That is exactly it. Starmer's Labour is not a left or even centre left Party. Today, he's likening himself to Thatcher. She sold our infrastructure off to the highest bidder, and Starmer's doing that with SEZ. The goodies being dished out are for 25 years. That's why he's saying no EU in my lifetime
He’s not just painted himself into the corner, he’s nailed himself into it. A change of policy on something so fundamental should at least trigger a leadership vote.
Too many old guard labour members hate the EU - they're just as much to blame for Brexit as the Tories. Vote Leave lied. No-one is calling out the lies. They're just trying to muddle on through. And it isn't working
Starmer’s slow walking Trump’s agenda: pro-oligarch. Rejoining would provide institutional checks & balances. “This is not a Tory Brexit. This is Labour Brexit.” Every discussion with a Labour politician should frame it in terms of “your Brexit”. The Party’s actions are its endorsement of Brexit.
We live in a world where humanity’s mental agility has peaked and is now sliding into a morass of abject stupidity, and no more evident than demonstrated by the behaviour of our so called leaders.
Can you just get someone to take him to one side? Just a quiet word. Maybe tell him to check the polls. Maybe mention he should stop trying to out-Reform Reform.
Nobody thinks we can just join again, it would just be tedious to preface any comment about rejoining with a whole spiel to that effect. So, yeah, let's start the process now.
He’s not going to pivot during this parliament. He knows it will rally the Brexit right. He’ll go for a customs union in another name and get business on his side
if for no other reason than the simple economics ,surely that is the function of a government to put the country first , there is a saying for starmer a tree that does not bend with wind falls over
#Brixit problem broken down.
① We had frictionless trade, now we have trade with friction
② Friction = Inefficiency
③ Inefficiency = Increased prices
④ Increased prices cause lost trade.
Ok Mike. Tell us how the rejoin process works, politically and practically? What are the obstacles? How will they be overcome? What is the timescale? If you can’t answer these questions, it’s just wishful thinking
It’s a race to who says it first. The first major party to say at first, wins the next election, imho!
The tories are a bit snookered, they still have too much vermin in the party to be able to say it without losing a fair share to reform but, I still stand by the above statement .
Starmer is not fit for purpose he need to be replaced.
Remember he said no Re-join in his lifetime no SM/CU.
Below in todays Guardian. This is where the UK is.
This man is an expert sitter on the fence and won’t make any decisions on rejoicing for fear of what the FR will say. To hell with Farage tice and their ilks get us back in quickly to fight off trump and muck. There’s strength in unity.
Polls, Labour Party members, Labour MPs, Lib Dems, Greens all in favour of rejoining the EU. What is Starmer afraid of? The rump of the Tory party? Reform? Do the maths. It makes no sense politically or economically to continue with BREXIT. Get it undone!
It's purely down to corporate money. We won't own the land our houses are built on within these SEZ/Freeports. No laws, no protections, no say. It's not just a Tory plan. Labour politicians have been in it up to their necks. They're all selling us out
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This interview says it all, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXioPipgYCc&t=283s @teamlabouruk.bsky.social People wanted you in power for the love of God stop messing about and stop pushing people away for no reason.
instantly show a real intention to grow our economy would be for the Government to indicate that it’s starting negotiations to rejoin the E.U. Everything else is like moving the chairs around on the Titanic.
With the next two biggest parties in the country both majorly anti EU
That's your advice?
What could possibly go wrong 🤔
Do you vote Labour Tim?
We knew this before the 2016 referendum.
The opt outs are gone forever.
The choice available is to engage and work with the rest of europe together with the rest of the countries or not.
For him direction has been set by others and he implements well.
And that is proving very dangerous for us
Starmer: “Trump was very complimentary, we can work with with him.”
Trump: “Starmer’s a real sucker. We can walk all over him.”
This govt is lying about growth, watching our SMEs fail, refusing to implement the TCA, deporting EU citizens, invoking austerity & refusing safer routes.
He needs to be replaced.
Actually it started over four years ago when he started with that 'make Brexit work' rubbish. I said it then. I still say it now.
The UK can carry on with lowering living standards for decades.
This government isn't going to change much because they don't like european values and are based on Blue Labour ideology.
Labour could try with someone else but that's the only option.
https://archive.ph/GQF7u
u seen this? grim reading & confirmation of Blue Lab thinking
That is a grim article and raises issues at the @coe.int for this government's asylum policy and borders bill.
This Labour government is acting like Reform.
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A decade ago, the UK pop was 70m when 17m voted Leave,
meaning a huge 53m MAJORITY didn't vote for the #UK economy to be crippled by a #SlowCarCrash #BrexitDisaster!
He is not the politician we are looking for.
A financial crash that'll cripple public services with enforced austerity
(I believe that'll likely lead to a Tory/Reform coalition Gov).
People find it hard to admit they've been conned.
@greenparty.org.uk
Until further notice gets my vote.
There is no Labour Party anymore
It was a criminally procured result to destabilise the West and it's worked!
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700005
It will be many years before the EU would even consider it, and even then, they will want the majority to have wanted to join for years.
Then lost trade, the expense of businesses to re-write their processes, paperwork, extra staff, red tape and lost revenue ?
Nice of Johnson, Farage and all the others to withhold vital facts and figures before the vote eh
* personal opinion of course
Here's all the old paperwork, just resign it...job done 😲
① We had frictionless trade, now we have trade with friction
② Friction = Inefficiency
③ Inefficiency = Increased prices
④ Increased prices cause lost trade.
Not while this is going on
The tories are a bit snookered, they still have too much vermin in the party to be able to say it without losing a fair share to reform but, I still stand by the above statement .
All terrified of Farage and reform
At this rate the Farage will take his chance and go for rejoin
Remember he said no Re-join in his lifetime no SM/CU.
Below in todays Guardian. This is where the UK is.
No.
Would Starmer/Labour saying "we'd like to rejoin" in any way change this position?
No.
For rejoin to be feasible in the near term, you need to convince the hard right.
We just need to stop acting like those worst people, and think that what *we* want is all that matters, regardless of what the EU will offer.
The EU would be insane to start negotiations when the only plausible alternative government is implacably opposed to rejoin.
Which is why it's not.
Yes, of course.
Should it be more explicit about trying to re-negotiate to remove as many barriers as being out allows?
Yes.
Should it be building a national consensus that a closer relationship is needed?
Yes.
Asking for rejoin now would therefore be both pointless and idiotic.