Musk: "America PAC will be giving away $1M to someone in swing states who signed our petition" Musk's lawyer: "There is no prize to be won, instead recipients must fulfill contractual obligations to serve as a spokesperson for the PAC" - ThreadSky

maxkennerly.bsky.social • 222 days ago

Musk: "America PAC will be giving away $1M to someone in swing states who signed our petition"

Musk's lawyer: "There is no prize to be won, instead recipients must fulfill contractual obligations to serve as a spokesperson for the PAC"

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coloneloolong.bsky.social•222 days ago

This civil case is going to become a criminal case, isn’t it?

jacobrussell.space•222 days ago

But doesn't calling it random when it's really not also make it an illegal lottery or prize? Didn't game shows go through that in the 70's?

dahliaiterations.com•222 days ago

Not a musk fan, not ok with this, etc etc but... when did he EVER say the selection was random? He said "someone in a swing state who signed the petition," and he's counting on people to *intuit* and *assume* this is a random giveaway.

kauffy.us•222 days ago

If I had to put money on it, he probably did say that it was a random drawing at some point, because he's not calculating, he's a stupid idiot. When is he ever shied away from saying something stupid that would get him in trouble? I mean, does he actually do anything else? Ever?

maxkennerly.bsky.social•222 days ago

Musk said "randomly" at the event announcing it. Video still up on his PAC's page.

https://x.com/america/status/1847851986495881434

dammitt.bsky.social•222 days ago

I will take your word for it. I cannot listen to the voice of him or the former guy.

dahliaiterations.com•222 days ago

lol - oh, wow, yeah, I retract it. Prison 1000 years no trial.

kauffy.us•222 days ago

Yeah. If you've never once experienced a consequence, you do stuff like that.

shelleyelwood.bsky.social•222 days ago

IANAL but I feel like telling the court that your illegal lottery was in fact rigged is not helping

unhipcat.bsky.social•222 days ago

“Don’t be stupid. You’re not getting any money. Now get to work.”

arkenor.bsky.social•222 days ago

I mean, this sounds like it probably breaks hiring laws in some places. Employment laws being Elon's favourite for breaking.

arkenor.bsky.social•222 days ago

Doesn't that mean they were breaking even more laws?

fairdinkum.bsky.social•222 days ago

It is still illegal...deport Musk!

spike29.bsky.social•222 days ago

So then it’s fraud.

Even better!

dewarz.bsky.social•222 days ago

Ok, so not a lottery. “Elon told me it was.” Ok, so what are the damages? The time spent registering to vote? The opportunity cost of not denouncing the Constitution? Big payouts incoming…

davidnelsonnm.bsky.social•222 days ago

Hard to think of someone more determined to destroy their reputation than this clown. Mike Lindell better get worried cause Elon is coming for his crown!

opensecretalien.bsky.social•222 days ago

awkwardleftycj.bsky.social•222 days ago

His lawyers know tweets are public, right?

gu3.st•222 days ago

Even more so now with the block changes.

jig.bsky.social•222 days ago

Major media article title that should already be out there:

MUSK LIED ABOUT $1M AWARD

jig.bsky.social•222 days ago

so, don't throw me in jail for electioneering, throw me in jail (hyperbole) for false advertising?

i say hyperbole, but there can be some serious repurcussions for a fake lottery-like setup. frankly, it also goes to intent as to the electioneering charges.

drneocortex.bsky.social•222 days ago

"No, you're honor, it wasn't an illegal lottery. It was just fraud."

Heck of a defense there.

eyeharthomonyms.bsky.social•222 days ago

"Actually, our crime was FRAUD you dummies! Chessmate!"

isobelcarr.com•222 days ago

I he hiring from the Trump lawyer pool now?

eyeharthomonyms.bsky.social•222 days ago

Yes, for many of the same reasons actually. He's the worst kind of client and no lawyer who isn't ideologically brain wormed would tolerate him or the potential reputational risk that comes with representing him.

raymanwithaplan.bsky.social•222 days ago

retr2327.bsky.social•222 days ago

If I were trying to come up with a legal defense strategy that would end by making Musk's sworn testimony on the stand more essential, I'm not sure I could do better . . . .

maxkennerly.bsky.social•222 days ago

Two parts that make this great:

1) Musk himself said "randomly" when he announced it. But somehow "random" is not "by chance"? https://x.com/america/status/1847851986495881434

2) Okay, well anyway Musk's own post uses the word "chance." https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1848147035607998575

mrquindazzi.bsky.social•222 days ago

I think Musk's argument is really, "I'm a billionaire and you can't touch me no matter what. any fine will be insignificant, and I will tie up any criminal charges in court for a decade."

unhipcat.bsky.social•222 days ago

they speak, they lie

acwerfelmann.bsky.social•222 days ago

At some point their defense will be that Elon has no idea what he is talking about so you shouldn't listen to him.

scarfface.bsky.social•222 days ago

he is acting like someone who has no expectation to ever face any consequences for his actions.

I hope he is wrong.

royx.bsky.social•222 days ago

"We rigged the random selection so it would reject non-Trumpers" seems to be the synthesis (it's *random* but a bunch of people didn't really have a chance)

which seems like an admission to at least one other crime (your honor, it wasn't an illegal lottery, it was too rigged to be a lottery)

wutzerfayce.bsky.social•222 days ago

Cash him out on his US contracts, strip him of citizenship, and swiftly deport him back to South Africa. He's one of those "immigrants destroying the blood of America" that trump likes to talk about.

kbethany.bsky.social•222 days ago

So I don’t agree with stripping citizenship for being shitty BUT he also worked in the country illegally on a student visa after he dropped out of school so he absolutely deserves to have his citizenship yanked.

cantard.bsky.social•222 days ago

I'm just a humble Texas accountant, but would that be fraud in the inducement to enter into an agreement?

American citizens took time out of their lives to register to vote in exchange for a "random chance" at a thing of value. Not we see there was no chance at all.

paulwartenberg.bsky.social•222 days ago

Just jail them all - Musk, the lawyers, the "winners" - for fraud and be done with them.

timkellogg.me•221 days ago

hmm i signed that petition bc i read all the fine print and there was definitely no clause like that

hellsop.ninehells.com•222 days ago

I'd think it be possible to be promoting an illegal lottery *and* said illegal lottery being a fraud at the same time.

thatac.bsky.social•222 days ago

Max I lack the desire to look but IIRC the whole they will work as our spokesperson thing happened right around the time they found out they were gonna be sued, and I thought it was just a nice attempt to dodge 1 problem & create 5 more.

nilbog3000.bsky.social•222 days ago

“It’s not a lottery. That would be illegal. It’s just a perfectly innocent fraudulent scam”

dwrutledge.bsky.social•222 days ago

So it is fraud then?

wombative.bsky.social•222 days ago

Class Action Lawsuit

alishagrauso.bsky.social•222 days ago

I can't tell if this will get him in more trouble or less trouble.

nilbog3000.bsky.social•222 days ago

It certainly opens him up to more litigation from the participants

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