This is why due process matters. If the government says someone is a dangerous gang member, we just can't take their word for it. - ThreadSky

kevinmkruse.bsky.social • 3 days ago

This is why due process matters.

If the government says someone is a dangerous gang member, we just can't take their word for it.

Reposted from Amanda Katz

Based on this fast and excellent WaPo reporting, these four guys are not gang members, just Venezuelan dads who came to the US to work. They’re now being paraded in shackles in El Salvador www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/...

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charlie2daisy.bsky.social•3 days ago

Well the Venezuelans in South Florida told anyone who would listen that they were the “good” immigrants and Trump wouldn’t deport them. Oh well.

phasmatic.bsky.social•3 days ago

Hohman tells the ice guys to quick get him three planeloads of Venezuelan dudes with tattoos, the president wants a constitutional crisis.

vir-innominatum.bsky.social•3 days ago

Holman? More like Assholeman.

bjmcgee.bsky.social•3 days ago

I think we can move on to deeper thoughts. This statement is a little behind the timeline. Thoughts like this are more twitter speed.

charlesincharge59.bsky.social•3 days ago

ICE is converting itself into a 'death squad,' right before our eyes.

aprag.bsky.social•3 days ago

Ya que Trump esta haciendo lo que le da la gana, incluyendo irrespetando el debido proceso de estos Venezolanos entonces queda presionar a Nayib Bukele quien es tan responsable como Trump en todo esto.

jiminy123.bsky.social•3 days ago

Estoy de acuerdo

brkirsch.bsky.social•3 days ago

Are we missing the forest for the trees? Everyone focuses on the 'removal', but this is really about the de facto sentencing and resulting imprisonment. This was done without due process AND in a way to preclude future legal relief. This violates our most basic concept of the rule of law.

gunderson4.bsky.social•3 days ago

I think the vast majority of Americans would be against this but they will never know. Bluesky is great (so far) but we are talking to ourselves. No headway has been made in the information war.

ogg921.bsky.social•3 days ago

"they will never know"
There are absolutely Americans who refuse to pay the slightest bit of attention to news & current events. I'm not sure how to slip information into their obliviousness, short of getting sports announcers or reality show participants to sneak it into their scripts.

vmcf.bsky.social•3 days ago

I think you are wrong. Bluesky is growing every day and the people coming here are the people who want to escape twitter hell and learn/discuss/share. This is actually a great forum and tool to spread info, better than what we had on Twitter.

gunderson4.bsky.social•2 days ago

Sincerely hope you’re right

pattie64.bsky.social•3 days ago

Idiots are cheering this on because they don't think it will ever impact them. This sets such a dangerous precedent.

dannyashby.bsky.social•3 days ago

Nazis just doing Nazi shit.

amelianywhere.bsky.social•3 days ago

Well, Venezuelans are receiving what they supported.

polittlecat.bsky.social•3 days ago

especially this Republican controlled government.

bestill62.bsky.social•3 days ago

norbizness.bsky.social•3 days ago

And of course they already admitted in open court that we can't take their word for it. But who apart from hardened lifelong criminals or Merchant Marines has a tattoo?

zombierotten.bsky.social•3 days ago

Secretary of Defense.

norbizness.bsky.social•3 days ago

Yes, but that was all due to a time when he was particularly drunk and impressionable and watching Sons of Anarchy DVDs non-stop.

norbizness.bsky.social•3 days ago

The government is now going with ""[T]he lack of specific information about each individual actually highlights the risk they pose." Maybe they'll conclude the trifecta of shitty lawyering with "Wouldn't you want to kill baby Hitler in the crib?"

shufflebear.bsky.social•3 days ago

🤬🤬🤬

2findout.bsky.social•2 days ago

... I was unaware being in a gang was in itself illegal.

Seems like something we are only going after one specific group for.

jlopez10111.bsky.social•3 days ago

Not to mention with no trial, there can be no sentence. These people are going to be in this prison indefinitely, which might as well be that they’ve been sentenced to life with no chance at parole.

noahdahl.bsky.social•3 days ago

Ironically (in the most unfunny way possible), these men fled a nation in collapse, only to find themselves in a nother nation entering collapse.

jeffpropulsion.bsky.social•3 days ago

I wrote a well regarded book on gangs in my country close to 20 years ago. I discovered while doing it that our federal police officers in Canada, the famous "Mounties," lump anyone who even talks to gang members -- such as university professors -- as "gang associates." And that's just Canada.

wyseone.bsky.social•3 days ago

We can't trust anything the Trump administration says.

jeffmurray1155.bsky.social•3 days ago

They shaved their heads. I just can’t even fathom. It’s barbaric.

ghoststryder.bsky.social•3 days ago

If there are not in the end PUNITIVE damages awarded severe enough to cause smaller cooperating departments to refuse to collude with ICE this type of reckless racism and negligent injustice will continue.

ian.spennys.world•3 days ago

In so many words they've said "Just because we have no evidence they are gang members doesn't mean they aren't."

Somewhat different to "Even though I was caught hiding top secret documents, doesn't mean I'm guilty of anything."

mikey-kay.bsky.social•3 days ago

Given Trump’s history of telling porkie pies. We shouldn’t be taking his word for anything. Even it’s who has the remote control.

biknmusicmama.bsky.social•3 days ago

They are getting ready to send a 17 year old kid from Maine to El Salvador.

jiminy123.bsky.social•3 days ago

💔

elshane-o.bsky.social•3 days ago

Exhibit A of why we have due process.

justtrying.bsky.social•3 days ago

Wait until they target "antifa" with similar emergency powers. The ultimate left wing phantom menace, everywhere but nowhere. Anyone, anywhere could be gulaged. This platform, self-selected by opposition minded citizens, will be a hunting ground. Due process is EVERYTHING. It must not fall.

undeadben.bsky.social•3 days ago

especially not THIS government. 10 years and people still believing his bullshit is just.. i mean "fool me twice shame on me" is dumb enough, but what comes after 9000 times?

se7en-driver.bsky.social•3 days ago

The invocation of "dangerous gang members/terrorists" to justify ICEs treatment of random people is incredibly ironic.

Dehumanizing treatment, separation from social contacts, isolation, deprivation of rights, etc. are the absolute surest way to radicalize men who didn't start out dangerous.